Always thought the sunlight destroys them was a bad idea. Seems too limiting and awkward from a writing perspective. Just my take.

That's kinda the point of why writers have it. If vampires are the antagonists, it's just more scary for them to be around at night, and it gives them a reasonable weakness (otherwise, why the heck wouldn't they rule earth already...).

If they are the protagonists, its part of the loss of humanity and the issues they have to deal with. A source of danger and regret and longing and whatnot. Tends to be some of the better stuff about the whole vamp business ^^

She should just marry the vampire, live together for 60+ years and then on her death bed kill each other. Problem solved.

I was just coming here to say this.
Though I guess there's no guarantee what's-her-name would be able to kill vampire girl before dying herself. A sudden tragic encounter with truck-kun or something along those lines.

I wonder how the author plans to end this manga.

...my money is on it getting axed before the ending, but maybe that's a bit too cynical.

Always thought the sunlight destroys them was a bad idea. Seems too limiting and awkward from a writing perspective. Just my take.

That's kinda the point of why writers have it. If vampires are the antagonists, it's just more scary for them to be around at night, and it gives them a reasonable weakness (otherwise, why the heck wouldn't they rule earth already...).

If they are the protagonists, its part of the loss of humanity and the issues they have to deal with. A source of danger and regret and longing and whatnot. Tends to be some of the better stuff about the whole vamp business ^^

My favorite vampire weakness is when they're compelled to count things. You throw a bunch of rice on the ground and they have to stop chasing you to count them. It's kind of cute, in a way.

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Im not here to argue or anything and you may have a point here, but i feel if you are going to call someone a vampire i think you should atleast follow some of the guide-lines.
Like the only substane a vampire can consume is blood and the sun should mean nothing more than a slow painfull death.

And yes those pancakes looks delicius~

Not to turn this into a whole thing, but Carmilla(one of the foundational vamps) didn't have either of those weaknesses IIRC. She was more about occasionally sleeping in a grave and being compelled to slowly drain the girls she was romancing..
If only she survived long enough to see a world with blood transfusions and decent psychiatrists.

Anyway, my point is that there are really only two things required to make a vampire, some kind of blood requirement and living forever. Everything else is pretty much optional, though some things are rarer than others(like turning into a big black cat). I've read plenty of stories and I don't think I've ever encountered unrelated stories with identical vampires, so with all that variety and almost no consistency there's no real point in getting invested in the rules.

EDIT: Also a bit more on topic; that final page is exactly the kind of dumb-ass stuff I loved about Prism. So I guess I'm glad Shou is doing a series again, thank you translators.

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This shows a lot of potential, in my eyes. I truly hope it won't get left like Prism...

why would you compare 80-90 years and hundreds of years to begin with? really, why? ofc after saying goodbye to a lot of people your thinking change.

Because the argument was about "loss". Some of them had lost pretty everyone in their family and it didn't particularly make them suicidal (or at least not that they showed it). Additional decades or centuries wouldn't change much about that as everyone is already gone anyway.

Boredom after centuries might be different (yet how could you find the last century of rapid technological advancement boring?!) but I don't really see the argument over losing people close to you. We all live with that. Got parents, grandparents? Siblings? Friends? Well, they are all going to die, unless you die first. It won't make you suicidal, I can practically guarantee it.

So I really don't see why anyone automatically assumes that immortality is some sort of curse. I'd take it in a heartbeat. ^^

I'm afraid I'll get emotional reading this real soon.

She should just marry the vampire, live together for 60+ years and then on her death bed kill each other. Problem solved.

I was just coming here to say this.
Though I guess there's no guarantee what's-her-name would be able to kill vampire girl before dying herself. A sudden tragic encounter with truck-kun or something along those lines.

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That was my thought too. I'm not sure it's a good solution, but it definitely is one.

In the case of our vampire here who have lived for hundreds years and lost important people to her, the death of the grandma was maybe too much to take and also want to die.

thats how I see it, i don't know about others.

The grandmother sealed the sword, so our vampire was asking her to kill her too.

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She using mind control on everyone besides Ichika is getting on my nerves, so she "doesn't feel like forcing her" sure, hopefully there is an actual reason later, because there is no excuse to avoid hypnotizing a cute girl when the chance is there.

Man, I don't care how tired she is of living.

She isn't dying as long as there are lesbians who love her!

Because the argument was about "loss". Some of them had lost pretty everyone in their family and it didn't particularly make them suicidal (or at least not that they showed it). Additional decades or centuries wouldn't change much about that as everyone is already gone anyway.

It is not just "loss". It is repeated loss. And it is about the inevitability of loss. Like, most people know they will lose a lot by the time they got to their 90s. But no one think they will lose everything, inevitably. When they look at children, they don't need to think about how they will outlive them. When they look at a new building, they don't need to think about seeing it crumbing away from old age. That is the argument of "loss" for an immortal. Everything is ephemeral, nothing last as long as them and, thus, everything is fleeting.

Like, I am not sure if I agree this is an inevitable feeling for an immortal being. But it surely it is not comparable to the lifespan of a real person.

I hope I never end up as unimaginative as Airi. This world is full beyond measure of things to learn and experiences to have. The rich tapestry of human endeavour isn't the sort of thing you can fully explore in a mere few millennia. What she truly wants - needs, really - is someone to share it with.

If this doesn't end with immortal lesbians frolicking on the moon, I will be quite put out.

Because the argument was about "loss". Some of them had lost pretty everyone in their family and it didn't particularly make them suicidal (or at least not that they showed it). Additional decades or centuries wouldn't change much about that as everyone is already gone anyway.

It is not just "loss". It is repeated loss. And it is about the inevitability of loss. Like, most people know they will lose a lot by the time they got to their 90s. But no one think they will lose everything, inevitably. When they look at children, they don't need to think about how they will outlive them. When they look at a new building, they don't need to think about seeing it crumbing away from old age. That is the argument of "loss" for an immortal. Everything is ephemeral, nothing last as long as them and, thus, everything is fleeting.

Like, I am not sure if I agree this is an inevitable feeling for an immortal being. But it surely it is not comparable to the lifespan of a real person.

This ^ when you lose someone, they take piece of you with them. If you live forever and people keep taking pieces, you end up losing yourself.
I don't think you should underestimate how it feels to slowly lose everyone around you, over and over again. Every time you feel like you're settling in, people get taken away by death. Every single time. And you're the only one who sticks around.
Isn't a big part of what makes life and experiences so beautiful the fact that it's finite?
Idk, I think a lot of people underestimate what it would do to you mentally.

Also, while most old people don't really actively think about killing themselves because of loss, a lot of them are accepting and welcoming of death. They're ready to go, there's just no rush for them.
You hear stories from time to time of elderly couples dying days or hours apart from each other. It's not suicide in its explicit sense, but it is letting go of life in a subtle way.

Additional centuries wouldn't change that? Oh I think it would, very much so. Humans can already barely handle losing one lifetime of friends and family. But what about multiple lifetimes? It's not like you just stop making friends all of a sudden.

You might argue that humans are extremely adaptable and you can get used to it... But isn't that part of your humanity being taken away? Isn't that the first step into insanity?

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The sense of loss from being immortal isn't just restricted to all the personal loss of watching everyone you have or will know wither and die before you. It's the fact that the entire world you were born into and which is a part of you has moved on. You watch as the cultures, societies and civilizations you once fit into all slip away into the mists of time. You become a living anachronism.

Also, those arguing that the elderly aren't really effected by watching everyone around them die before them are likely very young and don't really know that many old people. There is a reason that the elderly have the highest suicide rate of any demographic. It's the angsty teens that get all the press, but statistically it's old people who put and end to themselves most often.

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In a way, this story reminds me of the anime Rin: Daughters of Mnemosyne (yes, with lesbians). It has a similar concept, surrounding how immortality could be a blessing or a curse to those who use it. Some people KNOW but don't UNDERSTAND the pain, the stress, and the risks of being an ever-last. It's true that you get to live out years into the future you would probably never get to see if you were a mortal but that comes with a cost in not joining loved ones in the afterlife. Everything except death will leave you in your existence.

The scenario would be: would I take the opportunity to be immortal and become a vampire? Probably so probably not. That's completely up to debate to that person with their standards and morals

I hope I never end up as unimaginative as Airi. This world is full beyond measure of things to learn and experiences to have. The rich tapestry of human endeavour isn't the sort of thing you can fully explore in a mere few millennia. What she truly wants - needs, really - is someone to share it with.

But everyone she wants to share it with dies

So I really don't see why anyone automatically assumes that immortality is some sort of curse. I'd take it in a heartbeat. ^^

Well, we only lose 5-10 people we love in our entire lives, can't really compare to someone that repeatedly lose people they love.

And damn boy, you're a brave one. After having been dealing with incompetent POS for 2 years, i can't see myself wanting to deal with them for eternity. That's why immortality is definitely a curse to me.

And so begins the war of love and assisted suicide. A tale for the ages!

Immortality is something humans simply can't deal with. In this story vampires are too human to do it either. We get too attached, are always in need of the familiar. To live with immortality means to abandon all close connections and become a hermit in the masses.
Humans are not made to take too much loss. And when you learn to take loss in stride, you lose yourself. After all meaning comes from caring about things, so once you stop caring, you stop living. You only function.

One aspect that always disturbs me about immortality too is that brains can only save so much information. Which means eventually you are bound to forget. That could be a blessing to some, but the idea of losing all your past over and over is so... depressing. You forget people you cared about, great events that shaped you... and eventually you aren't the same person you started out as. Not a single shred will be left.

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edit: Ah, forget about it. It's not like any of this changes my mind and it'll just keep derailing the thread ^^

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he could give up on drawing pedophile comics and drawing only yuri

NexiKuro posted:

Not to turn this into a whole thing, but Carmilla(one of the foundational vamps) didn't have either of those weaknesses IIRC. She was more about occasionally sleeping in a grave and being compelled to slowly drain the girls she was romancing..

From my understanding it was less sleeping in graves than it was her corpse being in her grave and what everyone saw was something more akin to astral projection. (Though not exactly the same since her vampire form was still a more or less physical form.) That's why when she transformed into that thing that got into what's her name's room she could get through the locked door with ease. Her physical form as a vampire isn't her actual body so it's far more immaterial than it normally would be.

Red posted:

he could give up on drawing pedophile comics and drawing only yuri

2021: Shou announces Loli yuri werewolves series

I don't how to feel about this story! It's really cute but also sad.
Ah Shou, stop it!

he could give up on drawing pedophile comics and drawing only yuri

Agree but I don't blame his porn but yeah, just Yuri would be awesome from him.

Is that really an immortality thing? I barely remember what I did last week, never mind a year ago. But maybe that's just me...

Well, you do remember the big things though, don't you? Stuff that really affected you. You remember your family and will still remember your parents even after they pass away.
Now imagine losing all that on the large scale... over and over and over again. 200 years in you won't even remember your parents' names anymore, let alone what their voices sounded like. With time even looking at their photographs is no different than looking at strangers. It's like alzheimers, but while you are at full mental capacity...

Terrifying.

Or maybe it's just me that is uncomfortable with not being able to remember what I should. shrugs

Yes you forget but you can suddenly remember with a trigger but that's because the information is stored and ordered by priority of usage in the brain... But that storage has a limit .

Doctor_Hoot posted:

I won't get into the specifics, but I already forget the BIg Important Things unless I refresh those memories somehow (photos, videos etc.). And I'm just a millenial...

Also there's something to be said about experiencing things as if they were new.

Serenata posted:

Yes you forget but you can suddenly remember with a trigger but that's because the information is stored and ordered by priority of usage in the brain... But that storage has a limit .

That reminds me, in Doctor Who, the immortal character Ashildr gradually loses her memories from earlier in her lifetime because her human brain was incapable of storing millennia's worth of experiences.

Pyoro posted:
So I really don't see why anyone automatically assumes that immortality is some sort of curse. I'd take it in a heartbeat. ^^

Well yeah, usually being able to avoid death would be a good thing (don't have to worry about car crashes, plane crashes, etc.), but I'd be really hesitant to take on something like that if you couldn't undo the immortality. The permanence of no longer having that option is kind of scary, in a way. Exhibit 1: The Immortal Who Saw the Death of the Universe.

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