Ya know, if you call each other by your surnames you are still equal... just on a more formal level.

Well Iro wasn't kidding about being a full blown Otaku, she singlehandedly changed the entire mood of the series. In a good way mind you lol
Shipping real people is a forbidden art however, so contain your power young Iro!

F*** this garbage, I'M DONE, drama over a surname/first name? I AM OUT...

Even an ignoramus like me, whose main exposure to Japanese cultural norms has been what in agrarian societies is also known as weebshit, is aware that how exactly people address each other is Kind Of A Big Deal over there and something of a thermometer as to their degree of intimacy/relative standing among other things. The matter comes up again and again in mango and teh chinese cartoons, particularly ones centered on relationships between people. (Which as an aside is why I invariably frown on translators/scanlators dropping honorifics "because muh localisation"; those carry quite meaningful social nuances and it's not all that unusual to see teams who do that scrambling for some kind of vaguely sensible alternative formulation should those suddenly become important in some fashion.)

And of course here we're talking about two confused teenagers trying to work out the nature of their very emotionally charged relationship (spoiler: it's gay af) while one of them wrestles with near lifelong colossal self-image issues and the other has a bit of a temperament...

Shipping real people is a forbidden art however, so contain your power young Iro!

Verily, 'tis a perilous forbidden technique. Madness and ruin await those who pursue it!

...also inb4 IroxIzumi becomes the official side couple >_>

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Shipping real people is a forbidden art however, so contain your power young Iro!

Verily, 'tis a perilous forbidden technique. Madness and ruin await those who pursue it!

...also inb4 IroxIzumi becomes the official side couple >_>

Thx for explaining the joke. I can always count on ya.

Why not? Iro said she likes the princely types and Izumi's one-sided feelings sure aren't going anywhere productive right now.

F*** this garbage, I'M DONE, drama over a surname/first name? I AM OUT...

Even an ignoramus like me, whose main exposure to Japanese cultural norms has been what in agrarian societies is also known as weebshit, is aware that how exactly people address each other is Kind Of A Big Deal over there and something of a thermometer as to their degree of intimacy/relative standing among other things. The matter comes up again and again in mango and teh chinese cartoons, particularly ones centered on relationships between people. (Which as an aside is why I invariably frown on translators/scanlators dropping honorifics "because muh localisation"; those carry quite meaningful social nuances and it's not all that unusual to see teams who do that scrambling for some kind of vaguely sensible alternative formulation should those suddenly become important in some fashion.)

And of course here we're talking about two confused teenagers trying to work out the nature of their very emotionally charged relationship (spoiler: it's gay af) while one of them wrestles with near lifelong colossal self-image issues and the other has a bit of a temperament...

Shipping real people is a forbidden art however, so contain your power young Iro!

Verily, 'tis a perilous forbidden technique. Madness and ruin await those who pursue it!

...also inb4 IroxIzumi becomes the official side couple >_>

First: I see you used several misnames on purpose to mock the elders for using them, which is praiseworthy.
Second: I thank you and others for educating me and others on the whole surname usage thingy in Japanese culture.
Third: About the dangerous forbidden techniques (DFTs) that BugDevil and you mentioned... Could using them be the answer to stopping Talinight? I mean, if the multiverse theory is correct, then the universe of AFOC (in which Talinight is) exists, and since he can travel between universes, he may come for us eventually, so maybe these DFTs could be helpful?

F*** this garbage, I'M DONE, drama over a surname/first name? I AM OUT...

Should probably leave then.
If you don’t grasp what the actual issue is with the characters then you shouldn’t stick around.

Third: About the dangerous forbidden techniques (DFTs) that BugDevil and you mentioned... Could using them be the answer to stopping Talinight? I mean, if the multiverse theory is correct, then the universe of AFOC (in which Talinight is) exists, and since he can travel between universes, he may come for us eventually, so maybe these DFTs could be helpful?

Rest assured I have not the slightest idea of what you're talking about.

Ranzo posted:

This last name first name stuff is always reeeally annoying

It seems to be far more common in Japan than western nations to refer to people by their last name. Here it's typically reserved for teachers or coworkers above you in the foodchain or, if you work in customer service, for customers you need to refer to by name. In Japan though it seems to be quite common to refer to anyone you're not particularly close with by last name.

Yeah, I get it but it is so damn overplayed at this point that it just comes off as being real cheap. I figured this author would use a bit better way of convening drama than something so token as that.

Hmm. It didn't bother me here but I suppose for you it would be like turning on an American sitcom and seeing a husband and wife arguing because
Man: I r like sports
Woman I r like rewatching our wedding video.

God, this manga doesn't have a single likeable character.
Edit: also they should remove the glasses tag, this manga doesn't deserve it.

Fair enough. I say the same about most of the yuri I read. The likable thing not the glasses thing. I happen to like these characters but to each their own and all that.

I can't help but roll my eyes at the pointless melodrama in this series... why am I still reading it. Kind of because it reminds me of Girlfriends but it's not nearly as good. Like I'm not even sure if it's yuri at all.

Like what is with her saying "We're not equal?" its so stupid.

This development has been pretty blatantly foreshadowed from the outset. Kurokawa has always put Fujishiro on a pedestal as a "princess" and viewed her as better than and apart from her it's completely unsurprising that she'd view herself as undeserving of being close to her. It's hardly like the author pulled this issue out of their ass for the sake of drama.

Exactly. Character development so far has rock-solid coherence. One wonders if the people complaining have actually read the previous chapters.

Kind of reminds me of that discussion about Game of Thrones, in which people stated that foreshadowing was not equal to meaningful character development. Probably applies here as well.

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Kind of reminds me of that discussion about Game of Thrones, in which people stated that foreshadowing was not equal to meaningful character development. Probably applies here as well.

Not really, seeing how it's been blatantly spelled out again and again instead of just foreshadowed here, and we're really only in the early to middle stages of character development, not at the end, which is exactly why she's still behaving a lot like she used to before, even if she's started to improve in some ways.

Drama...

Mmmm gimme more of this side pair

I think I actually like side characrers here

Damn, that is a bit depressing.

women are scary

I find it easier to just wait until the whole manga is completed before reading this type of manga. Drama can be really heavy if it's done well, and it's better not to wait for more updates as opposed to committing continuous reading because that way, you can see the inevitable happy ending. (doesn't apply to all drama heavy manga)

They all know
Just they want to speak out or not
that's it!

This chapter was depressing. The fact that the exact same thing happens in female friendships in high school makes it even sadder.

Pretty much what I figured Miki's situation was. Her childhood friend just acts like a bystander, but I kinda get that too. Some people don't want to confront anything.

I wonder if these two can ever be reconciled....

Wow thats a good .5 chapter.. Now I kinda want to see 4th friend girl step up and smack some sense into bitch girl

women are scary

This Maho girl is the real motherfucking MVP

Jesus christ end this pointless manga already.

Jesus christ end this pointless manga already.

Even if they won't, I hope you find the courage to move on with your life.

Jesus christ end this pointless manga already.

Even if they won't, I hope you find the courage to move on with your life.

Or at least from this comment section.