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Teru%20frown
joined Jul 9, 2020

Better a harsh truth than a comforting lie. Hiraizumi is dead. Her friends and family have already lost her, even if they haven't realized it yet. The longer a lie gets perpetuated, the more the truth will hurt. And considering how shoddy a job Imposter #2 is doing, seems inevitable someone is going to find out sooner rather than later, and probably die for that realization.

Also I guess this is supporting evidence for my hypothesis of slendy's species needs some time to get up to speed on How To Human? (Maybe the difference in development between "Mr. N" and #2 is down to #2 having a mentor to give her a crash course? Or maybe #2 could assimilate memories from her host, and Slendy never had actually had a host and just mimicked an appearance? I dunno, this could just be 'powers as plot demands'... but it's more enjoyable if there's internal logic.)

Seems both protagonists are going to have (and probably have been for a while) second thoughts about the skinsuit-in-waiting plan.

Chinchilla
joined Apr 28, 2022

Also leaving her alive. What's it to say "Mr. N" doesn't get bored and jump bodies and kill the other friend as well? This could just become a vicious cycle that needs to be handled.

last edited at Jun 7, 2026 5:39PM

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joined Jul 26, 2023

I feel like Itou's reaction is very normal tbh. What are they on?

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Cornonthekopp
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joined Jul 6, 2020

I feel like Itou's reaction is very normal tbh. What are they on?

Uh, the fact that her best friend Takahashi is a worm monster who did almost the same thing mr N did to Hiraizumi? It's not hard to agree with Itou about what happened to Hiraizumi, but if you agree that its unacceptable then Takahashi's own existence becomes similarly unacceptable.

It's been shown before that Takahashi is uncomfortable with this aspect of herself, and actively pulls away from Itou when she talks about using her own body for Takahashi's next suit. Her serene reaction to this reads to me like she wants Itou to kill her, and likes her more this way.

C2731dea4191b182ecd8f18498562a84
joined Sep 1, 2017

A monster just killed a girl and assumed her identity. And Takahashi's plan is to do nothing, because killing the monster will end the illusion that Hiraizumi is still alive, making people sad. Screw that crap! Hiraizumi is already dead. Give her loved ones a chance to properly greave and move on. I think it's much more cruel, to let that thing, live along side her family and friends pretending to be her. Not only is it cruel, it's also puts them in danger, living next to a murderous beast, with no clue of little Hiraizumi's true nature. I think it's a moral imperative to KILL THAT ASSHOLE, before it does it again, to someone else.

Look I think I remember there were other reasons they haven't killed that thing already. Honestly there are two or three different series with similar plots making it hard to keep track of all plot points. However this particular line of reasoning, is obviously just a thinly valed excuse to turn a blind eye to the murder of a friend.

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joined Aug 11, 2022

Just a reminder...Hiraizumi's death just happen like yesterday which was between ch.20 to 21 [Barely a whole 24 hours even passed, possibly even less than 24 hours total] (MC and her worm couldn't do jack yet due to the sudden kill and death plus Fake Hiraizumi being dragged away by Mr. N while MC was still processing everything).

Also thank you Translator for the reminder/pointing out that MC did infact say blasphemous in a previous chapter.

Takahashi talking to MC/Itou about her having to killing her worm-waifu...Nope, Nope, please nope! I had expect a bittersweet death at the end but not like that 0_0

We also don't feel that bad about Takahashi killing the former original Mr.M due to Mr.M....Kind of deserving it and due to Takahashi getting her current body for free...Once MC's see Takahashi kill anyone close to her then MC will definitely have mixed feelings about it (Random people of immoral background that kill other or have done crimes on the other hands...MC would probably just shrug it off and even offer to help).
We as humans don't have much a moral issue with Takahashi actions [Even though she did kind of try to kill MC in the past lol] due to not witnessing any of the possible 'innocent' people that Takahashi/Worm-chan might have killed in the past (I will be honest, I will be very surprised if Worm-chan hasn't killed any innocent people and MC was her first innocent person attempt).

Yeah...The only 'most' ethical method and way that MC and her worm-waifu could even have a happy ending together is 'if' there was like 45-50 total different morally acceptable targets that worm-chan could use for the next 85-99 years till MC dies...2-3 year per skin-suit body before getting a new one. EDIT: Even then that means getting MC's hands dirty a bit.

last edited at Jun 7, 2026 11:20PM

Watashi,%20apathetic%20(600x600)%20a
joined Jul 30, 2015

Yeah...The only 'most' ethical method and way that MC and her worm-waifu could even have a happy ending together is 'if' there was like 45-50 total different morally acceptable targets that worm-chan could use for the next 85-99 years till MC dies...2-3 year per skin-suit body before getting a new one. EDIT: Even then that means getting MC's hands dirty a bit.

That, or find a better way to make skin suits. If there's a shapeshifter that can slough off their forms for other monsters to use, or some way to steal the shapeshifting ability off a monster that needs to die anyway, then Takahashi could live without needing to kill anymore. Neither is necessarily likely, but we could hope...

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joined Jul 26, 2023

I feel like Itou's reaction is very normal tbh. What are they on?

Uh, the fact that her best friend Takahashi is a worm monster who did almost the same thing mr N did to Hiraizumi? It's not hard to agree with Itou about what happened to Hiraizumi, but if you agree that its unacceptable then Takahashi's own existence becomes similarly unacceptable.

It's been shown before that Takahashi is uncomfortable with this aspect of herself, and actively pulls away from Itou when she talks about using her own body for Takahashi's next suit. Her serene reaction to this reads to me like she wants Itou to kill her, and likes her more this way.

Ok, I understand it more now, thanks.

Ykn1
joined Dec 20, 2018

I guess we're now finally getting back to the end of chapter 15...

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joined Nov 21, 2018

Also leaving her alive. What's it to say "Mr. N" doesn't get bored and jump bodies and kill the other friend as well? This could just become a vicious cycle that needs to be handled.

Mr. N's plan is to kill and replace everyone in the class, so it is something that has to be handled quickly.

joined Jul 26, 2024

Also leaving her alive. What's it to say "Mr. N" doesn't get bored and jump bodies and kill the other friend as well? This could just become a vicious cycle that needs to be handled.

Mr. N's plan is to kill and replace everyone in the class, so it is something that has to be handled quickly.

Makes sense if this is simply the plan being executed, though that would make the new monster the equivalent of a baby who had no say in how they were born. I wonder if the personality is copied from Slender or comes from somewhere else. Not understanding human norms around death would be unsurprising if that's what's going on. Of course that doesn't make them safe either.

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Tag%20rock%20snake
joined Aug 16, 2014

I'm a bit surprised that Itou had as large a role in the murder of Hiraizumi's monster as she did. I figured it would be something Takanashi would undertake all on her own. I am also curious about this new monster that's shown up and what it intends to do (Unless it's Mr N, checking in on his spawn).

Chinchilla
joined Apr 28, 2022

I have a feeling the ending of this is just gonna be sad and depressing Itou is never gonna be happy shesh.

But this wasn't the he/she right she's still inside the teacher? This was some weird symbiotic part of N that was inside her body that they killed? So N is still alive which is lame.

Cornonthekopp
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joined Jul 6, 2020

Seeing the parallels drawn between the fake hiraizumi, takahashi, and itou herself it's hard not to feel bad for her. She didn't "choose" to be born in this way from mr. n, and there's easily a slightly different world where it's the fake hiraizumi that forms a connection with itou, just like takahashi did.

It's complex precisely because these monsters are specialized predators that need to consume humans to survive. I can't fault a fox for eating a rabbit, but at the same time it doesn't make it any better if it was a pet rabbit that I cherished. For it to be another human that would be even more difficult.

Ykn1
joined Dec 20, 2018

Suddenly, another twist!

joined Apr 16, 2022

Makes sense if this is simply the plan being executed, though that would make the new monster the equivalent of a baby who had no say in how they were born.

This turned out to be quite the prescient comment!

C2731dea4191b182ecd8f18498562a84
joined Sep 1, 2017

I know I argued to take that monster out, but that left me feeling a little sad.

Teru%20frown
joined Jul 9, 2020

I know I argued to take that monster out, but that left me feeling a little sad.

It's like putting down a rabid dog. A necessary action for public safety... But it's still sad, because it's a dead dog.

joined Jul 26, 2024

Makes sense if this is simply the plan being executed, though that would make the new monster the equivalent of a baby who had no say in how they were born.

This turned out to be quite the prescient comment!

I was thinking based on Slender's backstory and that they might be the same type of monster. There's some parallels here with them getting their human forms for the first time and having their naivety taken advantage of by a human, but I'm thinking it's entirely different type of monster.

This is based on them "finally" getting a human form, so they are not newly conscious. There's also the lack of transformation. We don't know if poison would work on Slender, but Slender seems to just reform / shapeshift if the body is damaged. Slender also has ties to monster society since they knew where to get more skins. Slender may have been keeping a monster inside their body somewhere - maybe the monster is a parasite and Slender temp hosted it? That seems like something they would do.

I could speculate more. However I'll spare you all since the monologue we all want is from the elegant tophat monster / jojo stand.

C2731dea4191b182ecd8f18498562a84
joined Sep 1, 2017

I know I argued to take that monster out, but that left me feeling a little sad.

It's like putting down a rabid dog. A necessary action for public safety... But it's still sad, because it's a dead dog.

That's part of it. However it was also because the monster trusted that Itou really just wanted to have a friendly chat. It even mused about it's likes a bit. It was like the poor bastard thought they would become friends or something. Combined with the fact that the damned thing didnt leave their friends' body, as it died, made it feel a little bit like a betrayal.

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