Hm...This chapter was kinda nice, aber now I'm rooting for Yuzu x Harumin even more. :c

I'm just saying we don't see everything, so it's complicated to say if it's perfect or not,

It just means you have low standards.

Well, I'm answering to you, so I guess...

What is it that makes people (who clearly are reading Citrus avidly themselves) come in after every chapter and insist that others acknowledge that the series is not ‘good’?

Is it to establish that they themselves are only hatereading, and aren’t taken in like the common herd?

I’m just not sure I see the point.

That coming out was rather underwhelming and hand waved like nothing.

Yeah right.

Even the most supportive parents, in real life, are worried to death, instead of being like "oh well, can't be helped, I trust you and good luck".

She's in love with her step-sister, ffs.

Yeah, but look at her STEP-FATHER! If you google "parental irresponsibility", you will find his picture on the website. Also, it's fairly obvious that her mother "married" the guy just to provide a stable home for his daughter. It's also possible that their marriage isn't even official, for all we know. In addition to the fact that one of the primary methods of becoming "family" that is traditionally used by lesbian and gay couples in Japan is "adult adoption" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_adult_adoption) which is a centuries old practice used to extend family lines. So, unless their parents had problems with the two of them being in a same sex relationship in the first place, there wouldn't be any problems with the fact that they are step-sisters, since the logical step to legal make them part of the same family unit would either be for the parents of one of the girls to adopt the other or, in some cases, for the older person in the couple to adopt the younger, thus giving them inheritance rights as the oldest child.

And it was extremely realistic in terms of the way Yuzu's mom already knew what was going on. As the father of a daughter on the LGBTQ+ spectrum, I knew several years before she came out, or I at least had a hunch. Frankly, that is part of why I started reading yuri manga. I added a bunch of yuri manga to my reading list and discussed those stories with my son and daughter, the same way I discussed the other manga and anime that I was reading and watching with them. It was kind of a semi-subtle way to tell my daughter, "when you're ready to come out, I'll be supportive." Of course, I have a lesbian aunt, so she probably already knew that...

As a side-effect, I discovered that I really, really enjoyed the writing in the yuri mangas more than I did in most of the others. I also branched out into lesbian romance novels and have become a fan of those... Strange how life works...

I'm just saying we don't see everything, so it's complicated to say if it's perfect or not,

It just means you have low standards.

Well, I'm answering to you, so I guess...

What is it that makes people (who clearly are reading Citrus avidly themselves) come in after every chapter and insist that others acknowledge that the series is not ‘good’?

Is it to establish that they themselves are only hatereading, and aren’t taken in like the common herd?

I’m just not sure I see the point.

I guess we all like Citrus for the characters, who are very relatable, but the general consensus is that the storyline is crap despite the potential and several individual scenes being at times downright brilliant. Which is unnerving. I'd say that causes the exasperated reactions of love and hate lol

It's like watching a soccer match in the World Cup and insulting the players of the team you are cheering for because they ended up performing so badly despite your hopes. You care, but because you care, you react so angrily.

last edited at Jun 18, 2018 1:03PM

Yeah but that's just an indication that they will have a good friendship, not that they'll be good lovers. Of course, being friend with your lover is a good thing, but there's something missing in their current relationship to make them lovers : attraction toward each other.

I don't know for Harumin, but Yuzu clearly isn't attracted to Harumin, so they can't be a couple and it wouldn't make sense.

During the series, Matsuri has always been right in her observations, and considering the latest chapter, it seems pretty clear Harumin got friendzoned against her will there, based on her reaction and what Matsuri said right after.

Now I totally agree Yuzu has no interest in Harumin. A lot of readers think Harumin would be a better match for Yuzu because unlike Mei the girl is actually a great person and treats Yuzu well, not because they actually believe Yuzu is attracted to her. It's the typical case of "why is Yuzu dating this person who makes her suffer, when she can do much better".

Yuzu is way too selfish on this one. She came out of the closet and forced Mei to do so. This isn't something you do for someone. This is a personal choice and even though it went very well, she shouldn't have done that.

Plus, she is forcing this relationship. Mei chose another path, and Yuzu doesn't respect that. Love doesn't justify all means. Let's imagine Mei is coming back to Yuzu, I don't think she will be thrilled AT ALL that Yuzu say all of those things.

The fact that everyone is supportive is great but I really don't like how it happened. This is either poorly written or it will backfire at Yuzu (and even though Mei had been hard on her, she would deserve it this time).

Yuzu is way too selfish on this one. She came out of the closet and forced Mei to do so. This isn't something you do for someone. This is a personal choice and even though it went very well, she shouldn't have done that.

Plus, she is forcing this relationship. Mei chose another path, and Yuzu doesn't respect that. Love doesn't justify all means. Let's imagine Mei is coming back to Yuzu, I don't think she will be thrilled AT ALL that Yuzu say all of those things.

The fact that everyone is supportive is great but I really don't like how it happened. This is either poorly written or it will backfire at Yuzu (and even though Mei had been hard on her, she would deserve it this time).

I find myself agreeing completely. Perhaps it is my extreme dislike of breaching other person's privacy, plus the meddling nature of it all, but I am unable to really support Yuzu's choices here. Outing your (technically) ex-lover to other people, who are her immediate family no less, is a really dick move. Sure, it went well, but that does not make it acceptable. Bonus points (in a negative manner) for doing it in order to enlist their help (or approval, at the very least) in an effort to go against Mei's personal choices. Do I think Mei made some poor decisions? Certainly, even though I understand her reasons. But those poor decisions are hers to make, Yuzu going against that is not really something I can root for.

And Shou pisses me off with the caring father act, as always. The Bohemian retard is the single most responsible culprit for Mei even being in this situation to begin with, if he wanted to appear all fatherly and shit, he should have done so years and years ago. And of course, meddling in his daughter's choices is apparently perfectly acceptable since her choice is to uphold the familial duty. If she decided to be an irresponsible hippie like him, I guess her decisions would have been respected then, the fucking hypocrite.

Eh, wait a moment, what is this revenge Matsuri talks about? :O

-just re-read it-

Eh, wait a moment, what is this revenge Matsuri talks about? :O

-just re-read it-

I suspect Matsuri finally had enough of Mei directly or indirectly hurting girls she cares about lol She already took Yuzu away from her, and now I guess she kinda suspects Harumin is going to take it in the chin to help YuzuMei get back together. Maybe she will show everyone at school that old pic of Mei kissing her, or corner the manager and reveal about the rings.

I said a long time ago that there were a bunch of players who could help break the Mei-Yuzu impasse (almost everybody in the story, really), and I’m totally not surprised at the parents being completely unfazed by Yuzu’s big reveal. The Tachibana sisters have had their turn as fairy godmothers/sisters, and Matsuri looks like she’s up next, with Harumin on deck (or maybe vice versa).

I am surprised by readers upset by a supposed recent lack of ‘realism’—this is the series that started with a Magic Lesbian Stepsister Kiss, after all, and the plot has proceeded by coincidences, conveniently overheard conversations, sudden plot developments, and character reversals (remember yandere psychopath Matsuri?) all along.

I get the feeling that this series takes a lot of hits for its failure to be something it has never tried to be in the first place.

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/citrus_ch39#31

I took a look at the raw for the page, and what Matsuri says on panel 3 is (more or less):

"You kept insisting that you weren't interested in anyone,
but just as I thought, it was Yuzu-chan, wasn't it..."

Just a small detail, I guess.

Everybody and their sisters are lesbian in this story.. I didn't feel like Harumin was attracted to Yuzu, I still don't feel it to be honest. I couldn't help but feel it was just wishful thinking by readers, but the evidence are piling up and it's a bit sad... I want pure friendship :(

Here we go again, Yuzu (she was really broken-hearted) is going to take action/pursue Mei. Why is she always forcing herself on Mei? Pathetic.

Then Mei dumps/ignores Yuzu. Repeat cycle.

I wish it was Mei who would run after Yuzu this time. Disappointing.

The bad writing of this series.

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I have been waiting secretly for new chapters and now Yuzu wants to get married !!!!! This is to much for me !

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Yuzu is way too selfish on this one. She came out of the closet and forced Mei to do so. This isn't something you do for someone. This is a personal choice and even though it went very well, she shouldn't have done that.

Plus, she is forcing this relationship. Mei chose another path, and Yuzu doesn't respect that. Love doesn't justify all means. Let's imagine Mei is coming back to Yuzu, I don't think she will be thrilled AT ALL that Yuzu say all of those things.

The fact that everyone is supportive is great but I really don't like how it happened. This is either poorly written or it will backfire at Yuzu (and even though Mei had been hard on her, she would deserve it this time).

Agree with this.

I loved the chapter. There is nothing surprising or unusual about the parents' reaction. Ume has always been a cheerfully carefree and impulsive woman herself - remember she married Mei's dad pretty much on a whim. As for him, he has plenty of experience being ostracized for wanting to make different, less mainstream choices in life. It's natural he would be supportive as well.

As for the people criticizing Yuzu for telling, you are hating on a child for doing the most natural and necessary thing children do - going to a parent for help when they are discouraged, confused, or trapped in a situation. It was absolutely what she should've done, long before now in fact. Mei is the one that has been acting selfishly and unilaterally this whole time. Yuzu did completely the right thing and was rewarded, as she should've been, with the love, understanding, and support of the adults in her life. Anyone attacking her for needing and seeking that is grievously misguided.

This long and crazy ride is nearly over. Thank you Chaosteam for seeing it through.

last edited at Jun 18, 2018 11:03PM

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/citrus_ch39#31

I took a look at the raw for the page, and what Matsuri says on panel 3 is (more or less):

"You kept insisting that you weren't interested in anyone,
but just as I thought, it was Yuzu-chan, wasn't it..."

Just a small detail, I guess.

Wow, seriously? Damn. I don't understand, how come the translation doesn't show that? I always complain Saburouta is vague, but maybe it's the translations after all. I mean that basically settles the matter. So sad for Harumin :-(

Yuzu did completely the right thing and was rewarded, as she should've been, with the love, understanding, and support of the adults in her life. Anyone attacking her for needing and seeking that is grievously misguided.

Yes, imagine some of us having a notion about privacy, horrendous. In theory, she could have turned to her parents without naming Mei, although she would not have been able to present all the aspects and problems of their relationship in that case. You can twist and turn it every way you want with those high-sounding phrases, but outing someone to their immediate family without their knowledge and consent is never justified, and she is not that young of a kid for the label to shield her.

As for Mei making unilateral decisions, that much is true, but the last such decision she made was also to break up with Yuzu. This is no longer the game which we viewed previously, where Yuzu was mostly combating Mei's outwardly cold personality. Now, Mei has broken up with her under no unclear terms, and for Yuzu to come charging regardless is not something I can be comfortable with, since I know without a shred of a doubt I would personally hate it if anyone did the same to me. Mei's reasons for the breakup may be flawed, and Yuzu obviously thinks so too, but last I heard, one does not need to have a logically consistent and well argued rationale for breaking up with someone.

Edit: And I overlooked it, but lmao, "different, less mainstream choices in life". Really sets a different tone to the whole abandoned his own child thing he did, does it not. Why, it makes him sound like a swell guy, breaking the chains of his class, going on a quest to find himself. That is something I have noticed a lot of people have done with Shou, since he was introduced. I guess most readers are just enthralled by the whole "do your own thing, do not let the tradition dictate you" spin, so they forget he turned his back on a primary school aged child in the process. We have already gone over his decisions several times in this thread, and others have said it better than I did, so I will simply limit myself to stating he would not win any father of the year awards. Because he is a fucking horrible parent. Sure, he is a nice guy, but nice people can still completely fail at parenting, and when you literally abandon your own child, you have fucking failed massively.

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You can twist and turn it every way you want with those high-sounding phrases, but outing someone to their immediate family without their knowledge and consent is never justified, and she is not that young of a kid for the label to shield her.

Actually, when being in a high-drama melodrama drama drama melodrama, it is always 100% justified and the superior action over any other action you could possibly take.

This is not a realistic story with realistic characters. It's a faux incest slightly rapy story from chapter 1, ripe with tropes, melodrama, and plot twists straight from a mexican telenovela, just more gay.
This is also not a story attempting to give life advice to people. If THIS is what offends your sensibilities in citrus, I really don't know what to say.

Other than "You should have bailed 38 chapters ago"

In real life, you shouldn't out people. You also shouldn't forcefully push people down and kiss them.

Screw the dad though. He can scram.

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I know without a shred of a doubt I would personally hate it if anyone did the same to me.

Happily, this is not about you. That being the case, perhaps you - the only person twisting anything, in a quite unnecessarily combative and sarcastic way I might add - could take everything as less of an assault on your ivory tower principles.

Your positioning of the protection an assumed lesbian identity that Mei may or may not have and may or may not value, as paramount over the (so to speak) real-world needs of both Yuzu and Mei is ideological extremism, and the callous and judgemental stance you've taken is fully consistent with that. You are an ideologue, and your demand for adherence to your arbitrary rules would leave both Yuzu and Mei miserable and isolated from help and support, as a small price to pay to protect the sacred cow of not "outing" people who may or may not even consider themselves "in".

As for the father, I do not excuse the choices he's made with regard to neglecting Mei. A huge amount of both Mei and Yuzu's travails are squarely on his shoulders, that much is certain. I only point out that his making of those choices is consistent with the kind of support he is giving Yuzu now.

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Yuzu is way too selfish on this one. She came out of the closet and forced Mei to do so. This isn't something you do for someone. This is a personal choice and even though it went very well, she shouldn't have done that.

Plus, she is forcing this relationship. Mei chose another path, and Yuzu doesn't respect that. Love doesn't justify all means. Let's imagine Mei is coming back to Yuzu, I don't think she will be thrilled AT ALL that Yuzu say all of those things.

The fact that everyone is supportive is great but I really don't like how it happened. This is either poorly written or it will backfire at Yuzu (and even though Mei had been hard on her, she would deserve it this time).

Agree with this.

Mei also said much earlier to Yuzu that she will deal with being out of the closet if she needs to in chapter 24 during her pep talk in the library. It was Yuzu who was afraid of it much more. So while Mei wouldn't necessarily love hearing that Yuzu had mentioned her name while coming out to their parents and Harumi, I don't think she'd explode over it either

last edited at Jun 19, 2018 3:55AM

I think this chapter is ridiculous. How come their parents just accept the fact that their daughter dating her own step sister.

last edited at Jun 19, 2018 4:01AM

^ Because nobody in this manga acts like a real person.

wow so much hate and negativity about citrus in here...... :/

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/citrus_ch39#31

I took a look at the raw for the page, and what Matsuri says on panel 3 is (more or less):

"You kept insisting that you weren't interested in anyone,
but just as I thought, it was Yuzu-chan, wasn't it..."

Just a small detail, I guess.

Wow, seriously? Damn. I don't understand, how come the translation doesn't show that? I always complain Saburouta is vague, but maybe it's the translations after all. I mean that basically settles the matter. So sad for Harumin :-(

I don’t ever read Citrus raws, so I’m not sure how the translation has been for the other chapters, but the line above specifically mentions “Yuzu-chan”, so I don’t even know how it came out so vague in the end product (￣▽￣)