Well, that sure ended yuri.

Also... Since for the last few pages we only saw Koyuki from behind, I'm pretty sure next time we'll find out she was actually still awake the whole time, especially when Konatsu was doing yuri things playing with her hair.

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Man these two are just too intense for friendship, if they liked each other romantically then this series makes sense otherwise it's just kinda weird

Honestly, if the author is trying to tell us about toxic co dependent relationships instead of yuri ones, everything kinda checks out

Man these two are just too intense for friendship, if they liked each other romantically then this series makes sense otherwise it's just kinda weird

Honestly, if the author is trying to tell us about toxic co dependent relationships instead of yuri ones, everything kinda checks out

I'd say: not yet it doesn't. There's part of codependency going on--the reliance on another person for approval and sense of identity--but there's not really much controlling behavior or enabling of negative behaviors, nor is there self-sacrifice or self-denial in favor of the other person's needs. Except for a couple of severe cases of Can't Spit It Out Syndrome, I'm not seeing much toxicity here.

At this point it's really just two previously lonely and isolated people learning how to open up to one another.

Otherwise the question is simple is what do you imagine one second that koyuki accepts that konatsu goes out with a boy and vice versa? the answer is clearly no, they would be desperate both of them, it's more than friendship then... Will they assume their feelings or have eternal regrets by repressing their feelings as from the beginning...
It's a possible sweet and bitter end that would be terribly frustrating, not having succeeded in admitting that they can't live without each other when koyuki leaves for Tokyo...
I wish more an end where konatsu promises to koyuki to join her in a year. I find it really hard to see the author ending with a simple "we finally understood each other and now we can each go our own way and still be good friends"... their relationship is so intense and full of innuendoes based on their loneliness as an excuse, that it can't end like that, it would be a huge disappointment of "all her for her".

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Man these two are just too intense for friendship, if they liked each other romantically then this series makes sense otherwise it's just kinda weird

Honestly, if the author is trying to tell us about toxic co dependent relationships instead of yuri ones, everything kinda checks out

I'd say: not yet it doesn't. There's part of codependency going on--the reliance on another person for approval and sense of identity--but there's not really much controlling behavior or enabling of negative behaviors, nor is there self-sacrifice or self-denial in favor of the other person's needs.

I would agree with this if it weren’t for Konatsu’s behavior during chapters 21-24, where she literally doesn’t want Koyuki to do what she wants to do (make new friends, change for the better) because then Koyuki wouldn’t depend on her, and their relationship would lose their special-ness. Stuff like that happens when people choose to latch onto one person, instead of branching out and making more friends, and having healthier relationships. Maybe toxic is too strong of a word, but to me it seems like she doesn’t really know how close she’s supposed to get to Koyuki, which is why she is actively making sure she isn’t being “selfish” if we use her words, while us as readers know that she wishes to be.

Looking at the whole Karaoke event as an example: she couldn’t even have fun with other people because Koyuki wasn’t around (we’ve actually seen this numerous times, even in this chapter). It became to the point where she pulled Koyuki out of her own event. Although her actions in the end were fine, it very much mirrored the salamander trapping the frog. Koyuki doesn’t do this emotionally, she seems to be fine with making other friends, and just needed that push to do so.

Looking even at the career survey, Konatsu doesn’t care about what she does as long as it’s with Koyuki (I mean, we all know she didn’t join the aquarium club because she liked fish .-.). If we are looking at the story from a darker, less yuri point of view, Konatsu seems to be someone who latches on to the things that bring her comfort (I’d like to bring up what her dad said in ch 7 as a point, he mentioned that he was so glad that she could get herself engrossed in something over there as well, implying she’s done so in the past). This could simply be because she felt like Koyuki could be someone to save her from her loneliness, or some angst filled backstory, which led her to developing abandonment issues. All in all, I wouldn’t necessarily denote her behavior as healthy.

Although after 26, their relationship has become healthier, Konatsu still has to understand that she can’t be emotionally reliant on Koyuki, which it appears she is trying not to be. I’ll rephrase my original post: if not a romance, the story appears to be depicting an unbalanced relationship, rather than Co-dependent, since it’s mostly Konatsu actively acting like a salamander, and Koyuki is mostly just socially awkward.

Edit: looking back on it I just realized that I agree with you lol

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Otherwise the question is simple is what do you imagine one second that koyuki accepts that konatsu goes out with a boy and vice versa? the answer is clearly no, they would be desperate both of them, it's more than friendship then... Will they assume their feelings or have eternal regrets by repressing their feelings as from the beginning...

Que aquarium boy asking Konatsu out next ch and Koyuki going ballistic

The author has yet to do the biggest yuri cop out which is the “boy talk” with the intention of proving the main characters aren’t gay. Even if it doesn’t end in romance, I’ll give it to her that she never tried to actively make it not one.

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The boy from the aquarium club is supposed to like the other girl according to the one-shot they are from, even though in true Hagino fashion he accepted not to ask her out so that other potential club members wouldn't feel too awkward to join and although they're probably not outright the same characters in Nettaigyo, I think they're basically meant to be and won't be used differently. Though of course there is one more boy in the aquarium club now who is original.

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Edit: looking back on it I just realized that I agree with you lol

Dang--that makes it, like, a conversation, doesn't it? On the internet.

Is that even allowed? lol

Edit: looking back on it I just realized that I agree with you lol

Dang--that makes it, like, a conversation, doesn't it? On the internet.

Is that even allowed? lol

Not that's illegal >:c

Go straight to jail, do not pass Go.

This feels like the start of a beautiful [insert gender here]ship between you two.

This feels like the start of a beautiful [insert gender here]ship between you two.

Blaastar is always taking my page long dissertations and shortening them to a sentence and I’m over here like :0 How

Also, Do you like Salamanders? lol

Blaastar is always taking my page long dissertations and shortening them to a sentence and I’m over here like :0 How

It's actually Clint Eastwood himself behind that nick and goofy avatar :v

This feels like the start of a beautiful [insert gender here]ship between you two.

Yeah, no, one of the things I like a lot about the Dynasty forums is that there really is a critical mass of people (along with lots of others) who are truly interested in exchanging ideas about the stories and learning from each others' thoughts.

The fact that I recently got in a wrangle in a different thread with someone who just refused to accept that I was basically agreeing with them, only from a slightly different angle, led to a sigh of relief on that not happening this time.

This feels like the start of a beautiful [insert gender here]ship between you two.

Yeah, no, one of the things I like a lot about the Dynasty forums is that there really is a critical mass of people (along with lots of others) who are truly interested in exchanging ideas about the stories and learning from each others' thoughts.

Literally the reason why I stay away from the mangadex comment section. Btw, they removed both the Yuri and Shoujo-ai tag recently, I'm happy, but I wonder what caused that to happen.

Palmfire posted:

Btw, they removed both the Yuri and Shoujo-ai tag recently, I'm happy, but I wonder what caused that to happen.

Most likely angry people complaining that it's not yuri and feeling mislead.

Manga gay, IMO

Anyway if the boys were meant to serve any purpose beyond a cameo and/or visual proof that Konatsu has kouhai to look after, we probably would have gotten at least a name by now - especially if we're really heading into the final arc. I'm not sure the taller guy's even had a line yet.

Manga gay, IMO

Anyway if the boys were meant to serve any purpose beyond a cameo and/or visual proof that Konatsu has kouhai to look after, we probably would have gotten at least a name by now - especially if we're really heading into the final arc. I'm not sure the taller guy's even had a line yet.

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/nettaigyo_wa_yuki_ni_kogareru_ch27#7

He’s literally had one lol.

I wouldn’t denote these guys as kouhai extras just yet, the mangaka puts everything in here for a reason. Remember the girls who were talking about all you can eat in ch 2? They actually show up later, always serving the purpose as a contrast to Koyuki, a representation of who she wants to be:

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/nettaigyo_wa_yuki_ni_kogareru_ch02#5
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/nettaigyo_wa_yuki_ni_kogareru_ch21#20
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/nettaigyo_wa_yuki_ni_kogareru_ch23#19

Looking at the last panel, Koyuki standing up to her means so much more, because this girl has been littered through the manga as that representation of her ideal self (socially). The fact that the author thought out this little extra thing makes the scene in ch 23 much more special, as it makes Koyuki look THAT much side of the person she actually wants to be. I’m expecting something similar with the kouhai, probably not like a confession or whatever (although Koyuki is popular with guys) but something about them might come back later.

Man, this is so much more than a friendship

Man, this is so much more than a friendship

It’s super-friendship.

Friends who should kiss

Man, this is so much more than a friendship

It’s super-friendship.

This summer, witness the beginning of an exciting new story! Confused teenage girls by day, and even more confused teenage girls by night, Konatsu Amano and Koyuki Honami star as Captain Frog and Admiral Salamander in a tale of heroism, friendship, growth, friendship, and also friendship! Watch as they defend their cozy coastal Japanese town from dastardly rogues like Social Anxiety, Mixed Feelings, Obligatory Last-Minute Male Love Interests and the occasional angry Dynasty poster demanding more yuri! Prepare for Feelings, Conversations (Or a Lack Thereof), Vague Amphibian Metaphors, Emotional Swashbuckling and Derring-Do! Coming soon to a bookstore near you (placed under the Shoujo, Aye Section).

Man, this is so much more than a friendship

It’s super-friendship.

This summer, witness the beginning of an exciting new story! Confused teenage girls by day, and even more confused teenage girls by night, Konatsu Amano and Koyuki Honami star as Captain Frog and Admiral Salamander in a tale of heroism, friendship, growth, friendship, and also friendship! Watch as they defend their cozy coastal Japanese town from dastardly rogues like Social Anxiety, Mixed Feelings, Obligatory Last-Minute Male Love Interests and the occasional angry Dynasty poster demanding more yuri! Prepare for Feelings, Conversations (Or a Lack Thereof), Vague Amphibian Metaphors, Emotional Swashbuckling and Derring-Do! Coming soon to a bookstore near you (placed under the Shoujo, Aye Section).

You forgot the blushing. There will be blushing—blushing in extraordinary quantities.

Man, this is so much more than a friendship

It’s super-friendship.

This summer, witness the beginning of an exciting new story! Confused teenage girls by day, and even more confused teenage girls by night, Konatsu Amano and Koyuki Honami star as Captain Frog and Admiral Salamander in a tale of heroism, friendship, growth, friendship, and also friendship! Watch as they defend their cozy coastal Japanese town from dastardly rogues like Social Anxiety, Mixed Feelings, Obligatory Last-Minute Male Love Interests and the occasional angry Dynasty poster demanding more yuri! Prepare for Feelings, Conversations (Or a Lack Thereof), Vague Amphibian Metaphors, Emotional Swashbuckling and Derring-Do! Coming soon to a bookstore near you (placed under the Shoujo, Aye Section).

Best post in this thread.
EDIT: you forgot the hot and thoughtful dads

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EDIT: you forgot the hot and thoughtful dads

We honestly need a spinoff based on the dads. I'm thinking something like- A Tropical Chad Yearns for Bros.

Just gonna casually run my fingers through my senpai's hair while she sleeps... as friends