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The Real Haman Karn
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joined Nov 29, 2021

this seems deliberately provocative, i wouldn't hold out much hope for it doing a complete 180 on its entire premise

Beatorokken
joined Feb 23, 2014

Not every work on our site has to be squeaky clean, nor does it need to "be redeemed down the line"

You don't have to read it.

The biggest issue is people coming into here to keep whipping themselves into a frenzy. Do not.

This story has a right to exist and the people on these forums have a right to criticize it and point out how offensive it is, especially since most of the people doing so on this YURI site are lesbians and trans women who aren't super enthused with how unintentionally lesbophobic/transphobic it is!

Like I would argue most people are being fairly subdued in talking about it, only one person tried to argue for its removal even but people are allowed to complain about things, discussion is literally the whole reason the forums even exist!

joined Feb 22, 2026

Not every work on our site has to be squeaky clean, nor does it need to "be redeemed down the line"

You don't have to read it.

The biggest issue is people coming into here to keep whipping themselves into a frenzy. Do not.

I feel like most people here are beeing very reasonable specially when it released with the Yuri tag, like all comment are saying it's either a messy story or just not the story advertise, most us are saying that will give it a shot and if it's not what we expected we will just stop reading, feels fair to me

Yeah the general sentiment is "I hope this isn't like really bad", which is like insanely lenient considering what was released so far

joined Oct 23, 2022

Transphobic bile

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Dynasty Scans
joined Oct 8, 2010

This story has a right to exist and the people on these forums have a right to criticize it and point out how offensive it is, especially since most of the people doing so on this YURI site are lesbians and trans women who aren't super enthused with how unintentionally lesbophobic/transphobic it is!

Like I would argue most people are being fairly subdued in talking about it, only one person tried to argue for its removal even but people are allowed to complain about things, discussion is literally the whole reason the forums even exist!

This is not an argument that I am going to entertain. I was giving a blanket warning.

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ProbabilityThePoet
joined Oct 26, 2024

Ay man wtf thats weird

Wtf%20dog
joined Sep 7, 2024

This is so over the top stupid I can't help but like it. I know I've complained a lot about stuff like this in the past but, this just seems so fucking brainless I can't help but like it.

joined Feb 25, 2025

It's funny how the discussion always splits into this is trash vs. no, you don't get it, this is going to explore queerness, etc. When it's obviously just a het (at the moment) story that adds a few twists to make it more fun, like Ranma. Queer reads are fine, but ultimately these stories don't get past that surface so shit talking the story is also ok. Both sides are pretty annoying tbh but I think these type of stories are very honest from the beggining so the complains feel kind of forced

Honestly the more annoying thing is that I love big boobs but I hate that the tomboy girl always has to be big to reaffirm she is a girl or something lol

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joined Sep 30, 2023

It's funny how the discussion always splits into this is trash vs. no, you don't get it, this is going to explore queerness, etc. When it's obviously just a het story that adds a few twists to make it more fun, like Ranma. Queer reads are fine, but ultimately these stories don't get past that surface so shit talking the story is also ok. Both sides are pretty annoying tbh but I think these type of stories are very honest from the beggining so the complains feel kind of forced

i mean, a queer reading IS directly invoked by the text (the girl all but calls herself gay), so thats a bit. not-actually-mutually-exclusive to it being largely irreverent towards actual sensibilities in that area. its both, for better or worse. (probably worse.) (holding out hope though...?)

Best case scenario for all this argumentation is that she ends up transitioning and its het the other way. XP

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joined Oct 17, 2025

An interesting look into the mind of a person that either gets it and is being inflammatory on purpose, or a person who is close to getting it and is coming across as insensitive in the process, or someone who doesn't get it at all but is subconsciously hitting a few notes correctly. No elaboration needed.

Book%20and%20cloakhbq1
joined Aug 1, 2011

I'm hesitant on this one, for all of the reasons people have mentioned, but it also has some very entertaining scenes, when you stop to think about them.

The most blatant is the look of utter revelation she gets when he asks if she's gay followed by her basically going "I only said that to get him to stop, but maybe I—HOLY SHIT I'M GAY!", but there's also the part where Momiji apparently got her sister, who's a professional make up artist, to help with her transformation. So, what, she went "Hey, sis, I need you to make me look like a girl, so I can get with this lesbian I used to bully in kindergarten" and she not only agreed but went all in, to the point of insisting Momiji wear colored contacts. I will laugh if we get a flash back to that scene and the sister basically says "So, you're finally coming out, sis?"

Weeb Depression
joined Sep 12, 2021

Ignoring how offensive this premise is, I'm not a fan of the pacing. It's too fast for me to like the jokes and care about what's going on. I'm not expecting much from this. It's just going to be a silly little gag manga.

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joined Oct 20, 2017

Momiji is a pretty name. I won't say anything else because I don't want to get in trouble

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joined Jan 3, 2024

Big shoutout to the friend characters for going all "tee-hee let's leave these lovebirds to themselves" not even a minute after the MC said she hates the guy

I'd be so pissed at them in her shoes ngl

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joined Aug 12, 2018

Is there anything more pathetic, and aggressive, and insulting, and tonedeaf, and degrading than crossdressing for the sole purpose of getting "a chance" with the lesbian who rejected you a million times? Jesus christ
(and yes i understand that she's not really really a lesbian but for all he knows, she might as well be)

Even if it wasn't controversial, the male character is immedately unlikable. It would be as pathetic and insulting if the girl just said "I actually like blonde guys" to reject him and he turned up with his hair dyed the next day. He's basically declaring that he will keep forcing himself on this girl until she agrees to go out with him no matter what she says, as he has already done for years

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Dumshork
joined Mar 19, 2022

So many clairvoyants reading a single chapter of a series. Amazing.

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joined Jul 30, 2015

I think the people in this thread forgot nonbinary people exist. Like, one of my main reasons for transitioning was distancing myself as far from masculinity as possible on moral grounds. I will fight anyone who tries to tell me I'm not a woman, but in a hypothetical world where gender norms are reversed, I'd be just as fervently a man instead. Momiji seems to have a similarly utilitarian relationship with gender. She's still trans, but she arrived there as a function of her circumstances, not due to any inherent self-identity. She's not going to represent the average trans woman's experience, nor should she.

Book%20and%20cloakhbq1
joined Aug 1, 2011

I have a question that's completely unrelated to the plot: On page 32 it says that both Momiji and Kouyo are written the same? How does that work, both in terms of how are the same characters making such different sounds and how would someone who's reading it know which set to use? Is there more to this that I'm missing or that isn't coming across?

I remember asking a Japanese tutor about something similar a, very long time ago, but I couldn't think of a good example at the time, so she wasn't able to give me an answer and I didn't stick with my studies well enough to figure it out myself. (I really do need to go back and work on that.)

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joined Sep 30, 2023

I think the people in this thread forgot nonbinary people exist. Like, one of my main reasons for transitioning was distancing myself as far from masculinity as possible on moral grounds. I will fight anyone who tries to tell me I'm not a woman, but in a hypothetical world where gender norms are reversed, I'd be just as fervently a man instead. Momiji seems to have a similarly utilitarian relationship with gender. She's still trans, but she arrived there as a function of her circumstances, not due to any inherent self-identity. She's not going to represent the average trans woman's experience, nor should she.

Dear God i hope the manga turns out to be as benign as your good faith wills it, but i fear you might be projecting a bit too much understanding of feminism & gender roles onto this. Though (echoing what others have said) I am myself unsure of how deeply the author understands anything, the whole manga seems to hop onto an actually topical point and back off again at random measures.

In that sense, while I'm deeply cynical, I am looking forward to see more of this?!?

joined Apr 16, 2022

I have a question that's completely unrelated to the plot: On page 32 it says that both Momiji and Kouyo are written the same? How does that work, both in terms of how are the same characters making such different sounds and how would someone who's reading it know which set to use? Is there more to this that I'm missing or that isn't coming across?

I remember asking a Japanese tutor about something similar a, very long time ago, but I couldn't think of a good example at the time, so she wasn't able to give me an answer and I didn't stick with my studies well enough to figure it out myself. (I really do need to go back and work on that.)

When Japan adopted the Chinese writing system, they were faced with a problem: Japanese and Chinese are extremely different from each other. The solution they came to was, alongside adopting a number of Chinese words (whose pronunciations were suitably changed to match the Japanese syllable system), to also use the Chinese characters to represent completely different Japanese words with similar meanings.

As a result of this, most Japanese kanji have both a kun'yomi, a Japanese reading, and an on'yomi, a Chinese reading. Indeed, they frequently have even more than 2 such readings. 行, for example, has at least 7 different pronunciations, ranging from "i", "yu", "oko", and "okona" (kun'yomi) to "kou" ,"gyou", and "an" (on'yomi).

The case in question is actually even more complicated than this. "Kouyou" is the on'yomi reading of the kanji compound 紅葉, but the "momiji" reading actually derives not from the individual kanji in isolation but is a reading that only applies when they're both used together.

As for how to know which reading to use, unless the writer provides the correct reading in tiny characters above the kanji (called "furigana," which you may have heard of), you have to rely entirely on the context in which they're used.

joined Jan 3, 2024

On page 32 it says that both Momiji and Kouyo are written the same?

Both are written as 紅葉, yes.

How does that work, both in terms of how are the same characters making such different sounds

Pretty much all kanji have several readings, with some being similar (like 下 being ge/ke/ka/ga) and some being very different (like 下 being shita, moto, the o in oriru, the kuda in kudaru (from kudasai fame) and the sa from sagaru). 紅葉 as kouyou uses the onyomi readings of each kanji, whereas momiji is just a reading this compound has that doesn't even have anything to do with the regular readings of the separate characters. Why? Because Japan.

how would someone who's reading it know which set to use?

You don't.

Well, in this case it's a name, so you know because they tell you. Usually context also tells you which reading is correct for a character. Sometimes the reading is written seperately in so-called furigana, small characters next to/above the kanji. And sometimes you have to guess.

Book%20and%20cloakhbq1
joined Aug 1, 2011

I vaguely knew some of that, in a general sense, but not in context. Both of those explanations were very helpful. Thank you.

joined Aug 21, 2017

It's funny how the discussion always splits into this is trash vs. no, you don't get it, this is going to explore queerness, etc. When it's obviously just a het story that adds a few twists to make it more fun, like Ranma. Queer reads are fine, but ultimately these stories don't get past that surface so shit talking the story is also ok. Both sides are pretty annoying tbh but I think these type of stories are very honest from the beggining so the complains feel kind of forced

insensitive hetslop or deep queer peakness, call it.

Glimmerface
joined Nov 30, 2023

Girlypop you better actually transition cuz this story is in extremely dangerous territory otherwise

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joined Aug 21, 2024

The bar is so low.. and yet

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