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Mina_run
joined Apr 16, 2018

While interesting, I don’t think our protagonist is particularly bright given her supposed age. For one it would be REALLY easy to determine which day was chosen. She just needs to keep a journal and mark down a number for each day. Which ever number is kept when the next day comes around is the day that was chosen.

Also, it would be actually pretty easy to prove what’s happening with the help of 1 other person. This person wouldn’t even have to know about her condition. Simply ask them to generate an word file with a ton of randomized words. The next day after the word file is generated she’ll ask to be told a specific number word in the sequence. Whenever a day is chosen she can reiterate all the words she learned from the days that weren’t chosen, proving she has information she couldn’t have.

the first idea is good, i think, but as for the second, how would anyone but her know what the correct strings of words from non-chosen days were in order to check?

The person who generated the list would know. They would generate the list a day before beginning the experiment so that it would remain fixed.

Sans%20titre-1
joined Dec 19, 2020

I really like the effort authors put in the consistency of the timeline. Time travel stuff can get pretty wacky when contradictions appear in the story, but this manga (light-novel) does a perfect job so far

Sans%20titre-1
joined Dec 19, 2020

While interesting, I don’t think our protagonist is particularly bright given her supposed age. For one it would be REALLY easy to determine which day was chosen. She just needs to keep a journal and mark down a number for each day. Which ever number is kept when the next day comes around is the day that was chosen.

Also, it would be actually pretty easy to prove what’s happening with the help of 1 other person. This person wouldn’t even have to know about her condition. Simply ask them to generate an word file with a ton of randomized words. The next day after the word file is generated she’ll ask to be told a specific number word in the sequence. Whenever a day is chosen she can reiterate all the words she learned from the days that weren’t chosen, proving she has information she couldn’t have.

the first idea is good, i think, but as for the second, how would anyone but her know what the correct strings of words from non-chosen days were in order to check?

The person who generated the list would know. They would generate the list a day before beginning the experiment so that it would remain fixed.

But what if every time she does that, the day that is finally selected is the 1st one (i.e. the only day when she has no prior info on the word list)? Then in canonical timeline, the other person would just hear from the MC that she doesn't know the word.

EDIT: Oh you actually meant doing it on 3 different days? Yeah indeed that would work, as long as there is two iterations of the second day. But although convincing, I don't think it's the most persuading proof for the other person lol

last edited at Oct 22, 2022 1:49AM

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joined Aug 19, 2021

I just read the first two chapters (I totally forgot to read when the first one came out) and wow, I am so excited for this series. I have huge expectations.

Purple Library Guy
Kare%20kano%20joker
joined Mar 3, 2013

So the thing about all this is, I could enjoy the story if I could treat it like something along the lines of science fiction--like, what's happening to her is very weird, but it's kind of just a thing that happens. But there's something fundamentally . . . I don't know how to put this. It's internally consistent, but that internal consistency doesn't point to just some kind of supernatural phenomenon, it points to AGENCY. Like, it seems the story is definitely pointing to the notion that some kind of consciousness is involved.

But . . . OK, so suspending disbelief in some weird time loop thing is one thing. Suspending disbelief that some malign, incredibly powerful intelligence has decided to consistently, labour intensively mess with the life of a random toddler for years on end apparently just because . . . I can't do it. It just SCREAMS at me constantly that the story is entirely shaped around the desired effect. I lose connection to the very suffering I'm supposed to be empathizing with.

joined Mar 28, 2022

While interesting, I don’t think our protagonist is particularly bright given her supposed age. For one it would be REALLY easy to determine which day was chosen. She just needs to keep a journal and mark down a number for each day. Which ever number is kept when the next day comes around is the day that was chosen.

Also, it would be actually pretty easy to prove what’s happening with the help of 1 other person. This person wouldn’t even have to know about her condition. Simply ask them to generate an word file with a ton of randomized words. The next day after the word file is generated she’ll ask to be told a specific number word in the sequence. Whenever a day is chosen she can reiterate all the words she learned from the days that weren’t chosen, proving she has information she couldn’t have.

The first one is really nice, or for smt similar she could write a diary at the end of the day. That way she can mark down what she learned in that day, so the next day when she looks back she can figure what she's supposed to know and not know in the canonical timeline.

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joined Jul 14, 2021

this is really cool

Internet_lied
joined Jul 15, 2016

Hmm, if "random" events happen differently in each timeline, then it strongly points towards quantum nondeterminism affecting the macro scale. In particular, it would appear to refute superdeterminism (as well as hidden variables, but those are already covered by Bell inequality). What I am saying is that Ayaka could make a career in theoretical physics if she can just design an experiment that couples the quantum with the macro world.

last edited at Oct 23, 2022 8:35AM

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joined Jun 24, 2021

instantly one of my favorites just from the premise itself

joined Mar 15, 2015

While interesting, I don’t think our protagonist is particularly bright given her supposed age. For one it would be REALLY easy to determine which day was chosen. She just needs to keep a journal and mark down a number for each day. Which ever number is kept when the next day comes around is the day that was chosen.

Also, it would be actually pretty easy to prove what’s happening with the help of 1 other person. This person wouldn’t even have to know about her condition. Simply ask them to generate an word file with a ton of randomized words. The next day after the word file is generated she’ll ask to be told a specific number word in the sequence. Whenever a day is chosen she can reiterate all the words she learned from the days that weren’t chosen, proving she has information she couldn’t have.

the first idea is good, i think, but as for the second, how would anyone but her know what the correct strings of words from non-chosen days were in order to check?

The person who generated the list would know. They would generate the list a day before beginning the experiment so that it would remain fixed.

The first one sounds like a possibly good idea, but as for the second one, I'm curious as to how Ayaka would convince someone to accept her rather odd request without explaining her condition. Considering what happened when she tried explaining it to her mother, and that she doesn't have anyone who trusts her implicitly enough to listen to such a request, I'm not surprised that she gave up on the idea of people believing her. As such, I think judging her as not "particularly bright" based on this oversight is a bit harsh.

Personally, it's a bit of a pet peeve of mine when viewers of fictional media who are able to watch the story dispassionately, with the benefit of time to digest what they've seen and knowledge of the consequences of characters' choices, second-guess decisions made by characters in the story, who may not know as much as the viewers do and/or may have emotional baggage that affects their decisions. It's personally more than a little odd that viewers who take all that effort to think of the things a character should have done seldom take the time or effort to see things from the character's perspective.

Incidentally, I have to wonder if fiction like Groundhog Day exists in this series' universe. For all Ayaka knows, not only are there no other people like her, but no one has even imagined the concept of a person who relives each day multiple times.

Sorry if this sounds like a rant; as I said, this is a pet peeve of mine.

Khancrop
joined Feb 18, 2013

Even without lesbians, this is an extremely interesting premise! It's also rare that a story can properly convey the horror of something existential like this.

(Though my immediate lifehack thought is to keep a calendar book and write the letter of the day first thing in the morning so when the next day finally comes you can look back at the previous one and know instantly which worldline you're on...)

Hmm, if "random" events happen differently in each timeline, then it strongly points towards quantum nondeterminism affecting the macro scale. In particular, it would appear to refute superdeterminism (as well as hidden variables, but those are already covered by Bell inequality). What I am saying is that Ayaka could make a career in theoretical physics if she can just design an experiment that couples the quantum with the macro world.

Funnily enough, I just saw this the other day:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-universe-is-not-locally-real-and-the-physics-nobel-prize-winners-proved-it/

Also, https://www.sciencealert.com/quantum-entanglement-has-now-been-directly-observed-at-the-macroscopic-scale

last edited at Oct 27, 2022 12:10PM

ColdGoldLazarus
Cglishmini
joined Apr 12, 2018

Remembered and reread this, and I really hope we get more of it soon.

So the thing about all this is, I could enjoy the story if I could treat it like something along the lines of science fiction--like, what's happening to her is very weird, but it's kind of just a thing that happens. But there's something fundamentally . . . I don't know how to put this. It's internally consistent, but that internal consistency doesn't point to just some kind of supernatural phenomenon, it points to AGENCY. Like, it seems the story is definitely pointing to the notion that some kind of consciousness is involved.

But . . . OK, so suspending disbelief in some weird time loop thing is one thing. Suspending disbelief that some malign, incredibly powerful intelligence has decided to consistently, labour intensively mess with the life of a random toddler for years on end apparently just because . . . I can't do it. It just SCREAMS at me constantly that the story is entirely shaped around the desired effect. I lose connection to the very suffering I'm supposed to be empathizing with.

I'm not picking up the vibe that like, there is necessarily consciousness involved? Like, that's how she put it, but it came across to me as theorizing. Also, where did it say that it was like, picking the worst days for her specifically? Like, the general situation for her, of experiencing all of these versions of the same day and remembering them all, is definitely really bad on her, but like, the specific version that gets chosen seems to be random. Just that in the case of the cat, the last day was the one that went through, whereas the whole thing with the parents basically abandoning her probably repeated through the same events a few times, since this was like, a multi-day plan they had, not a one-off random decision constrained to a specific day.

last edited at May 22, 2023 7:01AM

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joined Mar 15, 2024

Why is this not updating? I saw it's still updating in MangaDex and there's no sign of this getting licensed here?

joined May 3, 2014

Why is this not updating? I saw it's still updating in MangaDex and there's no sign of this getting licensed here?

yeah, the manga is already at chapter 15 on mangadex by the same TL, but hasn’t been updated for 7 months there either.

1pixel
joined Dec 3, 2010

The Groundhog day yuri version!
Aizawa san keeps saying that she could repeat days and she doesn't know which day it will be selected before the 'next' day comes.
I thought what she was given to her is really cool, because then she could repeat studying, or getting the correct/perfect tests (she's the actual ling ling 40 hrs!), or repeating a skill until she's perfectly honed (because she has excess time given with the same day repeated beefore it was chosen)
-- not before long, my thought of this has finally dissolved.
I was right.
But I was sadden by the fact that I only get to know this context through classmates spreading lies and rumours about her.

I hope comphet is not real
I hope someone could say to her "it's okay to love her the way you want it to be"

last edited at Apr 9, 2025 11:51PM

joined Oct 12, 2017

Oh thank goodness! I’ve been losing my mind about this one! I need to know how this ends! T-T

Khancrop
joined Feb 18, 2013

omg, I am inordinately pleased to see this come back!

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joined Oct 14, 2014

Why are people getting so bothered by the metaphysics of an autism allegory

It also gives BPD allegory lol

last edited at Apr 9, 2025 10:34PM

Tag%20rock%20snake
joined Aug 16, 2014

Well the ending to that chapter was pretty concerning, did someone get hit by the truck? Was Aizawa about to be hit only to teleport to the other side of the barriers? The panelling makes things seem a little unclear, though I'm sure all will be revealed next chapter.

chaosOrchestrator
joined Jul 10, 2015

You know, Aya should really start rwuting down the day's letter before bed each night, so that she can know what day was chosen right away.

Also, I wonder what happens if she stays awake all night. does she still get sent back?

Yuibless
joined Jan 30, 2017

Thank you for picking up the translation, I love this story to bits.

Now, if only the light novel also updated more frequently. I'm dying to know what's next.

Also, I wonder what happens if she stays awake all night. does she still get sent back?

She literally can't. She falls asleep at 10pm no matter what.

Tag%20rock%20snake
joined Aug 16, 2014

I know Michiru's death was supposed to be shocking, but the rube goldberg style final destination death I just found funny

Dynastyscans
joined May 24, 2022

the abusive and manipulative pedophile is the antagonist? too rare a sight, but a welcome one.

and yeah the way michiru was killed was a little too over the top... coulda just had her get hit by a car in a normal way.

joined Aug 13, 2023

the abusive and manipulative pedophile is the antagonist? too rare a sight, but a welcome one.

and yeah the way michiru was killed was a little too over the top... coulda just had her get hit by a car in a normal way.

I figured the contrived-to-the-point-of-fishy nature of it was part of the point. I'm looking forward to finding out how much of an Accident it really was.

Gay%20panic
joined Sep 11, 2020

I did not understand a single thing about that explanation of Yuuka's powers or how Ayaka's powers work.

That part with the kiss did make me feel some kinda way though. I can't wait to find out Michiru is also evil and antagonistic in some way :) That'll shatter my poor brain.

This series is very interesting. I guess we're all caught up now, though?

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