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joined Mar 28, 2021

I've liked Osawa's previous series but this one unfortunately did not live up to its potential. Going into it knowing it ended at only ten chapters I knew to not expect much and I was right to keep my expectations low. It's a shame because as others have pointed out, the bones of a potentially good story were there but this just wasn't very compelling for me in the end.

I would have liked to see a bit more between Hikaru and Hana so that I could at least understand why Hikaru ditched for her (beyond her childhood memories) and especially why does Hana want Hikaru that badly? But whatever.

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joined Jul 3, 2025

I love Osawa-sensei's work, but I hate this manga.
I'm looking forward to read her next project. Even if it turns out to be a not-so-great manga, it'll still be much better than this. A blank page is much better than this.

Shoink
joined Jun 10, 2023

Am I right in thinking that the subtle change in the letter sign off was first some sort of "see you around" type farewell, while the one she decided on was "Sayonara" which implies a true ending? Like she was staying ambiguous at first, then decided to commit to ending it entirely
I'm pretty sure that's what is going for, but it's one of those things that sound similar enough when put in english I just wanna make sure if I'm picking up on the nuances
But yeah I liked this one. Everyone's a mess, I dont like how it ended up, but idk it's fun to see a story where you can see the bed each of them made, and have to wonder how they'll feel when they finally lay in it. Like a 7/10

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joined May 21, 2021

I love Osawa-sensei's work, but I hate this manga.
I'm looking forward to read her next project. Even if it turns out to be a not-so-great manga, it'll still be much better than this. A blank page is much better than this.

She has one ongoing series. It's call Harassment ga Kowai Maki-senpai!

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joined Sep 10, 2022

Am I right in thinking that the subtle change in the letter sign off was first some sort of "see you around" type farewell, while the one she decided on was "Sayonara" which implies a true ending? Like she was staying ambiguous at first, then decided to commit to ending it entirely

I remember it being something like that. I don't think it was "see you around though."

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joined Jul 15, 2016

I am gonna join the "I liked the author's earlier works, but this one didn't really land with me" club.

joined Feb 25, 2025

I understand that people tend to analyze these things as a 1:1 with reality, but the divorce scene is more to show how they both move forward. Hikaru decided to elope, she made her decision, while he decided to wait, but move on. It's less about being selfish and just an artistic way of showing decisiveness without being textual.
Both move forward, one leaving everything behind to start over and the other embracing everything to start over.

joined Apr 1, 2018

That was such a quick flip, it's almost ridiculous. I mean, I get Hikaru loved Hana, but the speed at which she just poofs makes me wonder if the artist was given notice that it wouldn't be going anywhere and so the ending is rushed?

joined Jun 17, 2025

Am I right in thinking that the subtle change in the letter sign off was first some sort of "see you around" type farewell, while the one she decided on was "Sayonara" which implies a true ending? Like she was staying ambiguous at first, then decided to commit to ending it entirely
I'm pretty sure that's what is going for, but it's one of those things that sound similar enough when put in english I just wanna make sure if I'm picking up on the nuances

if I had to guess, she had likely written ittekimasu, which is the usual departure greeting one gives when leaving home. it has the most common translation of "I'm off" which lines up with what Pavane have writ here
my guess is she wrote it habitually, and then realized the contradictory nature of starting the letter with "I dont think I'll return" and then signing off with ittekimasu (ittekimasu is a compound of go and come, and thus implies a return)

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joined Apr 25, 2020

This is insane, seeing that divorce petition really shocked me too. It's insane she chose to divorce her husband and throw it all away just like that. It also hurts because Harutaka was a good guy and I can't help but wonder why she chose Hana over him, but it's fine I guess. It's also insane because throughout the story you don't really get to see or learn of Hikaru's sexuality, it's not so evident, so she straight up going for a divorce means explicitly she knew her feelings for Hana were romantic, even if that wasn't exactly shown or developed either.

While I think it's rushed, I like how decided the characters in this manga are and how keen the author is on driving the story where they want even if it means hurting characters that haven't done anything wrong (that's life I guess) and it still doesn't feel unrealistic

joined Jul 23, 2025

Did anyone else feel Hana choose to be with Hikaru because she knew would never leave her. I never felt that Hana love Hikaru, she just didn't want to be alone and never Hikaru would never leave her like her husband did. Even in Hikaru's childhood memories never should Hana loving her romantically (at least from what I can remember).

joined May 9, 2017

Did anyone else feel Hana choose to be with Hikaru because she knew would never leave her. I never felt that Hana love Hikaru, she just didn't want to be alone and never Hikaru would never leave her like her husband did. Even in Hikaru's childhood memories never should Hana loving her romantically (at least from what I can remember).

We basically know nothing about Hana, but it's plausible indeed.

Honestly, I think the last two chapters were pretty good and interesting if .... We didn't have the story we had before those chapters. And ending like that is not common, and what can push people to start over while cutting all ties is an interesting point of view to have. But the leading to that end it was terrible. I would have liked to read a good story that leads to that ending.

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joined Nov 25, 2020

Sorry, Mr. Comphet, it was never meant to be.

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joined Jan 30, 2017

Wait, this is how it ends?!

Such a shame. It started out interesting but the ending is really insipid.

Hinataskype
joined May 26, 2011

At the very least she didn't try to twist it like the guy was a piece of shit or the girl was like this supreme better option. She went into a worse relationship. Something unstable. Something that could easily snap.

I don't like the story written here but it's partially because it's also painfully realistic in many regards. Someone choosing essentially an emotionally abusive relationship over something stable and healthy because they can't see it for what it is. Heartbreaking.

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joined Sep 13, 2025

why the hell did he burn the divorce papers. that was a pretty selfish move?

The note with the divorce papers is "Please handle this however you want." Hikaru wasn't demanding a divorce from him, she was giving him the option. The marriage is a much bigger millstone around Harutaka's neck than around hers since it makes it harder for him to date someone else, while Hikaru and Hana don't care.

Burning the divorce papers is an "I will wait for you" declaration, but he can't actually force her to come back.

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joined Mar 21, 2025

Dunno what’s that going to get people to feel, but I still like the pacing and the feelings from the characters’ mental monologues, plus the camera language. Very subtle feelings, but it feels genuine. Real life is just often quiet, and can convey more beneath the lines.

I still stand by what I said before, though. She really thought it through, threw away the six pence, and went to chase the moon.

I guess I shouldn’t be surprised when I saw how they’ve been married but still don’t feel like there’s … “passion”, for a lack of a better word.

Anywho, I hope she finds her spark!

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joined Jul 3, 2025

She has one ongoing series. It's call Harassment ga Kowai Maki-senpai!

Thank you for the info!

joined Oct 2, 2025

At the very least she didn't try to twist it like the guy was a piece of shit or the girl was like this supreme better option. She went into a worse relationship. Something unstable. Something that could easily snap.

I don't like the story written here but it's partially because it's also painfully realistic in many regards. Someone choosing essentially an emotionally abusive relationship over something stable and healthy because they can't see it for what it is. Heartbreaking.

Your 2 sentences contradict each other out.
Hikaru chose the worse relationship while seeing it clearly for what it is, unstable and could easily snap, just like you said, just like what Hikaru admitted, this is what it's like to "follow your heart".

Not trying to advocate for abusive relationships in a way, I guess this is just a painfully raw sentiment the author wants to tell. What a life, huh!

joined Oct 2, 2025

Did anyone else feel Hana choose to be with Hikaru because she knew would never leave her. I never felt that Hana love Hikaru, she just didn't want to be alone and never Hikaru would never leave her like her husband did. Even in Hikaru's childhood memories never should Hana loving her romantically (at least from what I can remember).

I feel exactly like that. And I bet Hikaru also feels the same.

Toxic fucked up yuri, my beloved.

joined Oct 2, 2025

Overall I liked the story and enjoyed Hikaru and Hana's relationship, but I wished the last 2 chapters focused more on Hikaru and Hana's thoughts/life than on Harutaka's. That's the only meh thing for me. I really wanted to get more into Hana's head!

I agree, I can see what the story wants to tell, but too much sentiment is spent on feeling bad for Harutaka.

I'm not sure what its goal is anymore.

Maybe the writing was off the hook without realizing it, maybe this is meant to be, we have to see the final to conclude.

Hinataskype
joined May 26, 2011

At the very least she didn't try to twist it like the guy was a piece of shit or the girl was like this supreme better option. She went into a worse relationship. Something unstable. Something that could easily snap.

I don't like the story written here but it's partially because it's also painfully realistic in many regards. Someone choosing essentially an emotionally abusive relationship over something stable and healthy because they can't see it for what it is. Heartbreaking.

Your 2 sentences contradict each other out.
Hikaru chose the worse relationship while seeing it clearly for what it is, unstable and could easily snap, just like you said, just like what Hikaru admitted, this is what it's like to "follow your heart".

Not trying to advocate for abusive relationships in a way, I guess this is just a painfully raw sentiment the author wants to tell. What a life, huh!

I didnt. She followed her heart thinking in some small way she could fix Hana by being there. She does know it could end but she still blindly thinks she can keep it from happening just by being there. She's severely in denial in many regards. Those who are abused know it's likely going to happen again but it doesn't contradict her blinding herself from the truth that she can never actually fix Hana and be what she needs. Hikaru is ultimately going to end up alone and doesn't see what it's going to cause for her, becuase who in their right mind would ever give her a second chance. No one deserves what she's going through but she's going to be miserable while everyone else can move on and still be happy.

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joined Jul 10, 2016

At the very least she didn't try to twist it like the guy was a piece of shit or the girl was like this supreme better option. She went into a worse relationship. Something unstable. Something that could easily snap.

I don't like the story written here but it's partially because it's also painfully realistic in many regards. Someone choosing essentially an emotionally abusive relationship over something stable and healthy because they can't see it for what it is. Heartbreaking.

You know what, if this was the express intent of the manga, and it wasn't just rushed to a weird end, I would actually respect it. "Here's a depressingly realistic and not uncommon story of how people treat each other poorly and make bad decisions. But now you get to examine such a situation from the outside and understand the major players and motivations."

It would have much more merit and value, this way -- an object lesson and a way to understand those involved a little better.

I hope this to be the case.

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joined May 29, 2019

What bothers me the most is how Hana is portrayed. From the easy going, playful and manipulatrice girl, to a harmless little girl? That's weird. That doesn't match and worse, this is extremely infantilizing. As if she wasn't responsible for her actions, and she was only acting that way because of how she was treated before. Even with a longer development, I'm not sure I would have accepted that. The girl is 35, not a teenager anymore.

Yeah, feeling like that too. A weird character where I almost never saw a compelling expression on her face. There's not enough in the narrative to get me close to understanding her, even with the main character spelling out what she thinks of her. "She's like a newborn" oh huh? She is? Leaves me feeling like that. Maybe it's realistic, like the frustration when a friend is dating someone and you can't wrap your head around why lmao. But I don't know if that was the intent.

Ultimately I either wanted more of Hana's inner thoughts, or maybe remove it entirely and leave her up to interpretation. Cause what we got added up oddly for me.

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joined Jan 11, 2022

The amount of people who have hate for Harutaka is wild, borderline misandry. She may be comphet but that's not his fault, she never talked to him about anything and then eloped with some older woman she obsessed over her whole life. (Also the age gap is creepy for him but not for her also older childhood crush apparently.)

She actually throws her ring into the ocean, symbolically throwing away her entire life and relationship with Harutaka who was shown to be nothing if not kind during their marriage and tolerant of her childhood obsession.

That aside, I am also in the "This is not her best work" camp as far as the author is concerned, I think the reason I feel strongly enough to comment on how much of a trainwreck this manga is that it started out fairly promising and is ending so inexplicably poorly.

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