Mai-chan is a good girl and Nanoha messed up big time.

Does Japanese have an equivalent of "fine"? (as in "is anything wrong?", "no, I'm FINE!") ;p because that's the pair of them :D

Does Japanese have an equivalent of "fine"? (as in "is anything wrong?", "no, I'm FINE!") ;p because that's the pair of them :D

I'm gonna guess "Betsuni"

StarDress posted:

slice of lice

That sounds like a rather disturbing genre, lol.

Beefaroni posted:

I'm honestly really happy with this development. A lot of times in mangas (mostly yuri), whenever someone gets jealous that their friend/girlfriend are getting close with someone, the friend/girlfriend gets all mopey and feels bad about it, so they end up apologizing, followed by the jealous person apologizing for being jealous. This just has Chidori being rightfully pissed off at Nanoha for bring immature. It feels realistic, especially since they're teenagers, so I'm on board with this "drama"

Yeah, I thought the same. They're not only teenage girls but inexperienced with dating to boot. Teenage girls find the dumbest and pettiest shit to argue over sometimes. (Well teenagers in general really, it just tends to be a bit more visible with girls in my experience.)

Also it was kinda hilarious that Mai was legitimately trying to help Chidori and ended up accidentally being the source of their fighting.

drama like this can so easily be frustrating but theyre being so pissy that its adorable really

I'm honestly really happy with this development. A lot of times in mangas (mostly yuri), whenever someone gets jealous that their friend/girlfriend are getting close with someone, the friend/girlfriend gets all mopey and feels bad about it, so they end up apologizing, followed by the jealous person apologizing for being jealous. This just has Chidori being rightfully pissed off at Nanoha for bring immature. It feels realistic, especially since they're teenagers, so I'm on board with this "drama"
Also, I really hope Mai gets a gf soon. She has a good heart being nice to Chidori, even though she loves Nanoha.

Exactly! I finally see a coherent comment. Couples fight all the time and almost always for nonsense, I also think that this is the first time that they fight, so it's normal to get carried away, surely this will help them improve their relationship, also for the issue of TRUST in each other.

I don't really like the "it's realistic" argument. Is talking about problems that unrealisitc for teenagers ? They are not really what i can call kids anymore, they are 2nd year of highschools. Meaning they are nearly adults, i get some people can have some communications problems but how 2 peoples talking about something that upset them is unrealistic ?

You just said it, they aren't children but they are NOT adults either, they are between those two stages, although the behavior of both is not justified and we are seeing that they're being very proud, but which couples have not gone through that?

They're so cute. Ha-ha.

They're so cute. Ha-ha.

They are also secretly dating. Shhhhhh, don't tell!

What's with all the chapter dumping lately? Is it a good thing? There's a new character now, has it gotten good, is translation catching up, is the author really releasing this many chapters so quickly?

It's a lot to catch up to for --a story where nothing ever happens except they look cutely at each other-- .

Definitely had my fair share of stupid conflicts like this throughout the years, but these ones are just absolutely adorable to see pissed after they've done more or less nothing but blush for 70 chapters straight

I'm honestly really happy with this development. A lot of times in mangas (mostly yuri), whenever someone gets jealous that their friend/girlfriend are getting close with someone, the friend/girlfriend gets all mopey and feels bad about it, so they end up apologizing, followed by the jealous person apologizing for being jealous. This just has Chidori being rightfully pissed off at Nanoha for bring immature. It feels realistic, especially since they're teenagers, so I'm on board with this "drama"
Also, I really hope Mai gets a gf soon. She has a good heart being nice to Chidori, even though she loves Nanoha.

Exactly! I finally see a coherent comment. Couples fight all the time and almost always for nonsense, I also think that this is the first time that they fight, so it's normal to get carried away, surely this will help them improve their relationship, also for the issue of TRUST in each other.

This. So much this. I think a lot of people forget just how immature teenagers can be (and adults even still), especially when it comes to (relatively) new relationships which at times can bring out the immatureness in people.

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I'm honestly really happy with this development. A lot of times in mangas (mostly yuri), whenever someone gets jealous that their friend/girlfriend are getting close with someone, the friend/girlfriend gets all mopey and feels bad about it, so they end up apologizing, followed by the jealous person apologizing for being jealous. This just has Chidori being rightfully pissed off at Nanoha for bring immature. It feels realistic, especially since they're teenagers, so I'm on board with this "drama"
Also, I really hope Mai gets a gf soon. She has a good heart being nice to Chidori, even though she loves Nanoha.

Exactly! I finally see a coherent comment. Couples fight all the time and almost always for nonsense, I also think that this is the first time that they fight, so it's normal to get carried away, surely this will help them improve their relationship, also for the issue of TRUST in each other.

This. So much this. I think a lot of people forget just how immature teenagers can be (and adults even still), especially when it comes to (relatively) new relationships which at times can bring out the immatureness in people.

When was the last time we had a comedy yuri with 2 characters being at least a bit mature ? It's not unrealistic, it's what happen in most comedy yuri, 2 peoples being immature about a situation instead of thinking about it. Again, how acting mature is that unrealistic for teenagers ? Just because you're 16/17 doesn't mean acting like 8yo brat is more realistic than acting mature.

When was the last time we had a comedy yuri with 2 characters being at least a bit mature ? It's not unrealistic, it's what happen in most comedy yuri, 2 peoples being immature about a situation instead of thinking about it. Again, how acting mature is that unrealistic for teenagers ? Just because you're 16/17 doesn't mean acting like 8yo brat is more realistic than acting mature.

Did you read any of the other comments?

When was the last time we had a comedy yuri with 2 characters being at least a bit mature ? It's not unrealistic, it's what happen in most comedy yuri, 2 peoples being immature about a situation instead of thinking about it. Again, how acting mature is that unrealistic for teenagers ? Just because you're 16/17 doesn't mean acting like 8yo brat is more realistic than acting mature.

Did you read any of the other comments?

My comment reflect my understanding of the comments so yes. I rarely comment when i don't read the other comments so if you think i'm in the wrong then that mean i misunderstand the comments.

My comment reflect my understanding of the comments so yes. I rarely comment when i don't read the other comments so if you think i'm in the wrong then that mean i misunderstand the comments.

I ask because

Again, how acting mature is that unrealistic for teenagers ?

has been answered in like twenty different ways.

My comment reflect my understanding of the comments so yes. I rarely comment when i don't read the other comments so if you think i'm in the wrong then that mean i misunderstand the comments.

I ask because

Again, how acting mature is that unrealistic for teenagers ?

has been answered in like twenty different ways.

The only thing i've seen in the last couples of pages is that they're immatures teenagers because they're teenagers (unless i've miss some messages which also a possibility) or did you refer to this :

It's unrealistic to expect it to happen immediately. People need time to cool their heads, which is part of what's happening here. People need to be able to get angry, and they need to be able to let it out. It's an emotion everyone feels. Expecting them to immediately suppress it and have a levelheaded conversation isn't practical. The way they're handling is immature, sure. But having them immediately talk it out wouldn't be very good writing.

In the end my point is : it is less realistic to think they could have done that the mature way or i'm just a boomer who don't understand teenagers ?

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I don't really know if the issue is maturity. To me, this fight is refreshing because it's so patently ridiculous. It's not even based on a legitimate misunderstanding. Nanoha got a little jealous and then decided to act upset, and then Chidori actually got angry in response, and now neither of them is willing to talk to the other. It's impossible to take seriously.

There's another story, Yuunagi Marbled, where the main character isn't really mature, but she's open and honest with her feelings, so she defuses a lot of potential drama, even though the other girl is kind of a moody bitch (but we still love her).

In general, in dramatic stories the characters' arcs often come from them being forced to confront a part of themselves that they could not accept. When that plays out in a romance story, you get moments where the characters are incapable of communicating their desires or needs, not because they can't communicate but because they are refusing to acknowledge that they have those needs/desires. I think a lot of standard romance plots fall into that category. She tries to keep some distance from her partner because she's afraid to acknowledge that she truly needs another person. He pushes his partner away because he's afraid that anyone who knows his true self will come to hate him. Etc. When it works, the characters have issues we can understand and empathize with, and the drama is a natural result of these inner conflicts.

But I think sometimes the superficial elements of these arguments are copied over without a strong foundation in the characters' psychologies. Then they seem to come out of nowhere and the audience is left feeling like the characters are acting like immature children.

In the end my point is : it is less realistic to think they could have done that the mature way or i'm just a boomer who don't understand teenagers ?

You have a point, yes. but in the end how can they act all mature without having made any mistakes before? It's the first time that they are dating so I think it's very understandable.

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Ah, how interesting—since only children ever get in stupid fights based on nothing, evidently the average age of Dynasty readers in these forums is about 7 years old.

You learn something new every day.

Ah, how interesting—since only children ever get in stupid fights based on nothing, evidently the average age of Dynasty readers in these forums is about 7 years old.

You learn something new every day.

I resemble that remark.

Ah, how interesting—since only children ever get in stupid fights based on nothing, evidently the average age of Dynasty readers in these forums is about 7 years old.

You learn something new every day.

Things sure have changed since the most recent Dynasty survey.
I was 20-ish years below the average age of a Dynasty reader then, now I'm 10-ish years above!

Ah, how interesting—since only children ever get in stupid fights based on nothing, evidently the average age of Dynasty readers in these forums is about 7 years old.

You learn something new every day.

Where did you get to that point ?

Ah, how interesting—since only children ever get in stupid fights based on nothing, evidently the average age of Dynasty readers in these forums is about 7 years old.

You learn something new every day.

Where did you get to that point ?

He obviously used his comment as a(n insulting) joke, just as I did my reply to said comment.

Ah, how interesting—since only children ever get in stupid fights based on nothing, evidently the average age of Dynasty readers in these forums is about 7 years old.

You learn something new every day.

Where did you get to that point ?

Let me spell it out for you:

It's preposterous to assert that serious arguments between people based on unstated silly or trivial resentments are a function of age or developmental maturity. Adults do this all the time, as demonstrated by many of the drawn-out, bitter arguments on the Dynasty forums about very trivial things. (To say nothing of being in a long-term relationship or in a large, contentious family.)

Such arguments are often described as the people being "immature," but while age can minimize such occurrences, it certainly doesn't eliminate them.