Conflating harems with balanced forms of polyamory (both polycules and open relationships) is just an annoying excuse that some people use to defend their degrading fetishes on a linguistic technicality.

Funny you say that, bc that's exactly what you're doing here too, hypocrite. Guess me and my two girlfriends can go burn in hell too then just bc the two of two dare to be metamours instead of lovers, right? (and before you try, none of us are men)

Yeah there are abusive practices that shit on women's rights that involve men having multiple wives but maybe don't conflate that with balanced forms of polyamory which include three consenting adults, two dating the third and being friends who care about each other with the other. Because guess what, that's a polycule too.

And a relationship where Natori dates Lapis and Diana, who are friends with each other, can be exactly that.

Fuck you.

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The modern, sex-positive conception of poly requires equality. If you're going to be with multiple people, those people also have the right to be with multiple people

The right, yes. Which includes the freedom to not exercise that right. If Lapis and Diana aren't interested in each other at the end, but are with Natori, it's still poly, and not a real harem situation.

And a relationship where Natori dates Lapis and Diana, who are friends with each other, can be exactly that.

That's where the problem lie, i don't think they want the other to date Natori alongside them. You're shadowing the biggest problem, are they friends right now ? Yes. Are they friends enough to share the love of Natori ? I clearly don't think. Lapis and Diana seem rather selfish when it come to Natori.
The problematic isn't whether or not they want to date Natori but rather did they want the other to have Natori's love aswell and the answer is no.

tl;dr : Probably not poly because neither Lapis or Diana want to share Natori's love with the other.

And a relationship where Natori dates Lapis and Diana, who are friends with each other, can be exactly that.

That's where the problem lie, i don't think they want the other to date Natori alongside them. You're shadowing the biggest problem, are they friends right now ? Yes. Are they friends enough to share the love of Natori ? I clearly don't think. Lapis and Diana seem rather selfish when it come to Natori.
The problematic isn't whether or not they want to date Natori but rather did they want the other to have Natori's love aswell and the answer is no.

tl;dr : Probably not poly because neither Lapis or Diana want to share Natori's love with the other.

Of course with their relations to each other as of the current chapter that's absolutely correct. I was talking goals, how they'll (hopefully) eventually end up. There's plenty of room for growing and evolving for them to get to that point still

Considering the way Lapis almost idolizes Natori, the chances of her being willing to share her affections are pretty much zero even after any potential character development kicks in.

Lapis has shown less than zero romantic interest in Diana, viewing her strictly as a tool. Ergo, there's nothing poly about this, you just want to see a harem ending

If Natori ends up with Lapis and Diana, that's poly, even if Lapis and Diana don't touch each other.

the F it is. The modern, sex-positive conception of poly requires equality. If you're going to be with multiple people, those people also have the right to be with multiple people. One person having multiple wives who are monogamous to them is not progressive. It's abusive, and extremely regressive, like, "Islamic harem" regressive, and absolutely disgusting and vile. In the most literal sense, you might be correct being that Islamic harems are called polygamy so it is ""poly"", but the casual sense of poly used by fans of sexual liberation should not be conflated with that antiquated, gross practice.

You should probably know this "Islamic harem" term you keep throwing around is a bigoted myth, fyi. There's technically a rule in Sharia that allows for it but basically only if there's a desperate shortage of husbands lol. It's not a common thing at all in any context and definitely should not be your example of harmful polygyny. Muhammad's wife Khadija was an older previously married and very successful and famous businesswoman who basically wore the pants in that relationship and made sure women got a bunch of explicit rights and protections in his writing.

That said, Islamic caliphs or Ottoman emperors often did have large harems -- as did powerful kings of many other cultures, including Imperial China or many Hindu kings.

You should probably know this "Islamic harem" term you keep throwing around is a bigoted myth, fyi

Bullshit, it does happen semi-frequently. And the reason why it doesn't happen often is that men consider it too difficult to support multiple wives, so only old rich dudes living comfortably can afford to. Ironically, people in one of the most sexist culture in the world are more aware of the harmfulness of unequal relationships than people defending harem plots.

The rest of the comment is literally suggesting that women living under Sharia law want to be part of a polygynous household and their position lower than men in the hierarchy, I don't know if you're making shit up to defend your position or intentionally trolling. Or maybe just think that being one step lower than your partner is fine and they should be content of it.

Nowadays, Saudi women who had a chance to get an education usually make a career for themselves, either in the country or abroad, as there is now a broad enough part of the population (especially among the younger generation) with sufficient awareness to support that. But it's still far from a land of equal opportunity, both in career and in marriage.

I just want to know if the series is still being worked on...I haven't seen any updates in a while.

Thank you so much for the update !!! <3

So glad this wasn't dragged on more than necessary. I was afraid it would go the annoying route of keeping Diana from talking with Natori so she would remain a pawn for the villain, but nope. They talk things through at first opportunity.

Now it's a matter of preventing Lapis from reverting back to her villainous ways to separate Diana and Natori.

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"Wait, so you mean telling people I am a prophet and doing things to change how people behave is CHANGING THE PLOT?! How could that be?!"

We reach the point that mention the other girl name is almost explosive

When Rubeus claims Diana wants to marry Natori, isn't that basically a confirmation that same-sex marriage is possible in this kingdom? I don't think it has been mentioned before. If that information was in the game too, it's even funnier that Natori still hasn't figured out that she is in a love triangle with two girls.

Diana is still going to be the villainess in this timeline isn't she?

I look forward to Rubeus' little schemes spectacularly blowing up on his face.

Diana is still going to be the villainess in this timeline isn't she?

Is very likely, especially if her desire to help Natori ends up friend-zoning herself and pushing Lapis and Natori closer.

Lapis is super savvy about manipulating people. It would be kind of bad writing for her not to see through Rubeus pretty much immediately. I get that jealousy is a powerful force but it feels like she is smart enough not to get dragged down by it. Then again, her whole plan is basically a pointless self sacrifice so maybe I am giving her too much credit.

Ohhhohoho, it’s gotten so chewy, everybody’s collapsing together and conflicting in the most interesting ways. God, this is so satisfying. I need to go back and study and contrast the tearful outburst panels between Lapis and Diana, there’s so much there!!!

I can’t believe it’s still getting better, and the pacing is so tight! Nothing overstays its welcome!

God this manga is good.

This manga deserves far more recognition, it's a masterpiece. Really hoping it gets an adaptation someday.

Technically once again...Lapis original plan is to be a sacrifice (Scapegoat) to boost the prince's reputation and have Diana appear as a hero for the commoners so Commoners and Nobles will never long fight/civil war risk while killing off the crazy radical commoners...I don't consider Lapis' plan to be that pointless...but yes her plan is somewhat stupid and suicidal very much yes [Could have pin the blame on some corrupted noble]...If Lapis or some other smart character was in IRL...They would be smarter than 60% of the world population lol.

Diana...Please do not sacrifice yourself either...MC said she wants a world with no has to be a villain XD

On the poly-relationship possibility topic...it depends on the people involved and other factors like power structure/dynamics but as long as everyone consents to it without there being a very clear control in the relationship due to power/financial status then it mostly fine. It just takes more effort, emotions and time to make it work with clear communications....Though the chance of these 3 having a poly-relationship is...Well it depends on the author's plan and how their characters will developed, I won't say there is 0% percent chance but it will probably be very hard to do lol.

Ally acquired, nice!

As always, this update is delicious

Lapis is super savvy about manipulating people. It would be kind of bad writing for her not to see through Rubeus pretty much immediately. I get that jealousy is a powerful force but it feels like she is smart enough not to get dragged down by it. Then again, her whole plan is basically a pointless self sacrifice so maybe I am giving her too much credit.

I agree, especially since he directly insulted not just Diana but also Natalie. She might be possessive/competitive with Diana but she's absolutely not gonna act based on that goober's influence lol. I think that scene was mostly to show us Rubeus is still acting against the two of them and will have future backhanded schemes in store.

"I'll be sure to keep this conversation in mind." As soon as I read that my mind was already playing Doom music in the background. Hehe

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Technically once again...Lapis original plan is to be a sacrifice (Scapegoat) to boost the prince's reputation and have Diana appear as a hero for the commoners so Commoners and Nobles will never long fight/civil war risk while killing off the crazy radical commoners...I don't consider Lapis' plan to be that pointless...but yes her plan is somewhat stupid and suicidal very much yes [Could have pin the blame on some corrupted noble]...If Lapis or some other smart character was in IRL...They would be smarter than 60% of the world population lol.

Lapis' original plan didn't count with her sacrifice nor was meant to boost the Prince and Diana's reputation, it was straight up just eliminating all commoners, she died because she was the villain of the story and that was how the story was written.