Man I wish all yuri was like this. So glad for the To be continued

People who draw flat chested girls/women with big boobs to make them sexy are my enemies

I think her boobs are probably bigger in this doujin but Machu isn't flat in canon.

Nyaan is flat in canon though, and the artist accurately drew her as flat in this doujin. Personally I have no issues with the way the artist drew them, but ultimately to each their own lol

Oh I see, thank! She is not flat, it is a size that you can definitely expand. I don’t have any problem now lol
In my case, if I like a character I want to see that character being sexy, not a “standard sexy body” with the face of the character. Ironically I don’t have a problem with this when it comes to fanarts or gk, but with dj is a turn off

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People who draw flat chested girls/women with big boobs to make them sexy are my enemies

I really love the fact that she went to Nadeshiko as a form of self-harm, not because she loved her. And I like to think that she only loves Nadeshiko because she feels cornered and that no one else would be able to understand and accept her (that she is a -bad- girl). True love.
What I don’t like is the rope play being off-screen, the punishment scenes were too toned down to be honest, I wanted more sexy moments.

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Life is good

They need to do that while having sex

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"Even though she's a girl" / "but we're both girls" bro I'm so tired of this trope in GL.
Like it's totally fine for women to fall in love with each other lady, this isn't the 1900s!
After like say the age of 12 or something I'm sure you know that lesbians exist, especially living in the modern world with access to mass media.
I wish those types of corny lines would go away from all yuri.

The comphet struggle is still real for many, and when I hear her say that I mainly think, I hope she takes a look at herself and her sexuality. I personally think it's realistic because everyone's road of self discovery is different.

I think they mean those specific lines and how they are generally presented. Instead of “but we are both girls” “even though she’s a girl” something like “am i attracted to a woman?” I suppose? Idk I like those lines or yuri with straight women lol

I don't get it, this isn't a trans manga. I think about wanting to be a woman and in a lesbian relationship all the time, but that doesn't make me trans.

Ask any of your guy friends how often they think about wanting to be women and/or want to be in a lesbian relationship.

But all of my closest friends are sapphic women.

Ask your father if he's ever wanted to be a woman. Ask a colleague or classmate. Ask anyone.

And then, If any of your sapphic friends are trans women, ask them how they knew.

I did, a few years ago, and the answers I got have helped me a lot and made me a much happier person.

What if I said I have only been raised by women, have women relatives, and sapphic cis women friends? Should I ask any men in the thread right now?

Create a “male” imaginary friend and ask “him”

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I see a lot of japanese artists using the term and tag "bara" for a long time now. Even the rose as a symbol like the bear flag is used here in the western. So not so sure about it.

Yep, roses (bara) are associated with gay men in japan, but it has never been the name of the “genre” of comic/ilustration by them. This topic was also mentioned by him and its because they -gei komi artist- know it is a genre outside of Japan, its for marketable/exposure reasons, some even tag it with yaoi, to reach more people. It is similar to GL, people in Japan use it but its not the name of the genre (in Japan) and is barely used compared to Yuri.

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Barazoku was a Bara magazine. The "yurizoku" was not a section, it was a term a editor from this magazine used in reference to the female readers for a letter column. they basically just called it "yuri" (lily) because it's another flower (bara = rose). as far as I know. he wasn't even necessarily referring to them as "lesbians" but from then on, a joke was formed of naming lesbian characters "Yuri" or something. No one is quite sure where the term came from, because it was mostly these obscure magazines and the doujin and fanzine cycles.

Bara has never been a genre in Japan (Gengoroh Tagame talked about this). Barazoku was a gay magazine, bara was used to refer to gay men (that is why the magazine was called Bara(rose)zoku(tribe)) but then became a “slur” similar to pansy in english. What we call bara is called gei komi in Japan. Some gay magazines had a section for comics and then it become its own market.

To my understanding, the number of female readers was enough to create a section in the magazine for them (column if its different in english) who was called yurizoku. In Japan, lilies were associated with women before it was associated with lesbians, how it started to represent lesbians is something I also don’t know.

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I do remember a lesbian japanese artist (the organizer of the ButchxButch anthology) saying something similar in her twitter, that she use yuri because it would reach more people, basically for marketing reasons. Not that she doesn’t like yuri or that yuri can not be lesbian but that a “lesbian” genre didn’t exist.

I mean a lesbian genre does exist, it's called yuri. And while you're right that yuri can feel restrictive with its focus on feminine women loving feminine women. The yuri genre is very specifically the lesbian erotica made by and for lesbians genre in japan. the fact is that Yuri got its start in bara magazines.

All that said while there's certainly a conversation to be had about breaking free of purely depicting the conventionally attractive. This is still the forum for a story about an egg who got isekaied into the body of a pre-op trans woman and is as of chapter 1 still coping about it. I'd rather we try to keep on topic. even if that seemingly generates transphobes at alarming rate.

“while you are right” I didn’t give a opinion on the genre, just cited what I saw from a author on twitter. I am not the type to expect a genre to adapt to my taste, I just go and search for it. I also know where yuri started, and it wasn’t bara magazines (bara as a genre has never existed) it was a gay magazine called barazoku and the yurizoku section being the reason for the name of the genre.

You are right, so I deleted my last comment. I was trying to change the topic to be honest. I don’t know if its posible for a Admin. to delete all comments and monitor from then on to avoid transphobia.

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I get what you mean, totally totally. I don't mean, drawing women exactly like bara (overtly fat, muscular and hairy to giant proportions) but I guess what I mean is I want a terminology like bara that's meant to denote lesbian media and content that's made by lesbians and tends to have art cues that are a tad more realistic. Similar to the connotations of bara if that makes sense. The closest I could think of is maybe Josei GL that has a non-moe art style.

Oh I understand. Obviously by and for who is important, but the real difference between yaoi and bara is the body type. If a type of yuri that was mostly hairy, fat women having sex existed, I am sure that many readers of “conventional yuri” wouldn't read it, and that a separation between readers would exist. The non-moe tag certainly has more “realistic” art styles but the women and girls in it are still bishojo or conventionally beautiful.
The other crucial difference is also in how the story develops. Bara authors consider yaoi too “emotional”, basically bara is like hentai and yaoi is like shojo with smut. It’s a lot about “this makes me horny and this doesn’t make me horny” type of mentality when you read interviews, very interesting.

I do remember a lesbian japanese artist (the organizer of the ButchxButch anthology) saying something similar in her twitter, that she use yuri because it would reach more people, basically for marketing reasons. Not that she doesn’t like yuri or that yuri can not be lesbian but that a “lesbian” genre didn’t exist.

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less worried about how authentic/inauthentically trans the main character is and more ill at ease at the (currently just implied) "lesbians secretly crave cock" thing I assume it's leading to with the main girl love interest. im going to continue reading because I desperately want it to be a good trans yuri but I'm skeptical.

Re-reads with a little more slowness
OH MY GOD!!! I didn't even REALIZE! It's already bad enough that it's het with extra steps, but now they're implying the lesbian character may secretly like dick/men. As a lesbian, I already have to deal with this in real life now I gotta see this in my dumbfun fantasy media? Nevermind, I'm no longer interested and dropping this.

Maybe it will turn like this, but not much was said, she is just curious. She is a sheltered Young Lady plus girls in catholic schools didn't had male teachers. For now that can perfectly explain her behavior.

I really like Bara a lot. I really like to see two boys chuu each other... Never once i fantasize about being a big hairy man to kiss another big hairy man... reconsider some things maybe

Today I learned Bara and Yaoi are not necessarily the same thing. Thank you.

they are considered entirely different genres. Yaoi/BL is mostly made by women for women, Bara is for the demographic of gay man that are also bears/chasers (and me as an intruder i guess lol.) tho the two are slowly blending together, in some ways, nowadays :D

You know, I've always wondered if there was a type of genre terminology of bara but for lesbian women. It certainly exists like you know when you see art that depicts lesbian relationships by a lesbian rather than a man but there's not really a term for it.

Most lesbian artist I follow have a “anime style” plus a litte more muscle or hair (very much limited to big eyebrows or armpit hair, if its nsfw a bush) but -sadly- I have never seen a lesbian artist draw women in a similar fashion to bara. Even masc x masc japanese artist use bifauxnen. The furry scene in japan is mostly dominated by gay men too. Honestly I have found more fat, hairy women in straight hentai

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There are many instances I've seen where certain Japanese fans will have a, let's say, odd attitude about accepting trans women as part of yuri. My point was that the author might be sincere in their depiction of a trans character, but be wary of how they use the term "yuri," so as not to deal with any issues around audience expectations. Hence, the "it's not but it is" response they give. I'm not as concerned with random Japanese comments. They are not any better than random English comments.

With author and readers, I mean objective readership, not just the japanese one. “odd attitude” is transphobia.
My point is that, the author's remark can either be to avoid transphobic fans or because they themselves are transphobic. I personally don't think theorizing about whether or not the author is bigoted or an ally helps the conversation, because we don’t know, so using the author intention to analyze whether the basis of the story is or not transphobic doesn’t work. That will depend on each person, how they see the world, they lived experiences, etc.

This series is officially tagged as yuri on its home site, and the author seems to primarily make yuri series. Also, based on my reading of the future chapters, I would call this clearly yuri.

Awesome!

I've seen authors avoid using the term "yuri" in many series that are very obviously girls' love. Even "The Green Yuri" author has avoided using the term and discussed being uncomfortable with the expectations of it for her series. We would not question that one, right? I would not say the term is less restrictive in Japan; based on my experience, it's the opposite, because for some, it seems to come with some expectations beyond just involving women.

I think those are two different thinks. Western creators have the “my story my rules” mindset meanwhile Japanese authors tend to feel apologetic when they break the common structure or “aesthetic” of the genre they are working on -specially if we are talking about commercial works-. It feels like a warning. “I am sorry if this doesn’t feel like a XXY, I hope you keep supporting this story” it’s very common.

About the versatility of the term between West vs Japan. Agree to disagree. Honestly it depends, when you read japanese articles about important yuri series from the past, Rose of Versailles is always there, never have I seen Dear Brother mentioned, even if it is “more yuri” than RoV. But then we have the resent discourse around Rock is a Lady’s Modesty in the west. It is a interesting topic.

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It's also complicated because the author said it looks like yuri but is not yuri, and repeated that twice. That could be because of how "yuri" is used in Japan and the sensitivity around it. Still, I thought it should be mentioned.

I hope this doesn’t sound rude but what do you mean with the sensitivity around it in Japan?
I mean the term -in Japan- is used for any gxg relationship, from ambiguous relationship, close friendships to confirmed lovers. I would say that people in the west are far more restrictive with it.

So the fact that the author and readers don’t see this as Yuri means that they don’t see our FL as a girl. (and with readers I obviously don’t mean trans people tired of ambiguity or people genuinely worried about how the narrative is going to handle her transness)

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I think the ending is quite sad. They (the audience) is going to unfollow

Or well, you can see it in two different ways, if you read the chat you can interpret the last part as unsuscribed, or you can interpret it as a new audience aka a new follower

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Thank for the translation

But I have a question, Shiho says “How about you fuck me?” But at the interview she says that is exausting so she is going to make Nanao top next time. So I am a little confused

Why do some people question this as yuri or not?
It's clearly from Yuri Hime anthology, bruh. Ofc it's yuri.
Whether the story is MID AF or not is a different case.

Right? Nothing bad in wanting the story to be explicit about what kind of feelings the girls have but yuri also encompass “more than friends, less than lovers” type of connection between girls

That's a bold statement when majority of yuri last 3 volumes or less. The ones that get to double digits are the exceptions, not the norm.

My wording was bad sorry. I didn’t mean that the norm for Yuri is 300+ chapters like a battle shonen from the SJ. Some long run Yuri’s are focused on the development of a romance/couple (having a fantasy element -Murcielago, A monster wants to eat me and, I want to love you until you die- gives you more material to work on) and to extend the story authors tend to add drama or miscommunication and it often becomes tedious or repetitive. So my comparison is because mangas in the SJ extend past their prime and become monotonous and then when a series is shorter and concise is assumed to be canceled. Even though the average yuri has three volumes, if you read the comments, it is assumed axed if it ends in two or one volume. But I must add that even if Yuri Hime tends to go from one or four volumes maximum (with some exceptions) it’s easy to find long run Yuri in seinen magazines, Murcielago, Octave, Nameless asterism, Ohana holoholo, Vampeerz, and also, depending on what you consider yuri we have Rock is a Lady’s Modesty, Akebi’s Sailor Uniform, Dragon Maid, etc.

Likewise, my initial comment was not negative or with the intention to belitte that type of story, I am the type of reader who thinks “This is not for me anymore” and move on. I remember Citrus with affection. I like those kinds of self-indulgent stories, though I ocassionally wonder if its the author who wants to continue or is the magazine asking them to.

Saburouta my beloved! I love how she draws hair and eyes, always so detailed

honestly, not just Citrus, I think yuri tends to suffer the Shonen Jump syndrome, some mangas get prolonged past their prime and the story gets, boring, insipid, etc. That’s why it surprises me when I see a yuri with one or four volumes and it surprises me more when I read the comments insisting it was axed when someone already said that the author planned it as a short series.

I always enjoy when horny yuri isn't afraid of including a strap. This was pretty amateurish tho.

Another point to korean yuri

Korean yuri good with the strap? Got any examples? (For science, ofc)

Drunken Relationship, Immoral Parody, Sora and Haena (I don’t really remember But it was the first time I saw finger condoms), Damp Ascension. And those are all that I can remember

I always enjoy when horny yuri isn't afraid of including a strap. This was pretty amateurish tho.

Another point to korean yuri

god bless you creampan

There's a very common sentiment among the more amateurish parts of the yuri fandom that Class S is an outdated genre driven by historical compromises and editorial restrictions, rendering it unable to express a 'true' lesbianism because of its focus on symbolism and subtlety.

I agree 100% that westerns have a very closed way of perceiving queerness and are quick to catalog what is and what isn’t queer, unables to accept others perspectives.

When I read lesbian comics from the west that are realistic, they do not look very different from the high school american movies I have seen. Basically, their stories for me are also "unrealistic" but I understand that they work in a context different from mine and with that understanding, I navigate them or at least don’t judge them.

Class-S and sisterhood are probably my favorite tropes in yuri. They are unique, I like the stablished dynamics and aesthetics.
Although I differ a little, even if class-s did not have subtly queerness, it would still be good. I don’t think yuri needs to be queer or realistic to be signifcative or valid.
I understand the value She loves to cook She loves to eat has, but its not my cup of tea as I am not searching for that in yuri.

For example, platonic lesbian relationships in japan were expected-normal in adolescense and outside of yuri, even nowadays lesbians are seen as sexless. So for me yuri having sex scenes, women masturbating, etc. is more subversive than the use of labels.

Otherside Picnic had a “intimate” scene and some reviews in amazon jp were complaining. I saw something similar with a Thai GL fanpage when the protagonists had a bed scene (it was tame lol). Obviously this is not Class-S fault but a example of how this has shaped readers in accepting a specific type of yuri and how fans reacts to more “straight forward” lesbian interaction. Korean yuri suffers from this treatment of not being “real” yuri.
So, as you said. It is a bit fascinating because a lot of what people like about (japanese) yuri derives from Class-S, simultaneously don't liking it but at the same time when a manga completely deviates from the vestiges of class-S the scrutiny of What constitutes a Yuri begins.

But I also believe that this is a topic with multiple angles. A few years ago, Hanamonogatari was re-edited in Japan and the sleeve used the word "Yuri" and the phrase in it was something like "when lilies were still a secret" and japanese lesbians were angry because the media and everyone avoids using the word lesbian. When I Favor the Villainess was aired in japan, some were angry at the LGBT talk. So what is and isn’t subversive also varies depending on your context.

This discussion can go back to what is “queer”. and that also varies from person to person. Even what many non-western people consider queer is based on western queerness. I also think the idea that yuri=lesbians is what generates this discussion.

But I must also contradict myself and say that it stresses me that one can never criticize yuri because suddenly you are a man, you are lesbophobic, have never read yuri and likes shojo/bl, are ignorant about the history of the genre, I am reading in bad faith, I didn’t understand the plot, want to restrict lesbian expression,etc. sometimes it borders anti-intellectualism.

isn’t this just the yuri version of “super attractive perfect girl ends up with antisocial loner whose sole redeeming quality is that they are somehow the first person to ever show basic kindness to the girl”

I think what sets this specific 'antisocial loner' from the other cliché ones is that she has her own hobby (sumo and piano classes, can't tell if she enjoys those) rather than constantly being miserable about being an 'outcast'. We can tell she's into literature (not the common archetype of being a secret weeb).

She's also her own character. She's not like certain self insert male protags that are the "nice guy" type or w/e.

There's nuances to these things lol

I mean no one is comparing her with a male self insert protagonist, just naming cliches. Both characters clearly fit an archetype, the loner girl is a otaku and the other girl is a ojou-sama/young lady.
An archerype means that they share specific/notorious traits, not that they are exact copies with 0 differences or nuances. Subaru from Re:zero and Kirito from SAO are basically the same dude but still have a lot of differences.

I never said anyone was and yes I know. I simply stated an observation based on how I think the self insert male that's the "nice guy" is one of those types, and how there's nuances to the various types of characters that can fit under an ultimately broad umbrella.

Oh ok, I just thought it was strange to jump to male self insert protagonist as if the person was insinuating some kind of similarity between the two.