Who did Lapis originally want to kill, anyways? Like do you really need a full blown genocide instead of a handful of pokey pokies?

As of now it's framed as "killing all the commoners", so technically genocide (ethnic groups/nation) is a misnomer. Classicide (social class) would be more accurate.

That said we don't know yet what exactly drove her to that point, only lil bits and pieces that could just as likely be clues or misdirections

Umm...You people do know that Lapis had a adopted sister that could see the future and died to the [ANTI-NOBLE] fraction right, it was shown and explain in the past chapters???? MC did not know about Lapis adopted older sister having future sight and only knew that Lapis' sister died (But not the reason for Lapis' sister's death)....I guess some people just forgot maybe? :)

It kind of fked up that the [ANTI-NOBLE(Which includes the lesser lower rank nobles meaning they are not Anti-noble to rich people helping them lol)] fraction tried to kill Lapis and her adopted sister died protecting her but eh...Lapis was from a pretty much super high ranking family...Meaning killing her father or her (Future heir) would be a big blow to any possible strong future support to the KING/Royalty and the the higher rank nobles...Lapis as a kid was a easier target was my guess why they aimed for her instead of trying to target the father.

I pretty sure her motivation is very clear from what we can see from her backstory....XD

['Revenge'] for her adopted sister and killing "Everyone" in the [Anti-noble] fraction...If she has to kill lots of innocent people to kill every single person that could have a hand or a tiny bit of responsibility for her little sister's death...There would be no hesitation lol.

From my point of view and understanding of her character, Lapis would feel a tiny bit bad for killing any innocent people in the [Anti-noble (Any misguided person wanting change for the poor innocent people of society)] or innocent bystander that isn't even part of [Anti-noble] but that is a sacrifice she is willing to take.

Sure the assassin that tried to killed Lapis is dead...But what about all the people involved and ordered the attempted assassination???

Like...Am I just crazy or am I seeing a different version of this series then everyone??? Lapis motive and goals seems pretty clear to me. Even her minor prejudice against commoners is understandable considering witnessing her sister's death at the hands of the so-called 'Commoners'....Or my understanding of Lapis character is 99.99% total wrong and she is just trolling and fooling everyone with her FAKE backstory about having a adopted commoner sister XD

[This chapter(17)]
This chapter (17) shows that Diana was willing to give up pursuing MC for love if Lapis shows she cares for the MC and that the MC is number 1 to Lapis but Lapis' hesitation made Diana frustrated since she was ready to give up on the romance (IF Lapis was serious about MC) and saw Lapis hesitating which shook Diana up since she was ready to give on the MC.

Lapis though knows [She had to let go of MC's hand]...She will never give up on her 'revenge' and how her revenge could put MC in danger just from association....The real question to me honestly is...is this going to up end as a poly 3-way ending or just between Lapis & MC ending...the other option is the [BAD END] which I don't even want to considered happening lol...

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I'm still a Diana/Lapis truther.
Natori is just a vessel for Lapis's mommy issues smh smh smh my head

As much as i want a poly ending, the drama riddled ending with Lapis becoming Jeff Bezos( commoner hater) and dying isn't bad either. Lapis and Natori getting captured together and Lapis saying things she doesn't mean about Natori like that scene from brba ozymandias ep where walter calls skyler to say bad things about her so that skyler don't get persecuted. But i doubt that would happen. We are getting less peak poly ending or mid Natpis ending or god forbid Diatori ending without Lapis villainess arc( this would never happen unless they rectcon Nat's character)

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Why does Lapis have to let her go?

I assume that she thinks that she doesn't deserve her or that she won't be good for her. Not an uncommon plot element to see in these sorts of stories.

Why does Lapis have to let her go?

I assume that she thinks that she doesn't deserve her or that she won't be good for her. Not an uncommon plot element to see in these sorts of stories.

Makes me wonder, has she not realized Natori knows all about her plan? As far as she knows Natori has the gift of foresight after all

Natori has outright stated she knows of Lapis's plans, and that was part of them getting closer, the notion that someone who knew the worst of her still wanted to be with her. But that does not mean she wants to drag Natori down with her when she goes through with it. Lapis has felt from the get-go that her vengeance will end with her own demise. She likely doesn't much care about the pawns that might get caught in the crossfire, but Natori is something more than a pawn. Romantic, ain't it?

Probably also worth remembering that Lapis's confidence in if she'll go through with it has also been shaken, as she's tempted to just be happy with Natori instead. She's all in a big moral jumble trying to pick between two completely at odds paths. Being with Natori means giving up on revenge, and seeking revenge is a suicide mission, she doesn't expect to be able to live after doing a mass murder, so she'll be leaving Natori behind in life regardless of if she wants to go "why not both" lol. Diana accidentally put her on the spot prompting her to make up her mind, and she couldn't.
Also the poly ending is still on as far as I'm concerned, Diana's key to solving this dilemma. She's got a lot of potential for targeted non-mass murder once she gets rolled into their polycule slash murderous conspiracy. She was just seen by the whole school absolutely shaming a royal who tried to duel her, she's got that in for the anti-royals.

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My measured repsonse

Diana should win.

yeah I'm team poly. Though I love Diana, I can't not love Lapis' whole broody torn up thing. Like she's it done well

LAPIS PLEASE WIN PLEASE I HAVE HOPE IN YOU BRO no hate to diana i love her too but LAPIS PLEASE

LAPIS PLEASE WIN PLEASE I HAVE HOPE IN YOU BRO no hate to diana i love her too but LAPIS PLEASE

I think many of us Diana fans are pushing poly simply because that's the only hope Diana has. I see zero chance of a scenario where Lapis doesn't end up with Natori.
I'm not even a poly fan but I just don't want to see a sad Diana. And no, I will not accept that het shipping for Diana that someone else mentioned earlier! Eww go away!

I see zero chance of a scenario where Lapis doesn't end up with Natori.

Lapis dies

Diana gets to console Natalie

I see zero chance of a scenario where Lapis doesn't end up with Natori.

Lapis dies

Diana gets to console Natalie

That's the kind of ending that would potentially piss off everyone. Can't see that one happening.

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I see zero chance of a scenario where Lapis doesn't end up with Natori.

Lapis dies

Diana gets to console Natalie

That's the kind of ending that would potentially piss off everyone. Can't see that one happening.

I recall a certain non Yuri manga that more or less did this and it was extremely funny on a meta level

Not this one, though

Who did Lapis originally want to kill, anyways? Like do you really need a full blown genocide instead of a handful of pokey pokies?

As of now it's framed as "killing all the commoners", so technically genocide (ethnic groups/nation) is a misnomer. Classicide (social class) would be more accurate.

That said we don't know yet what exactly drove her to that point, only lil bits and pieces that could just as likely be clues or misdirections

Umm...You people do know that Lapis had a adopted sister that could see the future and died to the [ANTI-NOBLE] fraction right, it was shown and explain in the past chapters???? MC did not know about Lapis adopted older sister having future sight and only knew that Lapis' sister died (But not the reason for Lapis' sister's death)....I guess some people just forgot maybe? :)

It kind of fked up that the [ANTI-NOBLE(Which includes the lesser lower rank nobles meaning they are not Anti-noble to rich people helping them lol)] fraction tried to kill Lapis and her adopted sister died protecting her but eh...Lapis was from a pretty much super high ranking family...Meaning killing her father or her (Future heir) would be a big blow to any possible strong future support to the KING/Royalty and the the higher rank nobles...Lapis as a kid was a easier target was my guess why they aimed for her instead of trying to target the father.

I pretty sure her motivation is very clear from what we can see from her backstory....XD

['Revenge'] for her adopted sister and killing "Everyone" in the [Anti-noble] fraction...If she has to kill lots of innocent people to kill every single person that could have a hand or a tiny bit of responsibility for her little sister's death...There would be no hesitation lol.

From my point of view and understanding of her character, Lapis would feel a tiny bit bad for killing any innocent people in the [Anti-noble (Any misguided person wanting change for the poor innocent people of society)] or innocent bystander that isn't even part of [Anti-noble] but that is a sacrifice she is willing to take.

Sure the assassin that tried to killed Lapis is dead...But what about all the people involved and ordered the attempted assassination???

Like...Am I just crazy or am I seeing a different version of this series then everyone??? Lapis motive and goals seems pretty clear to me. Even her minor prejudice against commoners is understandable considering witnessing her sister's death at the hands of the so-called 'Commoners'....Or my understanding of Lapis character is 99.99% total wrong and she is just trolling and fooling everyone with her FAKE backstory about having a adopted commoner sister XD

[This chapter(17)]
This chapter (17) shows that Diana was willing to give up pursuing MC for love if Lapis shows she cares for the MC and that the MC is number 1 to Lapis but Lapis' hesitation made Diana frustrated since she was ready to give up on the romance (IF Lapis was serious about MC) and saw Lapis hesitating which shook Diana up since she was ready to give on the MC.

Lapis though knows [She had to let go of MC's hand]...She will never give up on her 'revenge' and how her revenge could put MC in danger just from association....The real question to me honestly is...is this going to up end as a poly 3-way ending or just between Lapis & MC ending...the other option is the [BAD END] which I don't even want to considered happening lol...

On the concept of the anti noble faction not counting because it has nobles-

The French revolution had a number of lesser noble supporters, and so did the Bolshevik revolution. Some of them even survived when the revolution radicalized and turned against many of its own founders and early supporters, as revolutions are wont to do.

So yes, people can, have, and will support revolutions likely to result in their own execution. They think they'll be exceptions, and sometimes that assumption is even true.