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Kurt
joined Aug 11, 2014

Adding to what Cornonthekopp said about the theme of "S vs Yuri", I think there's another important theme: can an artificial relationship work? Can a relationship where both people are pretending come to any good, or will it only result in harm?

Every relationship in this story started by patterning on fictional relationships: Hanamonogatari for everyone except Yamabe and Mia, who made up their own Desk Ghost story. Of the four relationships so far, we can divide them into two categories (using the jargon developed in this thread):

Sunflowers: Kasumi & Haruyo, Yamabe & Mia
Box cutters: Sayori & Mizuki, Aoyama & Yurika

What I've noticed is that the happier relationships have aspects that explicitly marked the role play aspects as such. Kasumi and Haruyo switch ribbons and speaking styles when engaging in the "S" relationship. Yamabe and Mia converse in letters to and from a ghost. There's no mistaking where the pretend relationship ends and the real relationship begins. The aquarium date has both Kasumi and Haruyo out of character and out of costume, so they can speak to each other as themselves and know this isn't part of the game. Haruyo even talks about why she plays the Onee-san role. It also helps that Haruyo is actually the younger one, so the Older/Younger Sister dynamic is consciously manufactured by both of them.

This is similar to how actors in a play can have fake emotions and fake relationships night after night and not be hurt when the play ends. What happens onstage is not real, so the emotions and relationships can be left behind when offstage.

The other advantage of having explicit boundaries around the pretend part is that it allows for renegotiating the relationship, as in Yamabe and Mia's relationship once they meet again. Even if Mia was annoyed that they never met in school, their reconnection was still a happy occasion because neither of them were hurt when the pretend relationship ended.

The box cutter pairs had no such boundaries. Well, Sayori and Mizuki, certainly didn't. I'm predicting this will also be the case for Aoyama and Yurika.

Though, Sayori and Mizuki may have started by explicitly calling their relationship "S", it didn't stay that way. They acted like lovers all the time, from secret waves at school to more physical intimacy. There was no separation between "onstage" and "offstage" behavior. When Mizuki said she was looking for 2-person apartments, Sayori was surprised since she expected this game to end at graduation. It wasn't supposed to be a real relationship, and she wasn't going to let a game stop her from going to the college she wanted to go to. Mizuki thought it was a real relationship, and put up with her hardships at college on the expectation that her girlfriend would join her. This mismatch caused expectations to be unmet, which led to the violence.

The danger of a pretend relationship is that, without explicit boundaries, pretend feelings can quickly become real. If that doesn't happen for both people at the same time, somebody's going to get hurt.

Kurt
joined Aug 11, 2014

It's complete over on MangaDex.

Kurt
joined Aug 11, 2014

^ Doesn't Mitsuki simply use watashi?

Usually yes, though she maybe used "ore" when she pretended to be a guy.

But why is she using "ore" in Aya's mind?

It could just be that "I'm going to walk my own path" is a badass line that requires "ore." "Watashi" or "boku" would undercut the badass vibe.

Kurt
joined Aug 11, 2014

The most important part of this chapter is that this app is real.

Kurt
joined Aug 11, 2014

Would Ikoku Nikki qualify for this poll? It's not exactly Yuri or Subtext. Even with the Lesbian sidecouple, that's not exactly the main focus.

MZH
Love Bullet discussion 21 Nov 04:40
Kurt
joined Aug 11, 2014

Since there's the Anime tag for series with anime adaptations, I think a Live-Action tag would be useful for series with live-action adaptations. The series I can think of so far are

Kurt
joined Aug 11, 2014

I don't agree that this story portrays martyrdom. It portrays compromises that people make for the ones they love. People are free to determine what are acceptable compromises and what are deal breakers.

  • A person likes living in a city near friends and family, but their partner gets a job in another city, so they move.
  • Or, the partner passes on the job.
  • Or, they break up.

  • A person likes a certain sexual act, but their partner isn't into it, so they decide to go without.

  • Or, the other partner decides to indulge.

  • Or, they break up.

All of these are valid choices. Compromise may produce resentment, or it may not. In this story, maybe Iori will come to feel comfortable with intimate touch that stops short of sex, or maybe not (I think this page is a good indicator). In any case, these two communicate honestly with each other, so things will probably work out for them.

...

OK, the instant forgiveness after forgetting the eggs is a bit martyrish. ;)

Kurt
joined Aug 11, 2014

Here's a site oddity that started around the same time as the email outage in 2022. It's not a big problem for me, but it might be a symptom of something. The number of items in the Chapters tab in my "To Read" list is off by 57. The number increases with new items and decreases when they are marked as read, but the offset is constant. See screenshot below:

Kurt
joined Aug 11, 2014

The notifications originally stopped for me in March 2022. I've received all email notifications to my gmail address for all tags and subscriptions since the server upgrades. Good work on the site (and the speediness of it)!

Kurt
joined Aug 11, 2014

Actually... does that formula really work like that?
Or is the heart shape an artistic liberty?
I'm not good at math, so I have no clue. Somebody good at math tell me.

It does work like that

You can even do it in Desmos if you convert it into its closed form first: \sqrt{1-x^{2}}+x^{\frac{2}{3}} and -\sqrt{1-x^{2}}+x^{\frac{2}{3}}.

The implicit firm works in desmos, as well.

Kurt
joined Aug 11, 2014

Once again, I'm calling for a SCIENCE! tag (and possibly a Math tag).

MZH
Kurt
joined Aug 11, 2014

Purple Library Guy's comment on realism reminds me of Ursula K. Le Guin's The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas.

The trouble is that we have a bad habit, encouraged by pedants and sophisticates, of considering happiness as something rather stupid. Only pain is intellectual, only evil interesting. This is the treason of the artist: a refusal to admit the banality of evil and the terrible boredom of pain. If you can’t lick ’em, join ’em. If it hurts, repeat it. But to praise despair is to condemn delight, to embrace violence is to lose hold of everything else. We have almost lost hold; we can no longer describe a happy man, nor make any celebration of joy.

Writing stories about awful people is not bad, and neither is liking such stories (I certainly do). But there should be nothing inherently unrealistic about a story with kind and happy people as opposed to one about mean and unhappy people.

MZH
Kurt
joined Aug 11, 2014

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/black_white_ch13#20 (bottom left panel)

These women work in private equity? No wonder they're all horrible people.

Also, kudos to the translators for making that line work.

Kurt
joined Aug 11, 2014

Wonder what her playlist is going to be??

I wonder if it'll be full of love songs~

I think math rock would be more appropriate, given the situation.

Kurt
joined Aug 11, 2014

But that LA smog…

... makes beautiful sunsets.

Kurt
joined Aug 11, 2014

I happened upon these troves of images by Sunstone author Stjepan Sejic and thought it was relevant to the interests of denizens here.

A taste from a twitter post:

The rest are scattered around his twitter feed. The following two links have gathered many of them together (with some duplication between them):

Trove #1: https://imgur.com/gallery/midAIaj
Trove #2: https://mediachomp.com/the-adventures-of-wonder-woman-and-lara-croft/

Kurt
joined Aug 11, 2014

Good stuff but also screw Japanese law when it comes to self defense.

Seriously,can't protect crap without getting random bull crap thrown at you.

Can you elaborate on this? I'm not familiar with Japanese law.

Kurt
joined Aug 11, 2014

If you were my mom, it'd be rather weird for my heart to be racing, right?

Weird? ... on this website?

Kurt
joined Aug 11, 2014

Please tell me there's more
Please tell me there's more
PLEASE TELL ME THERE'S MORE

Oh, there is more, TONS more! Here you go: https://manganelo.com/manga/gu918825

oof link dead

Mangadex has more.

Kurt
joined Aug 11, 2014

ふざけんな!!!

In Japanese, this is a strong way to tell a person to quit messing around, or it is a way to express your anger at someone else who you feel is being an idiot. It isn't polite at all.

Hence, my take on it.

Indeed, a very strong and impolite statement. :)

Kurt
joined Aug 11, 2014

I haven't been receiving chapters from my subscribed series to my To Read list, even though I started to receive email alerts for the same. I was wondering if I'm the only one experiencing this issue, or if this is an intentional update and I'm just out of the loop...

This is a known problem. Dynasty probably got flagged as possible spammers by major email providers and was blocked. It will probably require changing to a different mail hist to fix this.

Relevant admin post

MZH
Ikoku Nikki discussion 13 Dec 18:23
Kurt
joined Aug 11, 2014

Thanks to the translators for this. It's also impressive that the translation for the first chapter (without any future context) could be used unchanged in chapter 50. I only realized this because chapter 50 made me want to reread everything.

I don't think calling Makio nonchalant is accurate. She gives a lot of comfort and advice (often bluntly) to Asa and was rather effective in guiding Emiri during her uncertainty. Her introvertedness leaves her with a limited supply of energy for other people, but she's been kind and loving the whole time (despite her warning when she took Asa in).

Kurt
joined Aug 11, 2014

idiot couple can be, to an extent, an acquired taste.
I used to react negatively to it and get annoyed by those series, be it in manga and anime. Maybe it was for a perceived lack of alternatives but now I kinda like it. PBMMV, Hino-san (please don't tell me I'll have to read it elsewhere...), Childhood Friend, Hijiki's works, I've found quite a few that appeal to me.

Also for me the one I can never remember the title of, where one of a pair of best friends keeps making increasingly yuri-esque gestures while protesting that their behavior is “just normal.”

I’m sure some kind soul has that title at hand.

https://dynasty-scans.com/series/you_are_totally_in_love_with_me_arent_you