Yo did she kissed her? Did she?!!

This is cute and all but I'd love to see another reversal episode

Perhaps starting a thread for 'Kinniku Tarou' would be more appropriate instead?

There literally already is one that's automatically created when a manga is posted.

In any case, this has developed from what was originally a side comment about his work into a larger "morality of loli" argument that really doesn't belong here.

Does anyone else feel slightly triggered with the abusive situations in this? I mean, it's ok if MC-chan is a masochist (and it does look that way after this chapter), but otherwise tall-girl-chan's behavior is a huge red flag for abusive jerk. Run, little MC-chan!!

Does anyone else feel slightly triggered with the abusive situations in this? I mean, it's ok if MC-chan is a masochist (and it does look that way after this chapter), but otherwise tall-girl-chan's behavior is a huge red flag for abusive jerk. Run, little MC-chan!!

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N-no, don't think anyone's thought about that yet.

Does anyone else feel slightly triggered with the abusive situations in this? I mean, it's ok if MC-chan is a masochist (and it does look that way after this chapter), but otherwise tall-girl-chan's behavior is a huge red flag for abusive jerk. Run, little MC-chan!!

looks at the last few pages
N-no, don't think anyone's thought about that yet.

Totally original observation do not steal.

sorry if i contributed to the conversation getting a bit out of hand. i didn't intend to add fuel to any serious/off-topic debates or bait anybody.

this kind of thing seems to happen in a lot of threads. people are just passionate about their gay girl stories and all have different opinions....

personally, i want yuri to move in a positive direction and to help with acceptance/understanding, but i know not everyone wants that or feels like it's necessary. if i'm chiming in, it's usually because i am worried about something being harmful to young gay people. especially in japan where gay marriage isn't legal, and they have a long way to go to normalize healthy same sex relationships.

its not always easy to include a positive or healthy message without it feeling shoehorned in. like if in the next chapter hino and koguma were discussing safe words/consent it would feel out of place. i don't want every manga to be focused on teaching healthy relationship practices either. i just like seeing small things included here and there.

anyway. sorry. this comic is cute as hell and i love it.

Perhaps starting a thread for 'Kinniku Tarou' would be more appropriate instead?

There literally already is one that's automatically created when a manga is posted.

In any case, this has developed from what was originally a side comment about his work into a larger "morality of loli" argument that really doesn't belong here.

Clicking on that link brings up a prompt to "start discussion", hence why I said "[start] a thread", but sure; that's what I meant.

I took the discussion as more of an extension of the ongoing debate about the 'morality' of the manga that has been going on, using Koguma's design and Kinniku Tarou's pixiv content as another point of contention, but if you say it's off-topic then mod's word is final, so I'll just shut up now.

I'm guessing they just threw in the 'non-con' bit as a last minute strawman insult

the reason i mentioned non-con is because when i brought up the topic of consent and communication people were saying that it didn't matter. i wasnt trying to bait anyone, nor was i intending to say that the author of this comic had that on their pixiv. i just kind of lumped the two things that people were disagreeing with me about together, which i shouldn't have done.

I hope we see a kiss someday... Or even a confession would be good enough.

Yo did she kissed her? Did she?!!

How quickly you forget...

I'm guessing they just threw in the 'non-con' bit as a last minute strawman insult

the reason i mentioned non-con is because when i brought up the topic of consent and communication people were saying that it didn't matter. i wasnt trying to bait anyone, nor was i intending to say that the author of this comic had that on their pixiv. i just kind of lumped the two things that people were disagreeing with me about together, which i shouldn't have done.

Ah, that makes sense. Not saying I agree with the original statement, but I see the reasoning now.

Having read the previous chapters, I'm pretty sure Hino saw something "pale green" elsewhere (on Koguma or not) and Koguma just assumed Hino meant her underwear.

scalio posted:

Having read the previous chapters, I'm pretty sure Hino saw something "pale green" elsewhere (on Koguma or not) and Koguma just assumed Hino meant her underwear.

Yeah maybe she has green earrings... But if she also has green underwear that was a good coincidence

y'all can like your non-con loli porn all you want.

Whoa, I missed when 'non-con' was brought up.

Meh, I went through their Pixiv and the closest thing I could find to "loli sex" was two separate comic strips of Sakurako and Himawari from Yuru Yuri, where both comics fade out and return to them nude (with their genitals covered, either by sheets, frames, or body positions) implying they had sex during the interval.

The only other thing that stands out to me is an illustration of a frontal nude of Sanya and Eira from Strike Witches sitting lateral to each other, with a gap between them, where their body proportions appear quite juvenile. Their breasts and nipples are exposed, however their vulvas are concealed. The illustration doesn't seem very sexualized in any other way, other than a blush and expression on Eira's face that could be interpreted as arousal.

Other than that, the artist seems to have a preference towards small/flat breasts and has drawn some feminine looking men (noteably Hideyoshi from Baka to Test) topless. It seems to me that the person who brought up issue with their pixiv is more concerned with the body type then the emotional/moral content. I'm guessing they just threw in the 'non-con' bit as a last minute strawman insult because they found it more damning than 'consensual loli porn'. Or else they're implying that no porn involving lolis can be consensual, thus the comic strips involving Himawari and Sakurako are 'non-con' by default, but in the comic strips mentioned, both characters appear to take active roles, and anyone familiar with the characters should be able to imagine the emotinal states concerned with such a scenario.

Edit: As it turns out, both of those "comic strips" of Himawari and Sakurako have been translated and uploaded here on Dynasty already.

Regardless if the claim is true or not, what the artist draws on the side is irrelevant as long as they draw good yuri.
If people want yuri to expand as a genre beyond the current niche it is, then the first step is to not shit on the artists for things they're interested in drawing. I've seen this happen time and time again for whatever reason, at least in western communities, sometimes voiced even directly at the artist.

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^ Agreed, but Nez has already tried to bring the discussion back to being more closely related to the material, and I feel guilty for unnecessarily responding on the topic further multiple times, so here's my attempt to reign it back in.

scalio posted:

Having read the previous chapters, I'm pretty sure Hino saw something "pale green" elsewhere (on Koguma or not) >>and Koguma just assumed Hino meant her underwear.

Yeah maybe she has green earrings... But if she also has green underwear that was a good coincidence

Yeah, that would be really in line with the rest of the manga and Hino's personality, but that would be a very lucky guess, and I feel like Hino wouldn't pass the opportunity to let Koguma know that she was talking about something else in the first place.

On another note, everyone has seemed really focused on Hino's negatives so far, but I really like Blastaar's point about Hino's effect on Koguma's self-esteem. In this case, Koguma's design has serviced the story nicely in my opinion, as she has shown in the past that she feels somewhat uncomfortable with her self image and Hino has been nothing but supportive in that regard. I think that's one of the strongest cases against them having an abusive relationship: Hino may actively try to tease Koguma with lightly suggestive matters, but when it comes to topics that Koguma genuinely worries about (such as her appearance or trying to be a good class rep) Hino is always supportive and she's always honest with Koguma when it counts (e.g. all of ch. 10, beginning of ch. 11, etc). I think that's really what makes their relationship sweet rather than worrisome.

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why do so many yuri artists have to draw loli trash??

Because they don't agree with your opinion that it's "gross" and "trash"?

LOL better respect those pedophiles, amiright?

... >.>

Making lolicon/shotacon porn does not a pedophile make. Can it with the insane troll logic.

It's amazing to me how people can take fictional work so seriously.

It's called empathy and investment. If your story doesn't get those reactions it's no good.

No, it's called emotional over-investment, and the second half of that statement is a decidedly subjective assessment, not an objective one.

The thrist is real for both Koguma and Hino.

It's called empathy and investment. If your story doesn't get those reactions it's no good.

No, it's called emotional over-investment, and the second half of that statement is a decidedly subjective assessment, not an objective one.

Any investment from the readers is a good thing for the writer. And no, that is not subjective. If your story doesn't rouse any empathetic responses or some kind of investment, it failed as a piece of entertainment. You seem a bit cranky, cool down.

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Making lolicon/shotacon porn does not a pedophile make. Can it with the insane troll logic.

I mean, not everyone draws little children porn. If I saw someone drawing LITTLE CHILDREN porn, I'd nope right the heck out of there.

Shhh, how are we supposed to amuse ourselves in Dynasty if people aren't fighting?

Yeah ok let's just get back to the actual manga. No loli in this manga, ok? Shoot :(

I actually really liked this manga up until this rather skeevy development what I dislike is this comment section's immediate attempt to dismiss and shut down anyone expressing discomfort with the subject matter and paint them as oversensitive or reading too much into it. Like this happens in pretty much every thread for a series with content that some people are uncomfortable with: people voice their concerns and then the people who like whatever it is get defensive because they perceive critique of whatever as a personal attack on them.

@majere
It's always alright to voice your discomfort.
It's equally legitimate for people to tell you why your interpretation might be flawed.

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I actually really liked this manga up until this rather skeevy development what I dislike is this comment section's immediate attempt to dismiss and shut down anyone expressing discomfort with the subject matter and paint them as oversensitive or reading too much into it. Like this happens in pretty much every thread for a series with content that some people are uncomfortable with: people voice their concerns and then the people who like whatever it is get defensive because they perceive critique of whatever as a personal attack on them.

It made me really uncomfortable too at that point. If it bothers you then drop the manga, but don't go against the grain of the comments too much, otherwise nezchan will beat you with ban baton.