It seems I missed the discussion about pedophilia but I will leave my two cents as a person who was abused as a kid by an adult, and as someone WHO READS this manga:
I totally despised this manga when it was first released and it annoyed me how people would feel "happy" about it or find if "endearing".
As a kid, you have no idea what the hell is happening and it is a pretty scary experience. Lots of people become suicidal because of it, the most damaged ones will commit suicide and others get self worth issues for the rest of their life. There is no way this is acceptable.
Now about Lolis, which are kids who are actively "seeking" this, AGAIN they have no friggin idea what it involves and any smart adult can figure that out and, like Mimika here, should restrain themselves ( a kid around Kaede's age tried to hit on me -adult in her 30s- once, it was the oddest thing ever and creepy too -.-; )
I read Yuzumori quite uncomfortably at first, almost in attack mode you could say, I am glad the author has made Mimika control herself and I am looking fwd to a time skip! Since this age difference isnt that big of a deal once you are over 20.
Tl;dr: Pedophilia is wrong no matter the circumstances.

Well aren't you the sensitive one. Let me remind you that this is a work of fiction. Let me remind you that Mimika is also underage. Let me remind you that it is a consensual relationship. Let me remind you that this age gap is not that big. If the girls were 40 and 20 you would have no problem would you? Even though the age gap is so much bigger. The age of sexual adulthood is also diff. by countries. Some have it down to 12, which i think is Yuzumori-san's age. Stop being so triggered.

Other than that, the eyes... the are HUGE...
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/yuzumori_san_ch30#8

Embrace the creepy aliens among us!

Let me remind you that this age gap is not that big. If the girls were 40 and 20 you would have no problem would you? Even though the age gap is so much bigger.

This age gap is pretty big. An age gap is much less significant among adults than among children, something that Jess acknowledged, but you seem to have ignored:

I am looking fwd to a time skip! Since this age difference isnt that big of a deal once you are over 20.

The difference in maturity between someone around 12 years old and someone around 16 is bigger than the one between a 20 and a 24 year old. Or than the one between a 20 and a 40 year old.

Plus, remember Mimika thinks so, too. So even in-story, it's a HUGE deal, and it's the driving tension of the whole story. If this series went on a long time, I predict they'd have to part ways for a while.

Let me remind you that this age gap is not that big. If the girls were 40 and 20 you would have no problem would you? Even though the age gap is so much bigger.

This age gap is pretty big. An age gap is much less significant among adults than among children, something that Jess acknowledged, but you seem to have ignored:

I am looking fwd to a time skip! Since this age difference isnt that big of a deal once you are over 20.

The difference in maturity between someone around 12 years old and someone around 16 is bigger than the one between a 20 and a 24 year old. Or than the one between a 20 and a 40 year old.

Plus, the story establishes pretty early that Yuzumori is 9 or 10 years old.

Well aren't you the sensitive one. Let me remind you that this is a work of fiction. Let me remind you that Mimika is also underage. Let me remind you that it is a consensual relationship. Let me remind you that this age gap is not that big. If the girls were 40 and 20 you would have no problem would you? Even though the age gap is so much bigger. The age of sexual adulthood is also diff. by countries. Some have it down to 12, which i think is Yuzumori-san's age. Stop being so triggered.

Looking at your recent comments, you seem to be just trolling around, trying to pick fights. Please cut it out.

How old is Mimika again? I keep forgetting

She is 16 or 17. So there's between 6 and 8 years between them.

Well aren't you the sensitive one. Let me remind you that this is a work of fiction. Let me remind you that Mimika is also underage. Let me remind you that it is a consensual relationship. Let me remind you that this age gap is not that big. If the girls were 40 and 20 you would have no problem would you? Even though the age gap is so much bigger. The age of sexual adulthood is also diff. by countries. Some have it down to 12, which i think is Yuzumori-san's age. Stop being so triggered.

Hahah you are like that, aren't you? Either that or just a troll like Nez said.
Kids will never have an adult's or even teenagers ability to consent. They literally do not have the "brains" for it and many other things until after 15.
You start by defending it as a "work of fiction" but then proceed to get butthurt about the other details.
You know what? PEADOPHILIA IS NEVER EVER JUSTIFIED EVEEEEER, we can even write a song about it mr. PedoTroll.
"Stop being so triggered because if you dont I will feelz bad I haz these pedo feelings and you saying they arent fluffy like this story buhuhuhu"
Good for you that you didn't have that happen to you (being raped/molested by an adult/older teen) * applauses *
Still admiring how author handles Mimika's feelings and looking fwd to that time skip that seems to bother Andrei (I am guessing bc Kaede wont be a kid anymore and he wont have the hots for her)

Let me remind you that this age gap is not that big. If the girls were 40 and 20 you would have no problem would you? Even though the age gap is so much bigger.

This age gap is pretty big. An age gap is much less significant among adults than among children, something that Jess acknowledged, but you seem to have ignored:

I am looking fwd to a time skip! Since this age difference isnt that big of a deal once you are over 20.

The difference in maturity between someone around 12 years old and someone around 16 is bigger than the one between a 20 and a 24 year old. Or than the one between a 20 and a 40 year old.

Plus, the story establishes pretty early that Yuzumori is 9 or 10 years old.

Yes! All of this! And I treated the person as the troll he is, I apologize if this causes any inconvenience.

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Eh, if you leave it at that then it's fine.

Eh, if you leave it at that then it's fine.

No prob

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I still don't know what to think of this. The 10 years old in this are more mature and articulate than the high schoolers. I'm having a hard time with the suspension of disbelief.

Other than that, the eyes... the are HUGE...
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/yuzumori_san_ch30#8

Isn't that because the author planned for Mimika to be the younger one? or was that just something the author drew for us?

Catching up on discussion, and lolwat @ Kodomo no Jikan being a realistic look at anything

do people actually think of kids like this

Well aren't you the sensitive one. Let me remind you that this is a work of fiction. Let me remind you that Mimika is also underage. Let me remind you that it is a consensual relationship. Let me remind you that this age gap is not that big. If the girls were 40 and 20 you would have no problem would you? Even though the age gap is so much bigger. The age of sexual adulthood is also diff. by countries. Some have it down to 12, which i think is Yuzumori-san's age. Stop being so triggered.

Hahah you are like that, aren't you? Either that or just a troll like Nez said.
Kids will never have an adult's or even teenagers ability to consent. They literally do not have the "brains" for it and many other things until after 15.
You start by defending it as a "work of fiction" but then proceed to get butthurt about the other details.
You know what? PEADOPHILIA IS NEVER EVER JUSTIFIED EVEEEEER, we can even write a song about it mr. PedoTroll.
"Stop being so triggered because if you dont I will feelz bad I haz these pedo feelings and you saying they arent fluffy like this story buhuhuhu"
Good for you that you didn't have that happen to you (being raped/molested by an adult/older teen) * applauses *
Still admiring how author handles Mimika's feelings and looking fwd to that time skip that seems to bother Andrei (I am guessing bc Kaede wont be a kid anymore and he wont have the hots for her)

Slow Claps Well why do you read it then? Don't read what you don't like. And if you do like it, well, there is no reason to badmouth it. This is not a one-shot, so there is no way for you to have read it and then realized that it is not for you. So just don't read it. And yes. I love picking meaningless fights, because discussions are fun. By Bentham's philosophy, the relationship is ethically correct, as the amount of happiness over-weighs the unhappiness (if there is any to begin with). Immanuel Kant would argue that it may not be as ethically correct because it is pedophilia, but that depends on the country and what people deem pedophilia to be. If a girl was 18 and the other 16, is it pedophilia because she is not of "legal" age? There are always two parts to a discussion. Your statement has subjective feelings behind it (so does mine, but i can at least bring logic into it and not personal problems that did not take place in the manga). Seeing it objectively, nothing about this is illegal. No sex. No "taking advantage".

Well aren't you the sensitive one. Let me remind you that this is a work of fiction. Let me remind you that Mimika is also underage. Let me remind you that it is a consensual relationship. Let me remind you that this age gap is not that big. If the girls were 40 and 20 you would have no problem would you? Even though the age gap is so much bigger. The age of sexual adulthood is also diff. by countries. Some have it down to 12, which i think is Yuzumori-san's age. Stop being so triggered.

Looking at your recent comments, you seem to be just trolling around, trying to pick fights. Please cut it out.

Nah. No trolling. The last comments being discussions can be logically explained. Let's say you read something. Either a manga or a comment. If you agree with the manga or comment, there is no need to say anything so you do not reply. But if you disagree, then you are more likely to leave a comment giving your opinion, either it being subjective or objective. Basic psychology.

I still don't know what to think of this. The 10 years old in this are more mature and articulate than the high schoolers. I'm having a hard time with the suspension of disbelief.

Other than that, the eyes... the are HUGE...
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/yuzumori_san_ch30#8

Isn't that because the author planned for Mimika to be the younger one? or was that just something the author drew for us?

Pretty sure they drew that piece for fun.

The story would be waaaaaaaaay less interesting if their ages were reversed.

The story would be waaaaaaaaay less interesting if their ages were reversed.

You say it like it's interesting now when the older girl is braindead while the loli is the more "mature" one.

Is Mimika's friend still dying from that flying spinning heel kick?

Is Mimika's friend still dying from that flying spinning heel kick?

RIP, she crossed the path of too many deadly lolis.

Kyonne posted:

Is Mimika's friend still dying from that flying spinning heel kick?

She comes back in the next chapter to hang out

I don't think things have changed as much as people like to think. There were some laws passed basically restricting how stuff with certain content could be sold IIRC but I haven't noticed much of an affect. It's more that, given the increasing popularity of the medium, and the prevalence of social sites like Twitter, you hear the criticism of this stuff a lot more often. Loli fanservice is still super super common tho. Hell, just look at the -monogatari franchise. That has a LOT of loli fanservice and it's super successful and popular. I think rather than longing for a day when certain kinds of content was more prevalent, it's more that these people just miss the days when awareness of that stuff was super niche outside Japan so they didn't hear criticism and complaints as much.

Hell, I'd go so far as to say that characters who are lolicons are way more prevalent than they used to be.

Ah, yeah, Monogatari... that freaking incestuous loli toothbrush scene turned me off from ever watching it. It's not like I really would've anyway but still... definitely not watching it now.

It's a shame that those laws aren't really doing much, whatever that may be... I mean, say what you will about CENSORSHIP and whatnot, but I don't think any country wants to be known as a haven for pedophiles, even if the targets of their twisted lust are entirely fictional and even if complaints from Westerners really don't have much of an effect. It still sure doesn't present a great image to the rest of the world... certain people (like one in this thread...) notwithstanding. Oooor maybe Japan just doesn't care and is trying to sweep it under the rug... I don't know much about this topic, but it sure seems like an Asian thing to do.

Catching up on discussion, and lolwat @ Kodomo no Jikan being a realistic look at anything

Nice, so Kodomo no Jikan ain't a realistic look at this kind of stuff as I've heard?... somewhere... not sure where... Nice, nice... it means my hatred for it is justified. I don't suppose My Little Sister (gah, what's the abbreviation again? Imo...One? Eh, whatever) is that realistic either, so I guess I can hate both of them without being fully hypocritical. At least Yuzumori-san is slightly more realistic... marginally so, though it seems to be getting more and more fantastical with every passing chapter... (LOLI JUMP KICK!!!) But, yeah, we all know that some of us, me included, fully accept Yuzumori-san while thinking of other loli things as shitty anime for degenerates just 'cause it's yuri...

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It's a shame that those laws aren't really doing much, whatever that may be... I mean, say what you will about CENSORSHIP and whatnot, but I don't think any country wants to be known as a haven for pedophiles, even if the targets of their twisted lust are entirely fictional and even if complaints from Westerners really don't have much of an effect. It still sure doesn't present a great image to the rest of the world... certain people (like one in this thread...) notwithstanding. Oooor maybe Japan just doesn't care and is trying to sweep it under the rug... I don't know much about this topic, but it sure seems like an Asian thing to do.

I think people should re-examine one of the core facets of this manga we're reading. Namely that Mimika is a pedophile and successfully deals with her obsessions despite that (as many reputable studies have shown, pedophilia is a relatively common orientation compared to the number of offenses). So cool it people.

It's a shame that those laws aren't really doing much, whatever that may be... I mean, say what you will about CENSORSHIP and whatnot, but I don't think any country wants to be known as a haven for pedophiles, even if the targets of their twisted lust are entirely fictional and even if complaints from Westerners really don't have much of an effect. It still sure doesn't present a great image to the rest of the world... certain people (like one in this thread...) notwithstanding. Oooor maybe Japan just doesn't care and is trying to sweep it under the rug... I don't know much about this topic, but it sure seems like an Asian thing to do.

I think people should re-examine one of the core facets of this manga we're reading. Namely that Mimika is a pedophile and successfully deals with her obsessions despite that (as many reputable studies have shown, pedophilia is a relatively common orientation compared to the number of offenses). So cool it people.

Even if you say that, it's not like pedophilia is accepted at all throughout pretty much the entire world... so I'd say my point still stands. I mean, what you're saying is really not related at all to what I'm saying. Besides, I was clearly discussing things in which the pedophile in question DOES NOT successfully deal with their obsessions as Mimika does. Certainly, that's the great thing about Yuzumori-san in comparison to other more messed-up stuff... though, that said, it's hardly like Yuzumori-san would be received positively throughout most of the world either.

You know, I've noticed that you completely miss the point of a post you're complaining about in several of your posts that I've seen... maybe try actually reading the post and thinking a bit before you make a stupid statement like this that's not even related to the argument.

About the "reputable studies," you're gonna have to link a few of those... that said, if that's true (well, even if it's not), I do find it saddening to an extent. Of course, I feel no remorse for those who actually do shit, but those who don't must lead a depressing, lonely life, unable to truly love anyone and unable to really express their feelings to anyone... though I don't really know much about pedophiles, so perhaps they can love people their own age too... in which case I don't really feel quite as bad for them.

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