Ch 11. Natori: I want you to want me.
Ch 12 Lapis: Okay, I want you.
Natori: what da hell?

N: I didn't mean it like that!
L: too late, your ass is mine!

Best summary of the latest chapter so far. :-)

The sexual tension that carried over from the last chapter, and then Lapis shamelessly flirting with Natori in front of other people... Nekotaro's vision is paying off handsomely. But while Lapis is more than satisfied with basking in Natori's presence, Natori has a different idea of what it means to cherish, as Natori now clearly wants to find a way for her mistress to live, so there's juicy conflict brewing between them already.

Just so we're clear, Natori DOESN'T want to be Lapis' spoiled pet, that she dotes on and shamelessly flirts with, in front of everyone? I can respect her feelings on wanting to be needed and trusted.

Can we just trade places though?

i got curious and bought/read the raws for 13 and 14 bc chapter 12 has me dying and im still dying now anyways does anyone want the raws

I do, I very much do

im losing my shit

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im losing my shit

Oh shit you've got me losing my shit too now

last edited at Oct 31, 2023 9:08PM by drpepperfan

im losing my shit

Oh shit you've got me losing my shit too now

oh damn DRAMA i'm losing it too

im losing my shit

Oh shit you've got me losing my shit too now

oh damn DRAMA i'm losing it too

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Man, why post raws ? The team is decently fast to do the chapter to not have to discuss raws because some of you can't wait more than a few weeks.

[Talk Removed, sorry]

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Hey, apologies but I removed the raw discussion. While I respect and am happy that you all used spoiler tags to avoid spoiling stuff for people, considering that the series is very much being worked on right now at a good pace, I think it would be best to avoid raw discussions altogether. Apologies, but thank you all for properly tagging the chat.

I wonder; now that Lapis is more showy with her affections for Natori, and Natori seemingly returning those feelings (tho she doesn’t quite realize what they are just yet), will Diana go the jealousy route/become the antagonist for Natori’s affections? I can see a drastic change in that instead of the Prince killing Lapis like in the original game, it could be Diana instead. And at that point Natori would have to make a choice between Lapis or Diana.

@drpepperfan I respect and accept your administrative decision, but I cannot help but be made uneasy by the arbitrariness of it. I have engaged in a good-faith discussion of this thread's main topic, following the site policies to the best of my understanding (even though spoiler-tagging future chapters is not even a codified forum rule, as far as I can tell), only to have it excised from existence. That feels unfair to me, and I would like to avoid situations like this in the future.

Did I understand you correctly that the current policy regarding discussions of chapters that have not been uploaded yet is as follows: "Users may discuss the contents of the chapters not yet available on the Dynasty Reader, unless the series is being uploaded at a good pace and as long as any such discussion is tagged as spoilers"? If so, I respectfully request a clarification on what is considered "a good pace" (e.g. how much time must pass since the last upload here for discussions of newer chapters to be okay?). I firmly believe that making all rules of conduct unambiguous and public will improve the quality of discussion in the long term.

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I adore this recurrent theme in the story. The idea that the game had such a shallow interpretation of the characters and their relationships, and that the background characters you didn’t even get to see had a major impact on their lives. But that does kind of imply that, since the main beats of the story are still in place, we’re still on the train to doomsville. XD

I feel like I know exactly where this is going. The author is doing an excellent job laying out the foundation for the upcoming plot, so I really don’t expect any major surprises, but it feels self indulgent and lovely to read regardless. In much the same vein as the theme - even though I know where it’s going - I want to see the way their relationships grow and enjoy the journey getting there.

I feel like I know exactly where this is going. The author is doing an excellent job laying out the foundation for the upcoming plot, so I really don’t expect any major surprises, but it feels self indulgent and lovely to read regardless. In much the same vein as the theme - even though I know where it’s going - I want to see the way their relationships grow and enjoy the journey getting there.

Please tell it then. I'd really love to know because the plot in each recent chapters surprises me. I can't guess where it'll lead to. Thanks.

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I feel like we're the ones who's getting spoiled in this chapter.

Oh my god they’re so gay I love them

Ch 11. Natori: I want you to want me.
Ch 12 Lapis: Okay, I want you.
Natori: what da hell?

N: I didn't mean it like that!
L: too late, your ass is mine!

This is lore accurate. These are the summaries we want.

I'm surprised at how much I'm liking this series, having a villainess actually being an evil bitch is a refreshing change of pace. And is funny how Natori is turning Diana gay by accident.

Plus you know, that delicious age gap

Diana is cute and good intentioned, but I can't root for someone that after all this time still can't say her crushes name right nor makes any attempt to try. Like, Lapis makes a lot of effort to get to know Natori, even if in the beginning only to manipulate her. Diana has really only been receiving. Even this right here is an example of her not really interested in knowing what Natori wants, but more about competing with the person she views as her rival. Realistically, she's kind of a shitty suitor.

Diana is going to be the villainess in Lapis' place, isn't she?

Diana is cute and good intentioned, but I can't root for someone that after all this time still can't say her crushes name right nor makes any attempt to try. Like, Lapis makes a lot of effort to get to know Natori, even if in the beginning only to manipulate her. Diana has really only been receiving. Even this right here is an example of her not really interested in knowing what Natori wants, but more about competing with the person she views as her rival. Realistically, she's kind of a shitty suitor.

I've already read that Diana's mistake with Natori's name is not because she has a lack of desire to say her name correctly, but rather the difference in status, If you notice, the only people who got Natori's name wrong so far were people with low status, because for these people the pronunciation of Natori's name is complicated so they say "Natalie" unintentionally.

I wonder; now that Lapis is more showy with her affections for Natori, and Natori seemingly returning those feelings (tho she doesn’t quite realize what they are just yet), will Diana go the jealousy route/become the antagonist for Natori’s affections? I can see a drastic change in that instead of the Prince killing Lapis like in the original game, it could be Diana instead. And at that point Natori would have to make a choice between Lapis or Diana.

Well

Diana is cute and good intentioned, but I can't root for someone that after all this time still can't say her crushes name right nor makes any attempt to try. Like, Lapis makes a lot of effort to get to know Natori, even if in the beginning only to manipulate her. Diana has really only been receiving. Even this right here is an example of her not really interested in knowing what Natori wants, but more about competing with the person she views as her rival. Realistically, she's kind of a shitty suitor.

I think it was mentioned somewhere by the mangaka that because Lapis and Gran are nobles (and thus have received more formal and strict education), they are fluent in more languages and can capture accents and dialects better than the average person. Natori... despite not being all too difficult to pronounce, is a foreign name, which is why it's supposedly harder on Diana to get the pronunciation down right. Also, they're probably not speaking Japanese in that world, so maybe something else is at play here. I dunno, but I'm choosing to believe this explanation.

EDIT: Oops, ended up posting this comment a little late, but point still stands, haha.

On a side note, I like how Diana actually gives off "main character" vibes instead of getting sidelined in a way. A lot of villainess manga I read simply tell us "oh, that girl over there is the main heroine, but anyway..." and then the villainess proceeds to take over and derail the story until we don't see the heroine anymore, but I like that Diana is still the "hero" and that this is still "her" story in a way.

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I wonder; now that Lapis is more showy with her affections for Natori, and Natori seemingly returning those feelings (tho she doesn’t quite realize what they are just yet), will Diana go the jealousy route/become the antagonist for Natori’s affections? I can see a drastic change in that instead of the Prince killing Lapis like in the original game, it could be Diana instead. And at that point Natori would have to make a choice between Lapis or Diana.

Well

Well

Diana is cute and good intentioned, but I can't root for someone that after all this time still can't say her crushes name right nor makes any attempt to try. Like, Lapis makes a lot of effort to get to know Natori, even if in the beginning only to manipulate her. Diana has really only been receiving. Even this right here is an example of her not really interested in knowing what Natori wants, but more about competing with the person she views as her rival. Realistically, she's kind of a shitty suitor.

I've already read that Diana's mistake with Natori's name is not because she has a lack of desire to say her name correctly, but rather the difference in status, If you notice, the only people who got Natori's name wrong so far were people with low status, because for these people the pronunciation of Natori's name is complicated so they say "Natalie" unintentionally.

If that's the case then the author has done a bad job showing it. Like, even one short scene of Diana trying and failing to say it right and apologizing would at least go some way for that. I can be sympathetic to the idea that it is more difficult for those with less education to a point, but there's a difference between someone finding something difficult and someone not putting in any effort at all.

And as someone living in the US and born outside of it, I know my name is difficult to pronounce for Americans and give them leeway with that, not really expecting people to say it right. But I have different standards for an average person saying my name, like say the maids in earlier chapters, and someone that is romantically interested in me or even wants to be my friend.