I'm mildly annoyed how few people are talking about the reversal here.

I find it super interesting with how it subverts expectations. You at first think that the abusive one is Kuzawa due to how she treats Mamiya but then it's revealed that Kuzawa is miserable doing this stuff but she'll get physically abused and rejected if she doesn't do it.

It's kinda messed up but at the same time morbidly fascinating.

Could have had more sex tbh

When was this drawn/published? I hope tmfly does more original one-shots.

Also that cunnilingus panel was really similar to one from So, Do You Want to Go Out, Or?

What could be worse than this to read today?...oh look, a new chapter of Kitanai Kimi ga Ichiban Kawaii, that'll do for sure!

This was all sorts of fucked up but it was a good read maybe reversal tag? Loving these angsty oneshots lately

That one’s getting filed under The Fuck, What.

last edited at Jul 18, 2021 7:46PM

Wait, who is the abuser here?

Wait, who is the abuser here?

i'm going with the both of them

This is disgusting......

I love it.....

Yeah...definitely not for me. I know Tmfly loves some fucked up broken relationships...but this is bizarrely excessive even for them.

Also unfortunate because I like their art and character designs...I just don't know if I've ever liked or enjoyed one their stories/works though.

Edit: Oh and I hate these types of stories with lines such as "I can never break free from her control", it's such an angst fueled defeatist attitude and only says to me that the author loves tragedy porn. It's not compelling or interesting to me, I know toxic relationships are very difficult, but I think stories like this just fetishize them more than anything.

Oh, no…

Oh, no…

Hmm?

last edited at Jul 18, 2021 8:44PM

Loved this a lot

Well, I've got to give it to tmfly to bringing some variety into yuri.....

Honestly I don't see the problem here. There is many, MANY way for a relationship to work. Sure this one is distasteful for most people but, if it works for them. The violence and abuse seem consensual, so live and let live, I say.

Honestly I don't see the problem here. There is many, MANY way for a relationship to work. Sure this one is distasteful for most people but, if it works for them. The violence and abuse seem consensual, so live and let live, I say.

This isn't one of the ways for a relationship to work, it's very unhealthy. It will honestly likely end in one of them killing the other, if not a murder suicide.

Jesus fucking christ what the fuck

I'm mildly annoyed how few people are talking about the reversal here.

I find it super interesting with how it subverts expectations. You at first think that the abusive one is Kuzawa due to how she treats Mamiya but then it's revealed that Kuzawa is miserable doing this stuff but she'll get physically abused and rejected if she doesn't do it.

It's kinda messed up but at the same time morbidly fascinating.

^this
Very clearly meant to be reversal that gradually gets worse and worse the more you read on. The revelation that Kuzawa loves her, but isn't allowed to act on those emotions in any way, even in a moment of supposed intimacy, is what really did me in. People on this site gotta realize that there are well written stories hidden in content that they may not like. Tmfly is a very talented writer, and she knows how to pack a complex narrative into a short format.

last edited at Jul 18, 2021 10:20PM

Honestly I don't see the problem here. There is many, MANY way for a relationship to work. Sure this one is distasteful for most people but, if it works for them. The violence and abuse seem consensual, so live and let live, I say.

This isn't one of the ways for a relationship to work, it's very unhealthy. It will honestly likely end in one of them killing the other, if not a murder suicide.

Why?

Edit I'm not being a smart ass, I can't really can see why?

Edit 2: Honestly how does a relationship like this even happen?! I mean think about it. Kuzawa hates Mamiya, but desides to accept Mamiya's confession anyway. They date for awhile, all along Kuzawa abuses and humiliates Mamiya constantly. Somewhere along the way Kuzawa actually falls in love with Mamiya. She wants to stop all the abuse, and be a normal couple, but feels trapped because of masochistic Mamiya will reject her if she shows her true feelings. Do you know how silly that is. I use to Hate you, but after years of building our relationship on me abusing and torturing you, I've grown to love you. Now I suddenly want you to completely change who you are, and turn your back on everything that our relationship was built on, so I can be together with the woman I fell in love with properly. That doesn't make any sense. And furthermore it's not fair to Mamiya.

last edited at Jul 18, 2021 10:59PM

I like the reversal aspect of this, but that's about it. This one falls headfirst into the usual trap for this kind of work, it just feels mean spirited, rather than deep or dark, or anything like that. Out of this recent glut of works about abuse we've had on here, I think this one is one of the worst.

i don´t think it s supossed to be deep i think it´s supossed to be crude, tbh i love this new wave of works. It so refreshing to see works that don´t romanticize or justify shitty behaviour and portray the character as deeply flawed and wounded indivuduals but also makes them fully responsible for their actions (like kitanai)

last edited at Jul 18, 2021 11:10PM

I'm mildly annoyed how few people are talking about the reversal here.

I find it super interesting with how it subverts expectations. You at first think that the abusive one is Kuzawa due to how she treats Mamiya but then it's revealed that Kuzawa is miserable doing this stuff but she'll get physically abused and rejected if she doesn't do it.

It's kinda messed up but at the same time morbidly fascinating.

^this
Very clearly meant to be reversal that gradually gets worse and worse the more you read on. The revelation that Kuzawa loves her, but isn't allowed to act on those emotions in any way, even in a moment of supposed intimacy, is what really did me in. People on this site gotta realize that there are well written stories hidden in content that they may not like. Tmfly is a very talented writer, and she knows how to pack a complex narrative into a short format.

I can usually acknowledge when a story is complex and well written even if I dislike it. I felt for me that this wasn't very complex and the meanness of it was shallow and fetishizing cruelty. I also it's fine if we don't agree here and I'm glad that you got more out of it than I did.

Why?

Edit I'm not being a smart ass, I can't really can see why?

Edit 2: Honestly how does a relationship like this even happen?! I mean think about it. Kuzawa hates Mamiya, but desides to accept Mamiya's confession anyway. They date for awhile, all along Kuzawa abuses and humiliates Mamiya constantly. Somewhere along the way Kuzawa actually falls in love with Mamiya. She wants to stop all the abuse, and be a normal couple, but feels trapped because of masochistic Mamiya will reject her if she shows her true feelings. Do you know how silly that is. I use to Hate you, but after years of building our relationship on me abusing and torturing you, I've grown to love you. Now I suddenly want you to completely change who you are, and turn your back on everything that our relationship was built on, so I can be together with the woman I fell in love with properly. That doesn't make any sense. And furthermore it's not fair to Mamiya.

Neither character is in the right, but it's not an actually functional relationship in my eyes. It's unhealthy all around, and I don't think either character is being rational so "not fair to Mamiya" goes out the window for me. How I see it is also that in the end Mamiya is the dominant abuser, and likely to be one doing the eventual murdering here. Of course we might see it differently and that's okay.

Edit:

i don´t think it s supossed to be deep i think it´s supossed to be crude, tbh i love this new wave of works. It so refreshing to see works that don´t romanticize or justify shitty behaviour and portray the character as deeply flawed and wounded indivuduals but also makes them fully responsible for their actions (like kitanai)

It's interesting how people have different perspectives here, because for me it was romanticizing and even fetishizing the shitty behavior and abuse of both characters.

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I don’t think “fetishizes” is really the right word to use in this situation. People are complex creatures and are more than capable of being sick individuals, and this story features two of them in a “relationship”. It isn’t really a tragedy in which an unknowing lover became a victim of abuse. She knew the other party had deep and dark issues since the start, but she partook in it, willingly, because she wanted to feel like she had control over someone she “despised”. In the end, no one’s completely innocent or a victim, since they’re both an abuser towards one another, so it doesn’t fetishize a domestic violence victim’s situation, but more so create a looking glass for an equally abusive relationship in which both ends are sick in the head, willingly partaking in a clearly unhealthy relationship.

That's a completely fair take, and I think an interesting perspective. I know I might be in the minority here, but for me it fetishizes it because it feels like the author is trying to simultaneously to make the audience go "wow this is really fucked up" but also "wow the toxic sex is hot".

I also don't think either of us are wrong, same goes for anybody I don't agree with here. The fun thing about works of fiction is that everyone can interpret the story and the author's intent differently. It's interesting to discuss how we all differ here.

last edited at Jul 19, 2021 12:05AM

I haven't read this yet, but I know it's going to hurt.

Edit: Did not.. expect that. At least it didn't hurt?

last edited at Jul 19, 2021 12:21AM

Well... this was an experience to read...

That's a completely fair take, and I think an interesting perspective. I know I might be in the minority here, but for me it fetishizes it because it feels like the author is trying to simultaneously to make the audience go "wow this is really fucked up" but also "wow the toxic sex is hot".

i mean i guess there´s people thar are into that kind of stuff but i think most people are thinking "wtf is wrong with these people" , i also think that while some people find it interesting almost no one is thinking "that was so hot i want a partner like that IRL" again maybe some people do but i don´t think that´s the intended reaction unlike other mangas like shoujo to kuro ouji or citrus

last edited at Jul 19, 2021 12:23AM

That's a completely fair take, and I think an interesting perspective. I know I might be in the minority here, but for me it fetishizes it because it feels like the author is trying to simultaneously to make the audience go "wow this is really fucked up" but also "wow the toxic sex is hot".

i mean i guess there´s people thar are into that kind of stuff but i think most people are thinking "wtf is wrong with these people" , i also think that while some people find it interesting almost no one is thinking "that was so hot i want a partner like that IRL" again maybe some people do but i don´t think that´s the intended reaction unlike other mangas like shoujo to kuro ouji or citrus

Yeah I've seen both Hentai and Manga that's even more disturbing than this sold with the intent to sexually gratify it's audience, personally I don't think it's impossible that the author of this work is going for the same type of reaction and gratification. However maybe people are right and it's not the type of audience this author is aiming for here, and I honestly I hope you're right.

last edited at Jul 19, 2021 12:58AM