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joined Jan 25, 2017

I guess I just don't like thinking of Shimamura as clueless or uninterested, since that's such an anime/manga cliche that exists only to draw things out longer.

Whereas with this series I feel like the writing is doing a good job of characterizing Shimamura as being in denial, and having reasons for it. She's not just an idiot.

Yeah, I definitely agree. Shimamura having hangups -even minor ones- that make it hard for her to get into a serious relationship and that the story examines in some detail would be a way way way more interesting story than if she were just another Incredibly Dense Romance Lead.

JazzLafayette
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joined Oct 3, 2018

w’ErE nOrMaL fRiEnDs

Yurikosmaller2
joined May 28, 2011

vol 2, ch 3 pg 128, "it might have be better" -> "it might be better"?

shadesofgreymoon
Swxj4ro
joined Jun 5, 2016

vol 2, ch 3 pg 128, "it might have be better" -> "it might be better"?

I always dread seeing your posts in here cuz it means you found a mistake I made. lol

Eterna%20rinebow%20small
joined Oct 20, 2017

I was a bit worried but volume 2 seems solid so far. I feel like I understand Shima now.

46-75
joined Jun 25, 2019

"Warm liquid pouring into my chest" That's call blood Adachi, i sugger you to not put it into Shimamura hand because it's not very romantic.

Hino-san
joined Sep 4, 2014

"Warm liquid pouring into my chest" That's call blood Adachi, i sugger you to not put it into Shimamura hand because it's not very romantic.

Well, it might be if this were a vampire story. But I think we can rule that out.

shadesofgreymoon
Swxj4ro
joined Jun 5, 2016

"Warm liquid pouring into my chest" That's call blood Adachi, i sugger you to not put it into Shimamura hand because it's not very romantic.

I dunno, according to a lot of the yuri I've seen here, sharing warm body fluids seems to be the penultimate exchange of romantic intent. lol

joined Jan 25, 2017

Give. Adachi. A. Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuug.

last edited at Jul 14, 2019 11:42PM

shadesofgreymoon
Swxj4ro
joined Jun 5, 2016

Give. Adachi. A. Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuug.

I feel like if anyone tried to hug Adachi it would end up much like this:
ADACHI .EXE HAS STOPPED WORKING

And of course if Shimamura tried to hug her she'd just melt into a little puddle of Adachi right there and then, and nothing is worse than turning into a puddle and dripping onto your girlfriend's shoes.

Ykn1
joined Dec 20, 2018

It feels like Adachi is getting closer and closer to the point where she's just going to randomly kiss Shimamura after not being able to hold herself back anymore.

joined Oct 5, 2016

Poor Adachi is simultaneously stuck between "Hahaha we're just friends because it's not like I'm gay!! Romantic friendships are still no homo!" and "Fuuuuck meeee, I have a crush on my straight best friend, I'm such an idiot."

I've said this before, but I really like how the novel takes the like normally super-fluffy, yuri standard girl meets girl friendship/romance, but then makes it feel more realistic and modern by never really pretending that these girls aren't super gay for each other. Like if you just went off the plot summary it would feel pretty standard, but half of these chapters are just the girls' internal monologues working through figuring out they're gay and how they feel about that and each other.

Yurikosmaller2
joined May 28, 2011

vol 2 ch 4 pg 204, "which was why I was I was drinking" -> says "I was" twice.

Utenaanthy01
joined Aug 4, 2018

There's a lot of yuri that can feel relatable without explicitly dealing with queer identity. (I suspect if this weren't true, there wouldn't be such a huge LGBTQ+ contingent in the readership here.)

That may actually be for the best... because, sometimes, when a manga decides to explicitly deal with serious issues of queer identity, the result is not well received by a hefty chunk of the readership.

Ykn1
joined Dec 20, 2018

The way I read this chapter, to me it seems Adachi knows she has a crush on Shima. What she had issues with this time is that sometimes she loses sight of the fact that to her knowledge she's just a friend to Shima at this point. Or maybe I read it wrong, I'm not sure. This isn't to say she isn't confused about the whole thing, but I don't think she's in denial about the existence of the crush, at least?

The way I see it, she still seems to be wavering between admitting the crush to herself and then falling back into the denial again. She's definitely aware that Shima is someone very special to her, yet she's not quite willing to fully admit the true extent of her feelings even to herself. The denial is certainly getting weaker and weaker, though.

46-75
joined Jun 25, 2019

Adachi is like "Am i gay fro my friend ?"
Shimamura is like "Is my friend gay for me"
Yashiro is like "Where are my croquettes ?"

joined Oct 5, 2016

Poor Adachi is simultaneously stuck between "Hahaha we're just friends because it's not like I'm gay!! Romantic friendships are still no homo!" and "Fuuuuck meeee, I have a crush on my straight best friend, I'm such an idiot."

I've said this before, but I really like how the novel takes the like normally super-fluffy, yuri standard girl meets girl friendship/romance, but then makes it feel more realistic and modern by never really pretending that these girls aren't super gay for each other. Like if you just went off the plot summary it would feel pretty standard, but half of these chapters are just the girls' internal monologues working through figuring out they're gay and how they feel about that and each other.

The way I read this chapter, to me it seems Adachi knows she has a crush on Shima. What she had issues with this time is that sometimes she loses sight of the fact that to her knowledge she's just a friend to Shima at this point. Or maybe I read it wrong, I'm not sure. This isn't to say she isn't confused about the whole thing, but I don't think she's in denial about the existence of the crush, at least?

I also find the characters mostly authentic in the way you said, but so far I'm not convinced that there's an intentional theme of queer identity. So far, hasn't the explicit question of queer identity been mostly avoided (as it is pretty standard for yuri)? Though I can recall moments that imply that this is at the back of her mind, such as the repeated "I'm not like that" disclaimers in previous chapters, and wondering why she doesn't feel the same way about her other two friends who are also girls as she does about Shima.

It might come to the forefront later, but it's not like it would stop being "good yuri" even if it never did. There's a lot of yuri that can feel relatable without explicitly dealing with queer identity. (I suspect if this weren't true, there wouldn't be such a huge LGBTQ+ contingent in the readership here.)

I mean Adachi is definitely mostly just focusing on her feelings for Shimamura, but there's also been a few times when she thinks of the implications beyond that too. I'm too lazy to go find the chapter right now, but there's that one scene where she's thinking about how her being Like That would be tough on her parents or whatever, that very Japanese sort of homophobia. There's been a few other lines like that too. And then there was Shimamura's story about what is clearly her first little girl crush back in the day.

It never really dwells on it, but I feel like there's enough there to at least reassure me that the author thinks of them as definitely gay, and not just like, a cute phase or only attracted just to this one special person. Which is enough for me, especially since right now the two of them are still trying to be honest about their feelings for each other, so it's a bit much to expect them to already be looking at like, the bigger picture of what that crush means to their identities.

shadesofgreymoon
Swxj4ro
joined Jun 5, 2016

The way I see it, she still seems to be wavering between admitting the crush to herself and then falling back into the denial again. She's definitely aware that Shima is someone very special to her, yet she's not quite willing to fully admit the true extent of her feelings even to herself. The denial is certainly getting weaker and weaker, though.

I dunno man, Adachi seems to have twigged on pretty quick that what she feels for Shimamura is beyond platonic love. That dream of hers in the very beginning was the spark that set the whole thing burning. She's used the term "unrequited love" several times, "in love" or as close as she can force herself to articulate it. Even admitted that the Christmas date is a date as far as she's concerned--while in the same breath admitting it's no big deal to Shimamura in all liklihood. And hoo boy did that green-eyed monster come out swinging she saw Shimamura and Nagafuji out together...

Ykn1
joined Dec 20, 2018

The way I see it, she still seems to be wavering between admitting the crush to herself and then falling back into the denial again. She's definitely aware that Shima is someone very special to her, yet she's not quite willing to fully admit the true extent of her feelings even to herself. The denial is certainly getting weaker and weaker, though.

I dunno man, Adachi seems to have twigged on pretty quick that what she feels for Shimamura is beyond platonic love. That dream of hers in the very beginning was the spark that set the whole thing burning. She's used the term "unrequited love" several times, "in love" or as close as she can force herself to articulate it. Even admitted that the Christmas date is a date as far as she's concerned--while in the same breath admitting it's no big deal to Shimamura in all liklihood. And hoo boy did that green-eyed monster come out swinging she saw Shimamura and Nagafuji out together...

I do agree with you for the most part, really, but at the same time, she's also still trying her best to deny this even internally to herself - and often failing miserably. Even this chapter we still had that quick switch from fallen in lo- to "love" in quotation marks so she could ensure herself that it was not quite that serious. Likewise, instead of fully admitting to unrequited love, she tries to get around it by going with no different from unrequited love - making it functionally the same, but with the excuse that it's not really that, again. It's not much, but the last shreds of denial still remain. Probably won't take her long this way to finally truly accept her own feelings, though.

last edited at Jul 15, 2019 6:47PM

shadesofgreymoon
Swxj4ro
joined Jun 5, 2016

I'm kinda wondering if seeing Hina and Nagafuji go through something similar is going to happen soon and have an effect of a lot of things...

Yuriloveisbestlove
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joined Feb 15, 2019

Ah yes, my favorite gay LN got another chapter release from the best translators around. Adachi is super gay for Shima but with a small dash of denial. It's good to see her hanging out with Hino so we can see how she interacts with people not named Shimamura, spoiler alert she's still super shy, awkward and thinks only of Shima lol.

Heihtzz
joined Oct 16, 2016

^ We Husky and Medley now, boys.

46-75
joined Jun 25, 2019

ngl still waiting for the chapter where Adachi desperately asks the internet for advice

"Hey folks, i'm like super gay for my friend but i say no homo so i'm not gay right ?"

shadesofgreymoon
Swxj4ro
joined Jun 5, 2016

Well I for one am looking forward to some super lewd Christmas hand holding...

46-75
joined Jun 25, 2019

Nagafuji is my spirit animal. She is like Yukari from Yuyushiki, she is seriously convinced that a boomerang is a good present idea and she somehow manage to convince Shima. As for Shima, was predictable she doesn't put thesame thoughts in Christmas asAdachi did.

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