I just wonder, with so many of you here not being satisfied with the storyline now, is there anyway that we can reach out to Saburouta and tell her our opinions? Like via Twitter or something? If this is a TV show, she would get burnt on Twitter! LOL.

"Hi, I'm from another country and I'm reading a pirated copy of your work for free. I just wanna tell you what you're doing wrong..."

Sounds like a great idea, that.

matsuri_wins

I don't know why a lot of people hates Mei when it's clear that she didn't choose to marry some random dude because she wanted it, but because she felt like it was the right thing to do. it's as simple as that.

But I felt sorry for Mei because "plot twist" their parents and friends doesn't care at all if Yuzu and her are dating or even get married to each other. as for her grandfather, who cares about him lol

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matsuri_wins

I don't know why a lot of people hates Mei when it's clear that she didn't choose to marry some random dude because she wanted it, but because she felt like it was the right thing to do. it's as simple as that.

lol wut, that seems like the same thing to me. She had 2 options, and she picked the one she preferred given the circumstances. Like I would say her choices show exactly the type of person she is, for good or bad. Besides that's not exactly the reason why I have come to dislike her, she was my favourite character in the series till the end of the election arc. The thing is, she at first seemed like a cold collected person with a dark past, "cold yet bold" as Yuzu mentions in the anime. But slowly and surely she was turned into a duty-drone/damsel-in-distress type who can't even break up with her girlfriend in person. Too lame for my tastes.

Yeah I totally agree with you that what you describe is the likely scenario, as Matsuri has been like a Seer or Oracle from day 1 lol

It would only be what I said if there was a final plot twist in the series. Also because in chapter 37, Harumin tells Matsuri the following: https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/citrus_ch37#6. I think someone on Reddit mentioned in the raw she says something like "you are not always right".

That's such a minor scene, I don't believe it implies anything about Matsuri's perceptiveness. Also, if we are to assume that Matsuri has feelings for Harumin (and as a Harumi x Matsuri shipper, I sure hope so), she most likely has observed Harumin's behavior the most out of anybody and knows her best out of the rest of the cast members. I'm definitely willing to bet that she knew what the talk between Yuzu and Harumin was about in the latest chapter.

Also, here's what I would've translated the last two panels of page 5, and the first two of page 6 to (not much different than what's been released though, lol):

Matsuri: Personally, I thought he genuinely wanted to get along with me...
Matsuri: So, you know...

Harumi: Well... Everybody's different, and they all have their own ways of thinking.
Harumi: Besides, that's just your opinion, isn't it?

She doesn't say anything like "you are not always right."

Sighs. Well I don't know what to say, both my ships sunk in the same chapter damn it LOL HaruYuzu and HaruMatsu never gonna be a reality at this rate (if Harumin doesn't like Matsuri already, there is no way she will develop feelings for her by the end of the story in any satisfactory way). Guess I am here now only to see Mei get bitchslapped hard by Matsuri then, because she has turned into such a boring emo character that I also want revenge. I mean at least this one thing Saburouta has to give us.

Like, am I the only one who literally could not give a sh*t if Mei and Yuzu end up together? I don't know why, in the beginning of the story I really cared but after Mei's letter it was like a cold shower I never recovered from.

I'm still holding out for Harumi x Matsuri! I get this feeling we're going to get a time skip after Mei comes back or a time skip just so Mei can come back, and by then, hopefully Harumi will have fallen in love with Matsuri, LOL... Just typing that out made me a little sad. ;_;

matsuri_wins

Thats how Mei's character works, She thinks that she can save Yuzu from all the family drama, if she obeys her grandfather, the same way how Matsuri thought that sexually harrassing Mei will force her to leave Yuzu.

I mean, you know, each character in Citrus has their own way of showing their affection with the person they like.

Just look at Yuzu, Mei, Matsuri and Himeko. They pretty much act their feelings without even considering what the other person might think because they felt like it was the right thing to do, well until someone slapped some sense into them. Isn't this the reason why Harumin is so precious, it's because she's the most sensible character in this manga

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matsuri_wins

Thats how Mei's character works, She thinks that she can save Yuzu from all the family drama, if she obeys her grandfather, the same way how Matsuri thought that sexually harrassing Mei will force her to leave Yuzu.

I mean, you know, each character in Citrus has their own way of showing their affection with the person they like.

Just look at Yuzu, Mei, Matsuri and Himeko. They pretty much act out their feelings while thinking it was the right thing to do, without even considering what the other person might think, well until someone slapped some sense into them. Isn't this the reason why Harumin is so precious, it's because she's the most sensible character in this manga

Well sure, I'm not saying she doesn't have good intentions. Hell is, after all, full of people with good intentions :P I'm just saying she was cool before and has become lame af (in my humble opinion).

Also in any realistic scenario the YuzuMei relationship would be considered too one-sided and toxic. Like if I was Yuzu's friend I would be silently hoping she runs for the hills no matter if Mei loves her or not. Even if they got together again, there would be a huge backlash later in terms of Yuzu no longer trusting Mei, it's just too much baggage now. Doomed to fail, I can't support them being together anymore.

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matsuri_wins

I think it's called character development and not because she became lame LOL

Technically, Mei hadn't broken Yuzu's trust. Yuzu knows that Mei did it for their family and not because she was being selfish. it's the reason why Yuzu didn't hold a grudge against Mei and it's going to be the reason why she's gonna come after her for the upteenth time to tell her that everyone is cool with them being gay and all, and that she was prolonging the drama for no reason LOL

I hope gramps has something up his sleeve to stir some sh*t up because I want heavy drama with even just, a tiny bit of logical sense into it. I'm not gonna ask for some hyper-realistic scenario. I just want it to be entertaining. #makecitrusgreatagain

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matsuri_wins

I think it's called character development and not because she became lame LOL

If it's character development I don't know, but I see it as a negative development regardless since this type of damsel in distress and extremely dutiful behaviour is unattractive to me.

Technically, Mei hadn't broken Yuzu's trust. Yuzu knows Mei did it for their family and not because she was being selfish. it's the reason why Yuzu didn't hold a grudge against Mei and it's going to be the reason why she's gonna come after her.

Yuzu has always been unnervingly dumb, but she used to be quite bold as well and turning lamer and lamer as the story goes on. Again I used to like her through the story but since she started taking forever to have sex with Mei, I cannot. She literally took so long to have sex with her own gf that the girl ran off to marry someone else, despite the fact they lived together and slept on the same bed everyday LOL

In the end, Matsuri and Harumin are the only interesting people left. Maybe Shiraho, but unfortunately she is too much of a side character to matter.

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matsuri_wins

To be fair, Mei thinks that Yuzu is the damsel in distress in their situation and she was the one saving her.

Mei has always been a very responsible person even when she was still the emotionless and cold-hearted girl back in the first four arc. so, I don't really know what's your problem with her being an exceptional "family-oriented" person up until now.

As for Yuzu, I don't know about you but I don't want Citrus to be another smut yuri manga which is like the trend right now (yuri manhwa) geez, it doesn't have to go that low to get more readers.

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page 31 of chapter 39 will be replaced later tonight on dynasty, Thank you for the heads up on the translation on panel 3

matsuri_wins

To be fair, Mei thinks that Yuzu is the damsel in distress in their situation and she was the one saving her.

Huh, no. Mei is not saving Yuzu here, she makes it clear in the letter her reason for leaving is upholding her duties. Which is as good a reason as any by the way, but don't try to make the girl a hero now when she isn't one.

Mei has always been a very responsible person even when she was still the emotionless and cold-hearted girl back in the first four arc. so, I don't really know what's your problem with her being an exceptional "family-oriented" person up until now.

She is not family-oriented, she is rule-bound which is very different. If she was family-oriented she would try talking more to her family members, rather than isolating herself. Also she is just not person-oriented in general, because she seems to have no friends, including apparently not giving a real crap about Momokino unless instructed to do so by Yuzu. Again I am sure that appeals to some people, just not to me. When that was counter-balanced by being bold in other areas, I was still OK with it.

As for Yuzu, I don't know about you but I don't want Citrus to be another smut yuri manga which is like the trend right now (yuri manhwa) geez, it doesn't have to go that low to get more readers.

I'm not talking about showing any smut, just because a sex scene is implied to happen it doesn't mean it needs to be shown. But yeah, it's kinda impossible that 2 people who are dating for months and sleep together on the same bed aren't going to do anything ever except blush at each other.

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Yuzu is way too selfish on this one. She came out of the closet and forced Mei to do so. This isn't something you do for someone. This is a personal choice and even though it went very well, she shouldn't have done that.

Plus, she is forcing this relationship. Mei chose another path, and Yuzu doesn't respect that. Love doesn't justify all means. Let's imagine Mei is coming back to Yuzu, I don't think she will be thrilled AT ALL that Yuzu say all of those things.

The fact that everyone is supportive is great but I really don't like how it happened. This is either poorly written or it will backfire at Yuzu (and even though Mei had been hard on her, she would deserve it this time).

I find myself agreeing completely. Perhaps it is my extreme dislike of breaching other person's privacy, plus the meddling nature of it all, but I am unable to really support Yuzu's choices here. Outing your (technically) ex-lover to other people, who are her immediate family no less, is a really dick move. Sure, it went well, but that does not make it acceptable. Bonus points (in a negative manner) for doing it in order to enlist their help (or approval, at the very least) in an effort to go against Mei's personal choices. Do I think Mei made some poor decisions? Certainly, even though I understand her reasons. But those poor decisions are hers to make, Yuzu going against that is not really something I can root for.

And Shou pisses me off with the caring father act, as always. The Bohemian retard is the single most responsible culprit for Mei even being in this situation to begin with, if he wanted to appear all fatherly and shit, he should have done so years and years ago. And of course, meddling in his daughter's choices is apparently perfectly acceptable since her choice is to uphold the familial duty. If she decided to be an irresponsible hippie like him, I guess her decisions would have been respected then, the fucking hypocrite.

Wow, agree. Couldn't have said it better

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page 31 has been replaced

We will never understand page 31 >.< "I told you, I'm not interested. See? It's just Yuzu-chan." gives it a totally different meaning from both of the previously attempted translations.

We will never understand page 31 >.< "I told you, I'm not interested. See? It's just Yuzu-chan." gives it a totally different meaning from both of the previously attempted translations.

Oh my.

No, that was actually completely my fault, haha. I didn't even remember that Nene was freaking out about Harumin possibly meeting up with someone else other than Yuzu prior to this scene, LOL.

Yeah, the new translation is entirely correct. Basically, Nene wanted to tail Harumin and make sure she wasn't visiting a boyfriend or something, but Matsuri said there was no way Harumin would meet up with anybody other than Yuzu... although they follow Harumin anyway.

On page 31, Nene rejoices over seeing Harumin x Yuzu, and Matsuri basically just says "I told you so, it was just Yuzu-chan, lol."

Still, I'm positive Matsuri knew what was going on with the talk. :P

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Hang on a sec...so was it Harumin or Matsuri that said ""I told you, I'm not interested. See? It's just Yuzu-chan." Who is not interested in what? Lord...

Hang on a sec...so was it Harumin or Matsuri that said ""I told you, I'm not interested. See? It's just Yuzu-chan." Who is not interested in what? Lord...
Nene wondered what they were taking about and matsuri replied that's she's not interested

Thanks! Finally everything makes sense :D lol Seira, looks like HaruMatsu still sailing on.

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Thanks! Finally everything makes sense :D lol Seira, looks like HaruMatsu still sailing on.

Let it sail!

Yeah, Mei's passivity is really hurting the series at this point, I feel. I was a big defender of the "breakup through letter" move Mei pulled, because I felt it was both deeply in-line with Mei's character (yes, even her character growth) and also I'm a sucker for well-done angst lol. The tradeoff here, being, of course, that since Mei finally makes a move/her own decision with regards to ending their relationship (previously, I think, it was always Yuzu "calling the shots" and Mei more or less passively following her lead), then Mei has to win Yuzu back by making a move to repair their relationship. That Mei's been absent for so long takes away from the impact of her actually DOING shit (even if it was a breakup) and makes it seem like she returns to her previous passivity, which seems regressive.

And while I understand and appreciate following Yuzu's perspective, seeing and empathizing with the realism of how she gets over the breakup, again, the idea that we're just going to resort to a "Yuzu rallies friends, woos Mei back" is so fucking old lmao. I initially felt that Yuzu and Mei had made breakthroughs in their characterizations through the breakup, so for them to circle back to "passive" Mei and "will do anything to win back Mei" Yuzu is frustrating.

Whatever. At least Harumin and Matsuri remain fairly compelling as characters and a potential ship. Go HaruMatsu, I guess.

Yeah, Mei's passivity is really hurting the series at this point, I feel. I was a big defender of the "breakup through letter" move Mei pulled, because I felt it was both deeply in-line with Mei's character (yes, even her character growth) and also I'm a sucker for well-done angst lol. The tradeoff here, being, of course, that since Mei finally makes a move/her own decision with regards to ending their relationship (previously, I think, it was always Yuzu "calling the shots" and Mei more or less passively following her lead), then Mei has to win Yuzu back by making a move to repair their relationship. That Mei's been absent for so long takes away from the impact of her actually DOING shit (even if it was a breakup) and makes it seem like she returns to her previous passivity, which seems regressive.

And while I understand and appreciate following Yuzu's perspective, seeing and empathizing with the realism of how she gets over the breakup, again, the idea that we're just going to resort to a "Yuzu rallies friends, woos Mei back" is so fucking old lmao. I initially felt that Yuzu and Mei had made breakthroughs in their characterizations through the breakup, so for them to circle back to "passive" Mei and "will do anything to win back Mei" Yuzu is frustrating.

Could not agree more. I was gutted by the letter but felt it might be the start of something big in terms of a change in Mei's attitudes towards the relationship (and her life). And an opportunity also for Yuzu to gain some sense of perspective and learn to call Mei out on her sh*t rather than just being a lovesick puppy who needs help from everyone when there is trouble.

I mean, jeez I know they are teenagers, but needing that much "divine intervention" from friends is just...lame. So in 8 months, Yuzu never had the idea to go and confront Mei, and at least have minimum out of the box thinking like "hey maybe there is another way here"? Gawd.

In the end, it looks like the only real character development that ever happened was Matsuri turning into a mostly decent person for unexplained reasons (Harumin's influence maybe, or more bad writing!). And Sara accepting Nina thanks to Goddess Ichika lol

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matsuri_wins

You know what? it's hopeless to explain to you, how Saburo Uta wanted to tell Mei's perspective in this arrange marriage arc.

Holy sh*t, you've been reading 30 chapters of Citrus and you still haven't figure out the reason why Mei is so "dutiful", she's doing all of this for the people close to her.

I don't know how many times Saburo Uta hinted that Mei didn't like how other people, namely her grandfather control her life. yeah, she wanted to inherit the academy but she never wanted the conditions along with it.

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matsuri_wins

You know what? it's hopeless to explain to you, how Saburo Uta wanted to tell Mei's perspective in this arrange marriage arc.

Tell Mei's perspective by not showing her for half a year's worth of manga chapters? Lol I barely remember what she looks like anymore (jk).

Holy sh*t, you've been reading 30 chapters of Citrus and you still haven't figure out the reason why Mei is so "dutiful", she's doing all of this for the people close to her.

Chill. Let's agree to disagree.

In my opinion, a person's actions communicate who they are so I interpret the story the same way. Mei is doing these stuff because she puts her grandfather, family wealth and duties over Yuzu, friendship and love.

None of this is some sort of coincidence, it's who she is lol The letter was consistent with that. What else do you want me to think? Your idea that she left Yuzu, for Yuzu's benefit is like saying Shou left Mei for Mei's benefit. Of course not. Shou left Mei because he prioritized other stuff over Mei. Mei left Yuzu because she prioritized other stuff over Yuzu (and maybe rightly so, they are just teens after all and usually these romances don't even last).

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But it is true. Ever since she was a child he put pressure on her, telling her how much her father sucks and how he wants her to take over the academy and keep the "family tradition" (which is no tradition since he is the first one owning the school).

It isnt true. He didnt put pressure on her when she chose to stay behind when Shou decided to leave. Gramps didnt even raise her. Mei still lived in her dads house by herself. We have never heard of gramps opinion on Shou.

Actually, we have. Apart from saying that Shou is a failure (though he blames himself for it), this page also implies he did put at least some pressure on Mei, but I honestly do not think it was even needed, given Mei's personality. One thing Fipse missed, though, is that Shou, before his sudden "revelation", was also quite a strict person himself, and he too impressed upon Mei the importance of family legacy. I would even argue that his contribution was far more damaging, since his subsequent abandonment of those very same duties probably resulted in Mei being so stubborn about the whole thing, she feels she has to succeed where he failed, to fulfil those obligations in his stead.

But yeah, it is a common theme amongst the audience here, to 1) dismiss Mei's choices on the grounds of her upbringing; 2) blame everything on the grandfather; and 3) completely gloss over Shou's massive failures.

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