Well, this explains a lot about Elsa's feelings and her always asking Evie to bully her. ^_^

The Elsa in Ch 14 doesn't seem like she remembers this incident, though. She regards Yvonne as just another stuck-up noble girl, and is surprised by the defense and "bullying".

im such a fucking sucker for arcs where people protect their SO's child self from abuse. ma heart.

That's because this incident didn't happen the first time around. That's the whole reason Yvonne was sent back. To plant additional flags. And despite the context changing, this won't significantly alter the events of the future (our present).
Yvonne will likely get zapped back to the future when she has doubts about sending Elsa to the orphanage. She'll get the paperwork done, then right as Elsa is about to enter the orphanage, she'll almost stop her, but get cucked by the ring.

That's because this incident didn't happen the first time around. That's the whole reason Yvonne was sent back. To plant additional flags. And despite the context changing, this won't significantly alter the events of the future (our present).

That is entirely not true, there's been enough foreshadowing for exactly this having happened, especially with the hints that there were events Evie didn't remember, which we now know is because at this time - which we are currently witnessing - time traveling Evie was borrowing her body.

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Why did Future Elsa seem to be on her actual last straw then. What

Why did Future Elsa seem to be on her actual last straw then. What

That we sadly don't know yet, but hopefully she'll explain as well. But for Evie, everything so far points at a proper time travel story where the changes she makes are exactly the ones that created the changes from the original game she was already experiencing before.

That's because this incident didn't happen the first time around. That's the whole reason Yvonne was sent back. To plant additional flags. And despite the context changing, this won't significantly alter the events of the future (our present).

That is entirely not true, there's been enough foreshadowing for exactly this having happened, especially with the hints that there were events Evie didn't remember, which we now know is because at this time - which we are currently witnessing - time traveling Evie was borrowing her body.

This is what I believe as well. That the time travel affects those Evie interacted with in the past, in the sense that those events did happen for them at that time, but Evie is just now experiencing them "for the first time". This will eventually lead to that promise that's been mentioned by Elsa before, and it'll be when Evie "remembers" that promise because for her, it'll be the first time she's making it.

There's a number of contradictions that I'm waiting to see if we get an explanation for. Elsa doesn't know who Yvonne is when they meet at school but remembers her from childhood. Yvonne can't tell Elsa her name but takes her back to her home with her so she obviously knows who she is. Time travel is always a headache of causality and while this isn't the worst example by far I'm of the firm opinion no story not specifically about time travel has ever been improved by the introduction of time travel

Okay but like the title "A petal of the golden orchid" actually goes SO hard-

@Kundara yeah the time travel was unnecessary imo if she isn't changing anything, and adds a bit of baggage that I'm not sold on to boot

@Kundara yeah the time travel was unnecessary imo if she isn't changing anything, and adds a bit of baggage that I'm not sold on to boot

The alleged point was to change other things, specifically the endless wave of demon attacks that Future!Elsa warned about. Basically, to turn off some monster faucet, so the existing attack (probably) still happens, but ones after it don't.

@Kundara yeah the time travel was unnecessary imo if she isn't changing anything, and adds a bit of baggage that I'm not sold on to boot

If she didn't time travel, everything we've seen until now would not exist and we would be in the standard game story with Elsa instead going for one of the original love interests. She does not change anything of the past we've seen, yes, but the changes to the original game storyline are significant.

There's a number of contradictions that I'm waiting to see if we get an explanation for. Elsa doesn't know who Yvonne is when they meet at school but remembers her from childhood. Yvonne can't tell Elsa her name but takes her back to her home with her so she obviously knows who she is. Time travel is always a headache of causality and while this isn't the worst example by far I'm of the firm opinion no story not specifically about time travel has ever been improved by the introduction of time travel

Elsa literally thinks about how she's been searching for the blonde girl who Evie reminds her of, and it takes her a little while to decide that yes, that is Evie. You can't say she doesn't remember her when she's clearly been mentioning a promise they made when they were little.

As for where Evie took Elsa back to: Elsa is a little kid, she's not exactly getting an address and committing it to memory. It's just "some noble house", and she doesn't know who Evie is in relation to that noble house, because she doesn't get told her name.

@Kundara yeah the time travel was unnecessary imo if she isn't changing anything, and adds a bit of baggage that I'm not sold on to boot

If she didn't time travel, everything we've seen until now would not exist and we would be in the standard game story with Elsa instead going for one of the original love interests. She does not change anything of the past we've seen, yes, but the changes to the original game storyline are significant.

Meh, I can't say I agree with everyone who makes this claim 100%.
If Evie had to go back to the past to make sure that she could go back to the variation timeline she was in, then they wouldn't have been in a predicament which needed to be "fixed" by Evie going back in time. She was actually supposed to change something, not just play out the parts of her life she couldn't remember.

Time travel is always a whacky ride, and I don't think criticisms of it thus far are valid, but at the same time invalid. Time travel plots get wrapped up at the end, and everything will never be tied into a neat bow because of how different people think about time travel. As long as the author stays true to the rules they established, then what happened in the time travel is correct and valid. Complaining about assumed time travel plotholes is useless because ... time travel doesn't exist. There are a lot of ways it may play out in fiction, not all of them perfect, you just have to go with it in order for the storyline to exist at all... A bit like time travel in itself, actually.

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@Kundara yeah the time travel was unnecessary imo if she isn't changing anything, and adds a bit of baggage that I'm not sold on to boot

If she didn't time travel, everything we've seen until now would not exist and we would be in the standard game story with Elsa instead going for one of the original love interests. She does not change anything of the past we've seen, yes, but the changes to the original game storyline are significant.

Meh, I can't say I agree with everyone who makes this claim 100%.
If Evie had to go back to the past to make sure that she could go back to the variation timeline she was in, then they wouldn't have been in a predicament which needed to be "fixed" by Evie going back in time. She was actually supposed to change something, not just play out the parts of her life she couldn't remember.

Time travel is always a whacky ride, and I don't think criticisms of it thus far are valid, but at the same time invalid. Time travel plots get wrapped up at the end, and everything will never be tied into a neat bow because of how different people think about time travel. As long as the author stays true to the rules they established, then what happened in the time travel is correct and valid. Complaining about assumed time travel plotholes is useless because ... time travel doesn't exist. There are a lot of ways it may play out in fiction, not all of them perfect, you just have to go with it in order for the storyline to exist at all... A bit like time travel in itself, actually.

I think so far there hasn't been something that had made thos specific time travel "incorrect". So far, Evie is doing what she's supposed to do in order to get to the point where she was before she time traveled. I agree that something has to change, but it's not something we've seen yet. With the hints we've gotten from previous chapters and how these last ones have been handled, we can pretty much assume which "type" of time travel were dealing with.

I initially thought the time travel would be to something more "recent" and we'd still see Teen Evie, but since we're seeing kid Evie, my theory is that the thing that will change is the promise between them that has been referenced before.

I think in the original timeline, Yvonne and Elsa never met as children, but in the first alternate timeline, from which Future Else we know hails, they met only briefly: effectively, only this scene has occurred, after which that timeline's Future Yvonne got a hold of herself and left Elsa wondering who that strange blonde was. Right now, Isekai'd Yvonne is creating a second alternate timeline, where her interactions with Elsa were much more extensive.

I am unable to care any less about causality in a cartoon, but did you see the little bows on her socks?!

I think in the original timeline, Yvonne and Elsa never met as children, but in the first alternate timeline, from which Future Else we know hails, they met only briefly: effectively, only this scene has occurred, after which that timeline's Future Yvonne got a hold of herself and left Elsa wondering who that strange blonde was. Right now, Isekai'd Yvonne is creating a second alternate timeline, where her interactions with Elsa were much more extensive.

I read the manhua all over again and in chapter 57, Elsa is talking about having her first kiss and making a promise with someone when they were kids but she was kind of disappointed that Yvonne didn’t remember. So we know that in the first alternate timeline, they did meet when they were kids and seemed pretty close but it wasn’t the Yvonne that was isekai’d because she didn’t know all of the villainess’ childhood.

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This chapter is like if the Matchstick Girl had a happy ending.

I think in the original timeline, Yvonne and Elsa never met as children, but in the first alternate timeline, from which Future Else we know hails, they met only briefly: effectively, only this scene has occurred, after which that timeline's Future Yvonne got a hold of herself and left Elsa wondering who that strange blonde was. Right now, Isekai'd Yvonne is creating a second alternate timeline, where her interactions with Elsa were much more extensive.

I read the manhua all over again and in chapter 57, Elsa is talking about having her first kiss and making a promise with someone when they were kids but she was kind of disappointed that Yvonne didn’t remember. So we know that in the first alternate timeline, they did meet when they were kids and seemed pretty close but it wasn’t the Yvonne that was isekai’d because she didn’t know all of the villainess’ childhood.

Could it be that for Evie, she doesn't remember because for the isekai'd Evie, it hasn't happened to her yet, even if technically this happened "in her childhood" due to how time travel is being handled. The ring future Elsa gave Evie is supposed to warn her if she's messing up the timeline too much, as it happened when Evie almost told Elsa her name, so that never happened. I do agree that Elsa's first kiss is with kid Evie and they made their promise (something like "let's marry when we're older"), and my theory is that this is the change that Evie will make that will alter the timeline, a new promise made between them.

despite the currently unresolved plot holes, i can't help but smile from those two :)

Normally, I'd have my lit major brain wondering about plot holes and inconsistencies. Alas, with this manhua only my queer brain is working............

okay assume this is a ‘closed loop’ and the ‘fated person’ mentioned earlier in the series was in fact Evie because she’s always cleared the original savior flag

this has crazy implications for the ‘Villaness System’

if she was the romantic lead from the beginning why did the Villaness System even kick in from the first place? maybe it’s related to the demon outbreak? maybe Evie herself set it up so that she’d arrive at a particular (gay) outcome in the future?

okay assume this is a ‘closed loop’ and the ‘fated person’ mentioned earlier in the series was in fact Evie because she’s always cleared the original savior flag

this has crazy implications for the ‘Villaness System’

if she was the romantic lead from the beginning why did the Villaness System even kick in from the first place? maybe it’s related to the demon outbreak? maybe Evie herself set it up so that she’d arrive at a particular (gay) outcome in the future?

You're working on the false assumption that she was intended as the romantic lead by the system. This is not the case, but rather a change caused by this time travel. The time travel being a proper closed loop does not mean the system did not originally mean for the prince to save Elsa instead, before time traveling Evie decided to tag along and do it herself.

Yvonne thinking "now I'll get her back for teasing me all this time" like girl this is the reason she's so ridiculously head over heels for you.