For me, it isn't even just males in yuri. I feel exactly this way about love rivals in general, which is why love triangles are so hit-or-miss in my experience. Far too often, they only serve to force development of the main couple and don't stand on their own as characters.

It's particularly bad if it's an Ex that plays the third wheel. Usually, the reader is told all the various flaws the ex has - so you already know they aren't "right". Then the protagonist for some contrived reasons still does something with them (or at least their love interest thinks they do). So either you've got a misunderstanding that's too stupid to believe or you have a protagonist that's too stupid to believe.

And while real life people of course regularly do stupid things it doesn't make for good fiction, usually (some self-sabotaging characters can be appealing, but it needs to be done well ^^; ).

In this specific instance, I'm also bothered by the character's nature as a Chekhov's gun; it was obvious he was going to come up again, and his lack of any real importance up 'til now just makes me doubt that he'll be incorporated organically into the plot. Of course, I'm hoping to be proven wrong.

Very true. However, I think you're also pointing out why it's so difficult to do this right in fiction: real life, everybody runs in a few dozen people each day. If somebody were to observe you, they wouldn't automatically know which one is important.

In fiction though, you only get the high lights. All characters need to serve some function, otherwise they shouldn't be in the story. But then, in romances, there aren't that many options of what they can be there for ...

Balancing this is a tough task to give any author, I think.

For me, it isn't even just males in yuri. I feel exactly this way about love rivals in general, which is why love triangles are so hit-or-miss in my experience. Far too often, they only serve to force development of the main couple and don't stand on their own as characters.

It's particularly bad if it's an Ex that plays the third wheel. Usually, the reader is told all the various flaws the ex has - so you already know they aren't "right". Then the protagonist for some contrived reasons still does something with them (or at least their love interest thinks they do). So either you've got a misunderstanding that's too stupid to believe or you have a protagonist that's too stupid to believe.

And while real life people of course regularly do stupid things it doesn't make for good fiction, usually (some self-sabotaging characters can be appealing, but it needs to be done well ^^; ).

Why are there so few stories where issues with an ex are all in the character's head, and the ex isn't actually malicious or aggressive? I mean, that's really the most realistic scenario; the ex and the love interest are over and have moved on, but the MC can't help but be paranoid about the relationship they used to have (or maybe switch the love interest and MC, either way can work).
I'm really hoping that someone understands what I'm referencing here.

In this specific instance, I'm also bothered by the character's nature as a Chekhov's gun; it was obvious he was going to come up again, and his lack of any real importance up 'til now just makes me doubt that he'll be incorporated organically into the plot. Of course, I'm hoping to be proven wrong.

Very true. However, I think you're also pointing out why it's so difficult to do this right in fiction: real life, everybody runs in a few dozen people each day. If somebody were to observe you, they wouldn't automatically know which one is important.

In fiction though, you only get the high lights. All characters need to serve some function, otherwise they shouldn't be in the story. But then, in romances, there aren't that many options of what they can be there for ...

Balancing this is a tough task to give any author, I think.

I see your point, but that's not really what I meant. Of course, now that I'm trying to explain myself I can't seem to find the words, so I'm just going to concede the point before I give myself a headache. Actually, it's already too late for that.

Nooooo. This pointless misunderstanding had better be completely inconsequential and short lived or I'll be upset.

TO NEZCHAN: Please tell me where I should write chapter’s volume when uploading. Should I write it in the “Name” field? Because when I write it in the “info” field it’s always, always, always ignored by Mods.
This. Chapter. Is. From. Volume. 4.

TO NEZCHAN: Please tell me where I should write chapter’s volume when uploading. Should I write it in the “Name” field? Because when I write it in the “info” field it’s always, always, always ignored by Mods.
This. Chapter. Is. From. Volume. 4.

Hm. I'll pass it along to dpf, who usually handles that side of things.

Jun gets no breaks lmao

it's a shame, but I guess a novice writer is bound to end up relying on cheap drama when they run out of ideas.

holy shit, things are getting spicy lol

I don't care what y'all say but jealousy is one of the best part of loving someone

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At least she had enough manners to fix Ayako's clothes.

Good things happen: it gets worse as the mother's feelings get more messed up, but I like it, so it gets better, in fact !
God, the sexual tension is so high I might live off of this for the next month.

Lol, it's so cute how Asuka's mother is curious about "practice".

If only if he can be deleted...

I LOVE I LOVE IT OH MAH GAWD HEHH YEH

Why am i enjoying this

Comment 666! Do I win a prize!
I was leery about this when it started, but it is turning out quite well, I think. It isn't 'ordinary' and neither should it be, these are highly unusual people in very unusual situations.
One of the best parts is how... normal their lives are outside of their relationships. That's good writing and servers to show how the outside world has no idea what's going on...
Nice!

ok, author kicked that cool blondie, I guess her aunt or something? But keeps insisting on the boy, now what? Wanna turn your yuri into het? Go ahead, just let me know in advance so I can drop right now

when the girl you liked thought you were gay

ok, author kicked that cool blondie, I guess her aunt or something? But keeps insisting on the boy, now what? Wanna turn your yuri into het? Go ahead, just let me know in advance so I can drop right now

it's not like Iike I hate het, but Im here for incest n yuri. if they turn my yuri into het, I swear to god...

nah, let alone het,
I would be really upset if they didn't stick with the incest theme till the end of the series.

with that being said, I think that's unlikely considering the fact the mom started to think asuka as her lover as well.
even there's no sign of her thinking asuka as a substitute for her husband or anything like that, she legit loves asuka sexually from the bottom of her heart.

but still, it doesn't change the fact, at the end of the day they both may won't end up together as a legit couple. that's why I implore u the author, plz don't shy away with ur incest~~

ok, author kicked that cool blondie, I guess her aunt or something? But keeps insisting on the boy, now what? Wanna turn your yuri into het? Go ahead, just let me know in advance so I can drop right now

Let's not overreact here. He made it very clear he has no intention of pursuing Asuka, since she obviously isn't interested in him romantically. Also, it's really not that uncommon for a character to fall into the background or temporarily stop appearing altogether once a major story arc involving them concludes. (And although I wouldn't personally describe Akira's appearance as a major arc, I suppose it is, relative to everything else in the story so far.) It's a safe assumption that Akira will show up again, since there are still several questions about her left hanging.

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It’s been well-established that the boy has been wanting to get with Asuka since they both were little kids, and she hasn’t gone for it. What in the world makes anyone think that she’s going to suddenly go het for him now?

It’s theoretically possible, and it’s arguably more probable than the story suddenly becoming a 4koma about an invasion of Earth by vegan Communist dragons from outer space.

But Asuka and Jun sitting on a park bench while she gives him a sledgehammer to the solar plexus (figuratively speaking) about her being in love with her mom (and incidentally, not with him) doesn’t suggest to me that it’s quite time to make a mad scramble for the het-attack fallout shelters.

wtf im doing with my life how did i end up here reading this
how i pass from reading a cute yui x azusa doujin and start reading this mother x daughter manga
i think i need a break from the internet

ok, author kicked that cool blondie, I guess her aunt or something? But keeps insisting on the boy, now what? Wanna turn your yuri into het? Go ahead, just let me know in advance so I can drop right now

i think you should drop it regardless of the boy or the aunt since this is a pretty disturbing manga but thats only if you can stop reading it to be honest i really want to drop this one but i just cant, the curiosity kills me every time i saw a new chapter and i crige all the way through the last page yet i enjoy every second of it

Someone mentioned earlier that Akira's inclusion was great as an antagonist, only to leave before that person's predictions came true. I hope this thread doesn't go down the same inconclusive holes. Like what others are saying, this isn't about to turn het just because Jun's coming clean. This creates a dilemma (which Akira should've been) that makes Ayako consider the full extent of her feelings for her daughter. This is a good conflict, and one that won't lead to het. The Focus of the story is clearly motherxdaughter incest and I don't think it'll turn from that at any point. It is good that it leaves us guessing, though, because it makes it more tense and intriguing.

Let's be real, this won't turn to het, let's not be dramatic flamingos here. Personally I like Jun, he seems like a potential supporter for Asuka's love towards her mother. If anything, jealousy is in alot of manga, well, because it happens in real life. Only natural for the author to do something along this line to incorporate feelings you would experience in real life, if and ever you were in that situation. Truthfully speaking, it isn't a shame, and the story really... just, like... began, yea?