I wonder if someday will ever come for me? Sure fucking hope so.

OK, so the thing is, I can sort of see the girl wimping out and saying "Please just keep waiting" . . . but what I don't get is our usual viewpoint girl just saying OK and leaving it. I mean, how bloody obvious is it what she's asking her to wait for? Why doesn't she say "I know what you want to say and I want to say it too"?

Takes two to be neutron-star useless.

screams what the heckkkk lol

the comment section is wild lmaooo

It's like we forget it's a work of fiction lol but even so they're like 16 or whatever. MC has a bit of ptsd from her initial rejection dream and she just admitted to her feelings for the first time. Given what we know of her, she's liable to be frustratingly slow lol. This is her first rodeo at both love and with her female bestie at that.

Anyway, I love the range of expressions from this artist/author. It's so good lol

I'm squealing

If only Tsukushi had paid more attention to Sara was saying, she could just gauge her chances by probing Hinoka's thoughts on the other couple. :D

“Useless lesbians” has just about gone from being a narrative trope to an actual yuri sub-genre.

Romance manga in general are massively invested in the dynamic where if the characters just communicated like halfway normal human beings there would be no story (effective interpersonal communication can be difficult in many circumstances, but in some manga series a simple, “Wait, let me clarify what I meant” would bring the whole house of cards crashing down).

At this point, though, useless lesbian yuri stories are nearly as codified as shogi problems:

• A likes B and B likes A, but one or both of them are unaware of their own feelings.

• A likes B and knows it, but thinks B would be disgusted if they knew it.

• A and B are unaware that they’re totally into each other, but someone else (maybe everybody else) is aware of it, etc.

The issue is that (usually) readers are put in the position of knowing more than any of the characters know, and some people get so frustrated they start wishing for the story to not exist.

There's Also A likes B and B likes A but for some ungodly reason, it's decided that A is the one with the responsibility to confess first.
And the relationship enters and stalemate for months or a year... LoL I swear, if B says "You took too long!" I'm going to go bald

There's Also A likes B and B likes A but for some ungodly reason, it's decided that A is the one with the responsibility to confess first.
And the relationship enters and stalemate for months or a year... LoL I swear, if B says "You took too long!" I'm going to go bald

True. Not all theoretically possible shogi openings lead to productive play.

I understand most of what you said Blastaar, but I don't get how the analogy between what you said about uselessbian yuri and shogi problems works. Saying as someone who reads yuri nearly daily and occasionally plays shogi.

I understand most of what you said Blastaar, but I don't get how the analogy between what you said about uselessbian yuri and shogi problems works. Saying as someone who reads yuri nearly daily and occasionally plays shogi.

Sorry, BV, I thought it was pretty straightforward. “Useless lesbians” stories open with (usually) a pair of characters in certain “positions” in regard to their own feelings and to their awareness of their own feelings and to the feelings of the other person.

The story then proceeds to play out a finite set of variations including, but not limited to:

• Character realizes that they love the other one

• Character realizes the other one loves them

• Character reveals or hides their feelings

• False rival appears to spur character to confess

And so on.

Takes two to be neutron-star useless.

Well, binary neutron stars do tend to circle each other for hundreds of millions of years before finally going in for the merge, so that metaphor is even more appropriate than I first thought.

“Useless lesbians” has just about gone from being a narrative trope to an actual yuri sub-genre.

Romance manga in general are massively invested in the dynamic where if the characters just communicated like halfway normal human beings there would be no story (effective interpersonal communication can be difficult in many circumstances, but in some manga series a simple, “Wait, let me clarify what I meant” would bring the whole house of cards crashing down).

At this point, though, useless lesbian yuri stories are nearly as codified as shogi problems:

• A likes B and B likes A, but one or both of them are unaware of their own feelings.

• A likes B and knows it, but thinks B would be disgusted if they knew it.

• A and B are unaware that they’re totally into each other, but someone else (maybe everybody else) is aware of it, etc.

The issue is that (usually) readers are put in the position of knowing more than any of the characters know, and some people get so frustrated they start wishing for the story to not exist.

It's the same structure as an old episode of Columbo, basically.

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My sugar levels are of the charts with these too, i'm melting from cuteness

Well, at least she's come to terms with her own feelings.

And guys, the title/premise of the manga had to come back into play at some point lol. Obviously she would still have that underlying fear of rejection after her dream.

...“Useless lesbians” stories open with (usually) a pair of characters in certain “positions” in regard to their own feelings and to their awareness of their own feelings and to the feelings of the other person.

The story then proceeds to play out a finite set of variations including, but not limited to:

• Character realizes that they love the other one

• Character realizes the other one loves them

• Character reveals or hides their feelings

• False rival appears to spur character to confess

And so on.

I think I can agree with the "finite set of variations" if we're thinking strictly in formulae and patterns, but more often than not what makes a series is its minutiae and execution, so I don't think it's all that productive to make an overarching judgment of the useless-lesbians trope, which by the way I'm more than in favor of cementing useless lesbians as a genre. I mean, you can't really compare "Sekai de Ichiban Oppai ga Suki!" to "Useless Princesses", right?

It's the same structure as an old episode of Columbo, basically.

That's one hell of a fucking reference there. Nice.

Ah, it hurts! The fear of rejection. T_T

...“Useless lesbians” stories open with (usually) a pair of characters in certain “positions” in regard to their own feelings and to their awareness of their own feelings and to the feelings of the other person.

The story then proceeds to play out a finite set of variations including, but not limited to:

• Character realizes that they love the other one

• Character realizes the other one loves them

• Character reveals or hides their feelings

• False rival appears to spur character to confess

And so on.

I think I can agree with the "finite set of variations" if we're thinking strictly in formulae and patterns, but more often than not what makes a series is its minutiae and execution, so I don't think it's all that productive to make an overarching judgment of the useless-lesbians trope, which by the way I'm more than in favor of cementing useless lesbians as a genre. I mean, you can't really compare "Sekai de Ichiban Oppai ga Suki!" to "Useless Princesses", right?

Not sure where the “overarching judgement” part comes from—all I’m saying is that at this point “uselessness” in yuri is becoming less simply a character type (like “tsundere”) that can be inserted almost anywhere (although it also remains that) and more like a story type that can ring any number of changes along the “awareness,” “self-awareness,” and “confession” trajectories (among others).

My main point had to do with the audience reaction to that story type—since usually for much of the story readers are put in the position of being substantially more aware of the characters’ feelings than they are themselves (or are willing to admit to themselves or to others), some readers quickly get frustrated with the inherent delay and start scolding the characters for being “cowards” and telling them to “grow some ovaries,” etc. Which for these kinds of stories is basically wishing the story away.

idiot couple can be, to an extent, an acquired taste.
I used to react negatively to it and get annoyed by those series, be it in manga and anime. Maybe it was for a perceived lack of alternatives but now I kinda like it. PBMMV, Hino-san (please don't tell me I'll have to read it elsewhere...), Childhood Friend, Hijiki's works, I've found quite a few that appeal to me.

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idiot couple can be, to an extent, an acquired taste.
I used to react negatively to it and get annoyed by those series, be it in manga and anime. Maybe it was for a perceived lack of alternatives but now I kinda like it. PBMMV, Hino-san (please don't tell me I'll have to read it elsewhere...), Childhood Friend, Hijiki's works, I've found quite a few that appeal to me.

Also for me the one I can never remember the title of, where one of a pair of best friends keeps making increasingly yuri-esque gestures while protesting that their behavior is “just normal.”

I’m sure some kind soul has that title at hand.

idiot couple can be, to an extent, an acquired taste.
I used to react negatively to it and get annoyed by those series, be it in manga and anime. Maybe it was for a perceived lack of alternatives but now I kinda like it. PBMMV, Hino-san (please don't tell me I'll have to read it elsewhere...), Childhood Friend, Hijiki's works, I've found quite a few that appeal to me.

Also for me the one I can never remember the title of, where one of a pair of best friends keeps making increasingly yuri-esque gestures while protesting that their behavior is “just normal.”

I’m sure some kind soul has that title at hand.

https://dynasty-scans.com/series/you_are_totally_in_love_with_me_arent_you

idiot couple can be, to an extent, an acquired taste.
I used to react negatively to it and get annoyed by those series, be it in manga and anime. Maybe it was for a perceived lack of alternatives but now I kinda like it. PBMMV, Hino-san (please don't tell me I'll have to read it elsewhere...), Childhood Friend, Hijiki's works, I've found quite a few that appeal to me.

Also for me the one I can never remember the title of, where one of a pair of best friends keeps making increasingly yuri-esque gestures while protesting that their behavior is “just normal.”

I’m sure some kind soul has that title at hand.

https://dynasty-scans.com/series/you_are_totally_in_love_with_me_arent_you

That’s it—thanks. As I think I’ve said over there, that one has surprising legs for a one-note gag series.

Also for me the one I can never remember the title of, where one of a pair of best friends keeps making increasingly yuri-esque gestures while protesting that their behavior is “just normal.”

I guess another one in a similar vein that one might include would be After School, because french kissing is exactly what platonic girl friends do after school, right?

I guess another one in a similar vein that one might include would be After School, because french kissing is exactly what platonic girl friends do after school, right?

After School is just some other yuri manga photocopied in reverse order so the kiss is at the front rather than the back. You can't fool me.

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Damn. Lock the 2 in a room. They can only get out again when they have confessed their love to each other or have kissed