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Tron-legacy
joined Dec 11, 2017

On the topic of "professional vs fan translations". We got first volume released here and they made a blatant mistranslation, which changes context quite a bit. And of course there is no option to release fixed version. The advantage of digital translations you can always update.

What is the mistranslation, out of curiosity?

Karma
joined Oct 21, 2017

So first impressions:

Oh geez, this is pretty much what I expected but I feel so bad for Sayaka. I know that feels, kid. Desperately trying to hold it together around your crush, trying to metabolize the rejection and move forward without nuking the friendship. It's so hard and she's dealing with it admirably.

I feel sad for her that she feels like she was too slow. Touko basically fell for Yuu almost as instantly as she fell for Touko, so honestly, nothing she did differently could have changed any of that. I don't know if it would make it better or worse for her to know that It was out of her hands. I hate seeing her kick herself for something that she couldn't have changed anyway.

Don't worry am sure that Nakatani sensei has a plan to have Sayaka have her own happiness in the series too, like having her fall in love with another girl that love's her back.
Am kind of hoping she's planning on having that free-spirited girl from the light novel about Sayaka's past show up in the main-series, cause that girl actually had feelings for Sayaka.

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joined Oct 15, 2016

The way Touko realized her feelings thanks to Sayaka's own feelings was done extremely well IMO. Goddamn do i feel bad for Sayaka though. Hope she finds a good girlfriend in the future

I do feel that Sayaka was extremely slow to try to convey her feeling to Touko. But i also feel that she couldn't have done things differently since Touko would've never shown her weak side to her. If she decides to make a move earlier, Touko would've brushed things off and said bye to her.

Also, i'm legit hyped for Yuu's return to the scene. Wonder how she'll react to Touko's text. Next chapter can't come soon enough

Karma
joined Oct 21, 2017

The way Touko realized her feelings thanks to Sayaka's own feelings was done extremely well IMO. Goddamn do i feel bad for Sayaka though. Hope she finds a good girlfriend in the future

am sure that Nakatani sensei is planing on doing that for Sayaka.

Capture%20sakukallen
joined Apr 17, 2015

That was beautifully done…

Knowing not only that Touko loves Yuu, but her own rejected confession might be instrumental to bringing Touko and Yuu together… that's gotta hurt. And as others pointed out, it would actually have been worse if she had confessed earlier; Touko would have still rejected her, but would have been completely unequiped to deal with it emotionally.

And thanks to Nakatani for giving representation to the marginalized minority that are lesbian ducks.

Also, coincidence?

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joined Jul 29, 2017

Also, coincidence?

That’s why that one is my favorite in the anthology, despite the fact that the figures and faces aren’t especially close to Nakatani’s style. A number of the other stories were pretty fun, but the last one feels like an organic extension of the main story in a slightly different register.

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joined Oct 20, 2017

All that absolutely has to happen, as far as I can see, is that Yuu and Touko have a scene where they hash out the basis of their relationship going forward.

I'm really excited for the chapter where the climax is resolved. In a lot of romance stories there is usually some event that helps make the climax larger-than-life (like a Race For Your Love scene), but I find something like that unlikely here, knowing how this story has operated so far. There isn't even a time limit to expect, e.g. Touko's graduation is still only next year. So the chapter(s) where the last bits of the main conflict are fully resolved will have to rely on its own strengths, and that's something I'm really looking forward to.

I also want to see Touko doting on Yuu a lot, and Yuu being more openly affectionate and assertive. Like I want to see them act lovey-dovey after their relationship has become more of a two-way street.

I also think there's a high chance that Yuu will cry in the climax, since now she's the only one who hasn't cried, though it would be more balanced if Touko cried as well. Speaking of crying: I really appreciated the different ways Touko and Sayaka's crying are approached in ch. 38; it supports the feeling that Touko is caught off-guard by the emotions, while Sayaka sheds tears in a much more dignified way. That's good attention to detail.

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joined Jul 29, 2017

That's good attention to detail.

“Attention to detail” without being heavy-handed or fussy about it * has been this one’s signature all along.

  • Although some readers no doubt disagree.
joined Jul 26, 2014

Sayaka deserves a hot big tiddy gf good going through all this

joined Feb 11, 2018

Sayaka is easily my favorite character, but II don't wish for anything romantic for her at the moment. "Pair the spares" or "sudden girlfriend" would just make me feel profoundly unsatisfied.

IRest of the chapters should focus on Yuu and Touko, this time in a way that we actually learn the rest of who Yuu actually is by following her hopefully unrestrained self-discovery and how Touko actually ticks once she is free from her emotional bondage - Without the veil of uncertainty and OCD circular thinking.

IIf Sayaka is to meet someone else at some point, she needs a story of her own with that person and that love interest needs her own robust character development to match hers. Getting over someone you really like isn't something that can be done on a drop of a hat, even if you are well prepared. Sayaka wasn't just crushing on Touko, she definitely loves the heck out of her.

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joined Jul 29, 2017

Sayaka is easily my favorite character, but II don't wish for anything romantic for her at the moment. "Pair the spares" or "sudden girlfriend" would just make me feel profoundly unsatisfied.

IRest of the chapters should focus on Yuu and Touko, this time in a way that we actually learn the rest of who Yuu actually is by following her hopefully unrestrained self-discovery and how Touko actually ticks once she is free from her emotional bondage - Without the veil of uncertainty and OCD circular thinking.

IIf Sayaka is to meet someone else at some point, she needs a story of her own with that person and that love interest needs her own robust character development to match hers. Getting over someone you really like isn't something that can be done on a drop of a hat, even if you are well prepared. Sayaka wasn't just crushing on Touko, she definitely loves the heck out of her.

Just wanted to say that I agree with all of this. I understand all the love for Sayaka, but at this point a sudden pivot to a new girlfriend just to supply reader-feels would be basically disrespectful to the character and the care with which she has been developed in the story. The very thing that has made Sayaka so appealing to the audience stands in the way of any quick-feels-fix with a new partner. I’d say that best case is that eventually we get a hint or two that she may be looking in a new direction.

I’ve also been saying for a long time that Yuu, adorable and grounded as she is, still seems a bit underdeveloped as a character compared to Touko (and now Sayaka, to a certain extent), and there’s a good bit of room to explore her past and future character development.

Capture%20sakukallen
joined Apr 17, 2015

Someone on TVTropes pointed out something interesting…

Here's a fun thing: those ducks, assuming they're the same species, have been used as a metaphor for eternal love (since they mate for life) since the Heian Period. Including, as I wrote a paper on once, in correspondence and love poems between women - namely Murasaki Shikibu and Sei Shonagon (though not with each other because they kind of hated each other, as far as we can tell). In particular, Sei exchanged poems with her Lady, Empress Teishi, that used the ducks being lonely without their mates to express how sad Sei and Teishi were to be apart from each other.

Touko, being an outstanding student, would of course know that.

The more you know…

Tron-legacy
joined Dec 11, 2017

Just wanted to say that I agree with all of this. I understand all the love for Sayaka, but at this point a sudden pivot to a new girlfriend just to supply reader-feels would be basically disrespectful to the character and the care with which she has been developed in the story. The very thing that has made Sayaka so appealing to the audience stands in the way of any quick-feels-fix with a new partner. I’d say that best case is that eventually we get a hint or two that she may be looking in a new direction.

I’ve also been saying for a long time that Yuu, adorable and grounded as she is, still seems a bit underdeveloped as a character compared to Touko (and now Sayaka, to a certain extent), and there’s a good bit of room to explore her past and future character development.

This has got to get released on this website. The forum is starting to look like a redacted CIA conspiracy document.

I think Sayaka's spinoff novels are the most likely place for her to get a new girlfriend. In the original manga, unless it carries on for a lot longer past Yuu and Touko repairing their relationship, I also agree it would seem uncharacteristic to jump her straight into a relationship with someone else. I think we'll probably get a hint, like you mention.

Since we didn't see the content of Touko's text, I feel like we're going to see it when Yuu does, either at the beginning or the end of the next chapter.

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Hanging%20chito%20ava
joined Dec 18, 2016

I’ve also been saying for a long time that Yuu, adorable and grounded as she is, still seems a bit underdeveloped as a character compared to Touko (and now Sayaka, to a certain extent), and there’s a good bit of room to explore her past and future character development.

What do you mean underdeveloped? As in her developments have yet to come together? Cuz as the protagonist, her getting to that point would be the end of the series if anything.

joined Jul 26, 2016

I’ve also been saying for a long time that Yuu, adorable and grounded as she is, still seems a bit underdeveloped as a character compared to Touko (and now Sayaka, to a certain extent), and there’s a good bit of room to explore her past and future character development.

What do you mean underdeveloped? As in her developments have yet to come together? Cuz as the protagonist, her getting to that point would be the end of the series if anything.

She's better developed than Touko thought at least.
>_>
<_<
...I'll see myself out.

Hanging%20chito%20ava
joined Dec 18, 2016

She's better developed than Touko thought at least.

& Touko will help her develop some more in the future.

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joined Jul 29, 2017

She's better developed than Touko thought at least.

& Touko will help her develop some more in the future.

Har-dee-har-har. No, not her darling little figure, but maybe, for example, a bit more insight into the origins of her initial ideas about romance. I mean, I suspect most pre-teens and adolescents see how romance is portrayed in pop music, romance stories, etc. and try to figure out how much of that corresponds to reality. Yuu seems like a rather extreme case, though, so is there more of an explanation for it than an assigned character trait? And in general, I’m saying there’s more room to see aspects of her that aren’t directly reactive to Touko.

Also, as we’ve been saying, Yuu has regressed a bit in her attitudes towards her own emotions. It should take a good deal more than a “Hey Yuu, sweetie, my bad—let’s get back together!” text from Touko to get their relationship on a more stable footing.

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joined Jun 28, 2012

Are we still talking about a chapter that hasn't been translated or posted on Dynasty yet? It's a forest of black bars in here.

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joined Jul 29, 2017

Are we still talking about a chapter that hasn't been translated or posted on Dynasty yet? It's a forest of black bars in here.

We're trying to be good, since a translation is up elsewhere--when the chapter finally gets to Dynasty we'll really get down to some serious analysis. lol

Nyohohoho
joined Apr 20, 2013

Yaay! 4s finished their version!

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joined Sep 19, 2017

Someone must put it here already. Lol. People are itching to talk and analyze it seriously.

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4bbe1078a9d82bf519de9e5fc56dee60
joined Feb 18, 2018

Wow, I am late to the party this time. Did Sayaka bang Touko or?

Hanging%20chito%20ava
joined Dec 18, 2016

https://twitter.com/kusunoki_AMW/status/1091364155578146816
https://twitter.com/kusunoki_AMW/status/1091364156823859200

So Kusunoki tweeted about how the English title came to be. They wanted it to reflect the idea of growth specifically in relations to flowers, so at first they came up with "Blossom out into Yourself." Then Nakatani reached out to an American friend for help and that person suggested "Bloom into You." That's how we got our title. Thank you, American friend.

This pretty much confirms the "Eventually, (You) will Become You(rself)" interpretation of the Japanese title.

joined Oct 11, 2018

Okay. No spoilers here, just wanted to say that the new chapter made me very happy and satisfied.
The themes in this story are so heavy and satisfying, I feel physically stronger after reading every chapter.
It's like going weightlifting where each chapter is a single rep. It's satisfying to see that one finish, but you want to hurry on to the next one and make them gains.
Weird comparison?

Fad8970e-c901-4004-bae1-4e5d013b5424
joined Jan 19, 2019

Wow, I am late to the party this time. Did Sayaka bang Touko or?

Well, what I can say is that she certainly made her wet. Like, a lot.

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