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joined Jan 7, 2018

The same way loving girl without confession is not yuri? Sorry pal, but it doesn't work like that. It isn't about expressing feelings, but what those feelings are. As long as character is lesbian and/or have feelings for other girl, that is yuri. The same way they don't have to accept their confession, for it to count as yuri. Soooo, you answered yourself 1 month ago.

even though i'm really tired of these types of arguments, i'll have to reply to you since this manga is one of my favs.
firstly, let's go back to Yuri's actual definition(acording to wiki):

Yuri (百合, "lily"), also known by the wasei-eigo construction Girls' Love (ガールズラブ gāruzu rabu),[3] is a Japanese jargon term for content and a genre involving lesbian relationships in manga, anime, and related Japanese media.[4][5] Yuri focuses on the sexual orientation or the romantic orientation aspects of the relationship, or both, the latter of which is sometimes called shōjo-ai by Western fandom.[6]

so as you see, NO, a girl simply having feelings for another girl isn't yuri, you may argue that it is a yuri crush or shoujo ai, but it is totally not yuri, yuri is a RELATIONSHIP not a feeling, and the same is that if a girl simply had feelings for a boy, without any drama or confession, it is not called Romance. if so, then we would've seen most of anime shows tagged with yuri or romance just simply because they have characters that have love interests, but that is not the case.

However, since dynasty reader is a yuri focused website, it is normal to see a manga tagged with yuri even though it doesn't have a proper confession or relationship, just 1 lesbian girl is enough for dynasty to tag as yuri(and that's one of the reason why a lot of arguments occurs in this website on this matter), but if you checked other manga websites, you'd see that even the most obvious yuri works here, they are not tagged as yuri there(Futari Monolouge, Yuzumori-san, Swap Swap..etc), though you might see the shoujo ai tag.

You might tell me "based on you what you've said, it is normal for dynasty to het tag works to warn readers and to distinguish yuri from non-yuri"
well, if this was Kodomo no jikan or happy end discussion, then i would've agreed. but for this manga, you can't het tag it to warn users of het romance or het endings, this one clearly ended with yuri, not even a confession or a kiss or any het fucks were given, and if you look at other works, like "the feelings we must all endure" which i've recently started reading it, even though it clearly has a straight girl that is dating a guy who she also had sex with, it is not tagged as het! which i may agree because she realized she was a lesbian and that she loves that other girl which also possibly ended with yuri but i'm not sure i'm not done with it yet, however, manga like "Toumei na Usui Mizuiro ni" even though it ended with yuri i agree on tagging it as het since it deals with a love triangle relationship that involves a boy, i also don't think the mods would hesitate to remove the yuri tag or replace it with yuri crush tag if this manga ended with het(see for reference kodomo no jikan tags). anyway, this manga is not popular to the point i had my yuri tag suggestion refused two times until they finally decided to tag it as yuri after i complained, and i doubt they'd bother to remove the het tag.

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joined Aug 16, 2014

so as you see, NO, a girl simply having feelings for another girl isn't yuri [...]

Yet, the same article you used as source considers PMMM yuri, so they clearly don't consider a confession to be essential.

[...] but if you checked other manga websites, you'd see that even the most obvious yuri works here, they are not tagged as yuri there(Futari Monolouge, Yuzumori-san, Swap Swap..etc), though you might see the shoujo ai tag.

The usage of "shoujo ai" for works that aren't "yuri enough" for whomever is tagging, though, needs to be terminated with extreme prejudice.

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joined Jan 7, 2018

so as you see, NO, a girl simply having feelings for another girl isn't yuri [...]

Yet, the same article you used as source considers PMMM yuri, so they clearly don't consider a confession to be essential.

this is the wiki page for pmmm and as you see the genres, no they don't consider it yuri.

[...] but if you checked other manga websites, you'd see that even the most obvious yuri works here, they are not tagged as yuri there(Futari Monolouge, Yuzumori-san, Swap Swap..etc), though you might see the shoujo ai tag.

The usage of "shoujo ai" for works that aren't "yuri enough" for whomever is tagging, though, needs to be terminated with extreme prejudice.

i don't like the shoujo ai tag either, they even tagged citrus and netsuzou trap as shoujo ai on mal lol even though any dumb idiot would know they are yuri works, at this point, i don't know what kind of show is yuri enough for them to tag it as yuri.
edit: just checked mal, it seems the yuri and yaoi tags don't exist on this "international" website, it looks like they don't consider yuri as an official tag.

last edited at Aug 28, 2018 9:04PM

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joined Aug 16, 2014

Yet, the same article you used as source considers PMMM yuri, so they clearly don't consider a confession to be essential.

this is the wiki page for pmmm and as you see the genres, no they don't consider it yuri.

Yes, they do, along the likes of Azumanga Daioh, CCS and Nanoha.

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joined Jan 7, 2018

it seems they just threw in that section any work that had subtext moments or at least 1 lesbian girl, like for real, do you consider maria holic a yuri??! just because the main girl is a lesbian, i'm not sure if she came to love the trap but because the show was obviously hinting towards it i dropped the show. the same goes for mikagura gakuen, ben-to and railgun, like i said, a lesbian character doesn't mean the show is yuri. Yuyushiki, Kiniro Moasic and saki aren't even tagged yuri here on dynasty. Azumanga daioh and non non byori are tagged here as yuri crush, not yuri. Hibike! eupho, attack on titan, a-channel, sabagebu and chuunibyou are all plain subtext. can you even call inuxboku and seikon no qwaser subtext idk. i haven't watched pmmm, ccs, nanoha yet so idk if they are just another subtext, but based on your reply it seems they are just yuri crush with no confessions or canon couples.

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joined Aug 16, 2014

Just pointed that the article you're using as a trustworthy source isn't really consistent. I chose examples that are all around, that was the point. In one there's a (ignored) confession, another has the girls basically married, but without a word being confirmed, and so on.

About the tagging (in Dynasty), sure, if you want to go technical, you probably may say that many of the works don't qualify as yuri genre (for which it's possible many works that even have confessions wouldn't qualify), but Yuri is used here to indicate the content of a given work, specifically, that there's a female that has romantic and/or sexual feelings for another female. It's also worth mentioning that yuri crush, as a dynasty tag, is not synonymous with "one-sided love", which still falls into yuri.

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joined Jan 7, 2018

Just pointed that the article you're using as a trustworthy source isn't really consistent. I chose examples that are all around, that was the point. In one there's a (ignored) confession, another has the girls basically married, but without a word being confirmed, and so on.

About the tagging (in Dynasty), sure, if you want to go technical, you probably may say that many of the works don't qualify as yuri genre (for which it's possible many works that even have confessions wouldn't qualify), but Yuri is used here to indicate the content of a given work, specifically, that there's a female that has romantic and/or sexual feelings for another female. It's also worth mentioning that yuri crush, as a dynasty tag, is not synonymous with "one-sided love", which still falls into yuri.

well, in the end it occurs to me that everyone have their own definition of yuri, and there isn't really a single consistent definition.
i was just being general so i can prove why this manga doesn't deserve the het tag. i don't have a problem with how dynasty yuri tag works here since most of them at some point contain yuri. however, het tag is another story, you have to be careful with that. many people here instantly run away at the sight of a het tag, and i bet most people dropped this manga because of the het tag(see the previous comments) and because it doesn't show the yuri until a couple of chapters later. heck, even the rest of the chapters which yuri gets strong and obvious in were uploaded here just recently, so not a single chance was given to this manga. after all that, keeping the het tag is really an unfair thing to do, don't you think?

last edited at Aug 28, 2018 11:56PM

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joined Aug 16, 2014

[...] keeping the het tag is really an unfair thing to do, don't you think?

Tbh if this wasn't tagged Het, all these

i bet most people dropped this manga because of the het tag

people probably would've lost their shit at the first chapters, so I think it might be for the best.

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joined Jan 7, 2018

[...] keeping the het tag is really an unfair thing to do, don't you think?

Tbh if this wasn't tagged Het, all these

i bet most people dropped this manga because of the het tag

people probably would've lost their shit at the first chapters, so I think it might be for the best.

i guess you're probably right(still wasn't a reason for them to prevent uploading it), but now the het tag has no use, though i already lost interest and i don't care anymore if they remove it or not.

and btw, Mankitsu scans, i hope that you're working on the last 3(or4?) chapters, you're my last hope T_T

joined Oct 3, 2018

and btw, Mankitsu scans, i hope that you're working on the last 3(or4?) chapters, you're my last hope T_T

I’m jumping on the same boat, I really hope that the series is gonna fully translated. What a pleasant feeling when you read a het story, expecting a het plot but then you have surprise yuri!

joined May 24, 2014

Het or yuri, these guys are real jerks!

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joined Dec 16, 2013

it will end with threesome.

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joined Mar 12, 2014

Just read all of these in one go, mixed thoughts about it, but for a love comedy love triangle I am actually kind of enjoying it?

The Yuri for me outweighs the childhood het pairing, especially as MC dumb protag is so invested in his manga that there hasn't been ANY real romance with him and Sarina. I do like him though, more so than the usual protag as he's not TOTALLY clueless

Plus damnnnn after chapter 19, that reveal was top notch. I was still hurting from that page ( https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/joou_sama_no_eshi_ch13#13) and its nice to see that it was something to later be registered instead of just ignored as a lol Yuri is gross joke

I would be very surprised if there's no Yuri end somewhere, just from how it was treated in earlier chapters, I feel like it's been taken more seriously than other love triangles

But WE'LL SEE I guess

last edited at Oct 28, 2018 5:50AM

Wtfsakura
joined Nov 5, 2017

Hum... if it's not too much can someone make a little summary about this manga ? Thank you.

Yuu
joined Mar 28, 2015

Ryu-chii posted:

Hum... if it's not too much can someone make a little summary about this manga ? Thank you.

It's a meta-comedy about mangakas. With some ecchi.

And an eventual lesbian couple.

It seems likes the lesbian couple is the end game (as per spoilers in previous comments), so it redeems this manga a bit. Other than that, it's nothing special.

last edited at Oct 28, 2018 7:24AM

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joined Jul 20, 2016

Ryu-chii posted:

Hum... if it's not too much can someone make a little summary about this manga ? Thank you.

It's a meta-comedy about mangakas. With some ecchi.

And an eventual lesbian couple.

It seems likes the lesbian couple is the end game (as per spoilers in previous comments), so it redeems this manga a bit. Other than that, it's nothing special.

Watch, they'll swerve the ending to het right at the end, just like "Happy End"

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joined Jan 7, 2018

Watch, they'll swerve the ending to het right at the end, just like "Happy End"

rest assured my friend :D

Thanks for the chapter, Mankitsu scans.

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joined Aug 26, 2018

I love het-baiting, it’s always so satisfying. Especially this manga, it comes off as typical ecchi het bs, but it’s actually gay af

Wtfsakura
joined Nov 5, 2017

Ryu-chii posted:

Hum... if it's not too much can someone make a little summary about this manga ? Thank you.

It's a meta-comedy about mangakas. With some ecchi.

And an eventual lesbian couple.

It seems likes the lesbian couple is the end game (as per spoilers in previous comments), so it redeems this manga a bit. Other than that, it's nothing special.

Thank you. ;)

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joined Jan 24, 2018

Well I'm hooked. Funny with a not so serious feel but still a serious enough story line to have the characters develop.... there's a yuri storm acomin'. Some angsty parts but not usually too dramatic, usually smoothed over in the following chapter

joined Mar 5, 2016

i feel like this started out as pretty porny and then shot right off into being about making comics and being an okay adult and becoming gay. there's still the tits and ass and all but now it feels like more of an extra thing thrown in just because instead of a focal point.

like, it started out with fuji being made to draw porn that would get yukimori wet, now they're all working together on comics and he's figuring out what genres he can do.

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joined Sep 8, 2017

Just found this and read through the first chapter only. Can anyone tell me if this is actually het or yuri? Or like a combo of both where one of the girls ends up with a guy for part of it then switches over to the gay side? Or, worse, they bait you with the smart girl having feelings for the other girl, but then make her fall in love with the bumbling protagonist guy? Seems funny enough, and I like the art style, but I'm unfortunately very uptight about my yuri and usually drop stuff that brings in het, especially ones that pull the old gay to het switcheroo on the reader. Would just like to know if it's worth reading or not.

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Popcorn
joined Jun 5, 2015

It has confirmed yuri ending. MC is comicsexual anyway.

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joined Sep 8, 2017

It has confirmed yuri ending. MC is comicsexual anyway.

Thanks for the confirmation!

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joined Apr 25, 2014

it seems they just threw in that section any work that had subtext moments or at least 1 lesbian girl, like for real, do you consider maria holic a yuri??! just because the main girl is a lesbian, i'm not sure if she came to love the trap but because the show was obviously hinting towards it i dropped the show.

maria holic is a comedy with yuri. she does not fall in love with the trap and i do not remember the show ever hinting that they would get together.

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