You two wanna spar, do it in the ring. On pay per view. With the proceeds going into my account.

Only if you sponsor me.

You'll settle for Red Bull and like it!

You'll settle for Red Bull and like it!

Oof. You drive a hard bargain. At least it's not Monster, I suppose.

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You'll settle for Red Bull and like it!

Oof. You drive a hard bargain. At least it's not Monster, I suppose.

My girlfriend works for Avon. We could try to arrange for Avon to sponsor you.
Either that, or maybe arrange something with Ribnica Komerc, where my dad works.
If both of these fail... well... then I can't help ya, buddy...

I wouldn't call Bloom Into You overrated. My issue with it is more that while it's very well executed, it still only tells a very typical story I read many times before, so despite it nuance, I lost my interest in reading it. I really wish it would go different route and explore some new grounds, while still being as well written as it's now. And yes, I'm fully aware it all boils down to me setting some expectations and story not meeting them. I'm sure I'll enjoy it when I feel like reading that kind of generic plot again.

I wouldn't call Bloom Into You overrated. My issue with it is more that while it's very well executed, it still only tells a very typical story I read many times before, so despite it nuance, I lost my interest in reading it. I really wish it would go a different route and explore some new grounds, while still being as well written as it's now. And yes, I'm fully aware it all boils down to me setting some expectations and story not meeting them. I'm sure I'll enjoy it when I feel like reading that kind of generic plot again.

It's really not generic. While Bloom isn't doing anything ground-breaking, the quality of the writing outclasses anything remotely similar. There is very few manga as emotionally complex as YagaKimi. I've read a few stories where the main protagonist starts off not knowing what love is like but, YagaKimi's the only one that has done this concept justice IMO. There are quite a few stories that have a seemingly perfect girl with a hidden side but, apart from Monogatari, I can't think of any that have done it properly. It explores new grounds by virtue of going deeper into the psyches of it's characters.

YagaKimi isn't special in concept but, it has become special through impeccable execution. You're basically comparing a burger from a fast food restaurant to a burger from a 3 Michelin Star restaurant.

NxY posted:

It's really not generic.

"generic plot"

While Bloom isn't doing anything ground-breaking, the quality of the writing outclasses anything remotely similar.
YagaKimi isn't special in concept but, it has become special through impeccable execution.

"while it's very well executed, it still only tells a very typical story"

Why I even bother writing anything if nobody actually reads it with comprehension.

You're basically comparing a burger from a fast food restaurant to a burger from a 3 Michelin Star restaurant.

I, at no point, compered it to anything, but I see because of the whole Citrus vs YagaKimi talk, you wanted to use clever food comparison too.

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NxY posted:

It's really not generic.

"generic plot"

While Bloom isn't doing anything ground-breaking, the quality of the writing outclasses anything remotely similar.
YagaKimi isn't special in concept but, it has become special through impeccable execution.

"while it's very well executed, it still only tells a very typical story"

Why I even bother writing anything if nobody actually reads it with comprehension.

You're right, of course, but this inevitably happens with descriptive words where the evaluative connotations have overtaken the denotation, which of course has happened to "generic." People who want to defend it feel compelled to deny the denotation ("There are many things like this") as a way of contesting the connotation ("This is no different than the other things like this").

Yes, YagaKimi does adhere fairly closely to certain genre conventions, and for a person looking for something else, or who values other qualities much more highly, that's going to be a bad thing.

I personally tend to read genre fiction to see what the author does with the genre conventions; it's fine when someone does something highly original or surprising and it's done effectively, but that's not necessarily high on my own list of priorities.

But when someone is dissing a favorite it seems to be hard to resist the impulse to deny the description itself rather than the evaluation.

Knowing that the majority of central storytelling structures and themes were well-established across Eurasia (and possibly wider but lack of sources makes any real conclusions impossible) by the Bronze Age has left me altogether more concerned with the quality of the writing than any particular attempts at "originality." Or to use a cooking analogy what matters is how well the chef executes the recipe, not how many (ostensibly) novel spins they can add to it - those are just a bonus should they work out.

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Blastaar posted:

I personally tend to read genre fiction to see what the author does with the genre conventions

I don't mind reading stories for that too, but this specific premise I read so many times, I'm currently sick off it and prefer to look for different kinds of stories.

I wonder how original romance stories can be these days, with basically every possible trope done already, it seems authors can only make their stories more creative by adding elements that make those tropes interesting and charming.
As for yuri as a genre, I think there could be more variety plot-wise if the setting is changed. I for once would love to read fantasy yuri, or maho shoujo, anything but high school setting. We have plenty of series like that but the romance between girls is either a secondary aspect or is kept on subtext forever. Murcielago is one of the few exceptions~

Blastaar posted:

I personally tend to read genre fiction to see what the author does with the genre conventions

I don't mind reading stories for that too, but this specific premise I read so many times, I'm currently sick off it and prefer to look for different kinds of stories.

Wait, the "I can love you only because you can't love me" premise? Because that's the only thing that does seem unusual to me.

Or something else?

I don't mind reading stories for that too, but this specific premise I read so many times, I'm currently sick off it and prefer to look for different kinds of stories.

Well, would you mind giving examples then?
I seem to have serious trouble finding many stories with these exact plot points. There are some vaguely like it, but not really. Unless you generalize the very idea of not understanding love or trying to replace a person, but then.... you may as well read nothing anymore, because those vague definitions seep into most romance and drama by default.

And I know you read and watch generic stories with overdone cliches that are lacking in execution compared to YagaKimi (as do all of us), so you must be extremely oversaturated with this specific story type. I honestly just want to know how that could possibly happen, especially in the context of yuri, which is already niche.

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Knowing that the majority of central storytelling structures and themes were well-established across Eurasia (and possibly wider but lack of sources makes any real conclusions impossible) by the Bronze Age has left me altogether more concerned with the quality of the writing than any particular attempts at "originality." Or to use a cooking analogy what matters is how well the chef executes the recipe, not how many (ostensibly) novel spins they can add to it - those are just a bonus should they work out.

Seconded.

I don't mind reading stories for that too, but this specific premise I read so many times, I'm currently sick off it and prefer to look for different kinds of stories.

Hi Nevri!

I wouldn't call Bloom Into You overrated. My issue with it is more that while it's very well executed, it still only tells a very typical story I read many times before, so despite it nuance, I lost my interest in reading it. I really wish it would go different route and explore some new grounds, while still being as well written as it's now. And yes, I'm fully aware it all boils down to me setting some expectations and story not meeting them. I'm sure I'll enjoy it when I feel like reading that kind of generic plot again.

Mmm, I can see what you mean. Yuri tends to have very clear cut character archetypes. I will say the idea of, "I can't fall in love," is a considerably atypical motivation for the story (I had only seen something similar briefly mentioned in another manga. And I mean like 'one line' brief) and the way Sayaka plays into the relationship is actually pretty unique too. You're right when you say the character archetypes are typical, or even the plot, however I think the subversion of expectations in many places in said plot are actually what separates it. I've already mentioned the character motivations, but it's also quite refreshing to see side characters affecting the main plot (rather than just stealing chapters for themselves with no baring on how they will further engage with the story)
You're right when you say we've seen all the building blocks here before in MANY other yuri manga, but I'm not sure I would call the whole story typical.
(Then again I've read so many yuri manga at this point I may have blinded myself lol)

You'll settle for Red Bull and like it!

Oof. You drive a hard bargain. At least it's not Monster, I suppose.

My girlfriend works for Avon. We could try to arrange for Avon to sponsor you.
Either that, or maybe arrange something with Ribnica Komerc, where my dad works.
If both of these fail... well... then I can't help ya, buddy...

BV you got warned before to not do this. Can you not please? So many off-topic posts. Forums are not your personal blog.

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I wonder how original romance stories can be these days, with basically every possible trope done already, it seems authors can only make their stories more creative by adding elements that make those tropes interesting and charming.
As for yuri as a genre, I think there could be more variety plot-wise if the setting is changed. I for once would love to read fantasy yuri, or maho shoujo, anything but high school setting. We have plenty of series like that but the romance between girls is either a secondary aspect or is kept on subtext forever. Murcielago is one of the few exceptions~

I agree with this whole-heartedly. The lack of variety in setting has gotten to the point where I was just excited to see that Bloom Into You wasn't taking place in an ALL GIRLS school. There are a few yuri that take place in different settings, most of them are relatively new and incomplete though, and those that are older seem relatively short and somewhat sloppy. I think the future of yuri looks bright though!

You'll settle for Red Bull and like it!

Oof. You drive a hard bargain. At least it's not Monster, I suppose.

My girlfriend works for Avon. We could try to arrange for Avon to sponsor you.
Either that, or maybe arrange something with Ribnica Komerc, where my dad works.
If both of these fail... well... then I can't help ya, buddy...

BV you got warned before to not do this. Can you not please? So many off-topic posts. Forums are not your personal blog.

First: I don't have a personal blog and don't plan on making one.
Second: You could've at least told me that before my (literally) self-punishing self-imposed exile from Dynasty.
Third: My apologies, but I couldn't resist but join in the conversation that was kind of a sequel to an argument between BugDevil and someone else (I already forgot who it was.
Fourth: In any case, point taken.

Folks, the Yagate Kimi ni Naru facebook group is currently saying that volume 8 will be the last one for this story. Has anyone else seen any verification of this fact from an official source?

Folks, the Yagate Kimi ni Naru facebook group is currently saying that volume 8 will be the last one for this story. Has anyone else seen any verification of this fact from an official source?

Nakatani said she was 80% through the story at volume 6, so Volume 8 is likely to be the last one. I don't think it's been confirmed, though.

Edit: This tweet says it's the last but, I'm not sure where they got the information from.

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Folks, the Yagate Kimi ni Naru facebook group is currently saying that volume 8 will be the last one for this story. Has anyone else seen any verification of this fact from an official source?

They're correct. The information is official since it was the preview page for vol 8 included in vol 7's tank release that just came out: https://m.weibo.cn/detail/4364646397717223#comment

https://m.weibo.cn/detail/4364646397717223#

I should be hyped for Yuu and Touko, but instead I’m hyped because we’ll get a little more of Midori and Manaka. Nakatani-sensei knows her public so well...

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I bet this manga is going to end with no make out scene. Yuri manga readers are the only people in the world that read something for literally years just to see 2 people holding hands in a final panel. Like seriously.

matsuri_wins posted:

I bet this manga is going to end with no make out scene. Yuri manga readers are the only people in the world that read something for literally years just to see 2 people holding hands in a final panel. Like seriously.

or a sudden marriage with zero resolution to all of the intense and histrionic conflict festering and swelling up in the past chapters, resulting in a bunch of readers lamenting the the insipid conclusion of a once beloved manga

However, in regards to Bloom Into You, I have 99.99% faith in a satisfying yuri ending as the manga and mangaka have been consistently good.

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matsuri_wins posted:

I bet this manga is going to end with no make out scene. Yuri manga readers are the only people in the world that read something for literally years just to see 2 people holding hands in a final panel. Like seriously.

We already had one of those back in the sport festival, remember? now, seeing one where both are totally aware and fine with their feelings is something extra, but... yeah, they already did a lot and you didn't need to wait a year for that. What this needs it's a time skip! This is why Garden of Lilies is the perfect yuri work

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