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joined Jul 26, 2016

seriously ?!! what kind of disgusting reasoning is that?! "she's going to get married become pregnant and quit" so don't give her big task because she's just a breeding cow to be??? am i the only one who got mad a this sexist way of thinking?

You'd be surprised what kinds of hurdles the possibility of mere maternity leave can raise even in the most progressive Western countries, then. And near as I've heard Japanese childcare support systems are still basically built around the housewife paradigm so...

That's rather less actual sexism than simply hedging your bets in the face of certain biological realities (ie. human pregancies are somewhat disabling) and related archaic social policies (ie. kids need a lot of looking after and if the family is expected to mostly do it themselves...).

Marion Diabolito
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joined Jan 5, 2015

I can affirm that the paradigm of only working till marriage and then work me are you kidding is still alive in Japan for women. A man who doesn't meet that expectation either won't find a wife or will be in for a very miserable marriage. But that said, there have been tons of career women for at least 20 years, so, depending on the field, that would be outrageous and she could easily complain. The problem is if it's a company where the women are mostly OLs simply waiting out their time before marriage, she's the odd one out and even all the women there wouldn't support her making a fuss. Notice what she actually did, though: she tested the waters by more or less insisting on working on the very account they were dubious about. That does two things - it forces their decision into the light (which usually changes a Japanese business decision) and it gives a signal she's not just waiting to get married and quit working. Kodama Naoko likes strong women characters, I think - look at the publisher of Renai Manga basically saying "work or marriage is bullshit, girls."

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I don't know if this ameliorates anything, but we're really talking up to around first grade or so: after that, the kids are on their own as long as they obey school rules and get good grades. At that point, mom might as well find something she likes to do and do that, even if as a part-time job. We usually see that in manga as "mom is never home/sad lonely girl." Before first grade or so the care is smothering and overwhelming, but after that, they are definitely not helicopter parents.

joined Jul 26, 2016

Which is one of the reasons the whole housewife thing is kind of stupid bullshit (now that it isn't a practical necessity anymore) since it basically leaves perfectly healthy and capable adults sitting idle after the kids grow up.

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joined Jun 5, 2015

So, am I the only one that totally missed that there is a flashback in middle of the chapter and thought kouhai confessed to different girl and got rejected?

daydream_dog94
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joined Dec 4, 2017

possible shit storm incoming!! prepare for the draaamaa!!

joined Aug 28, 2016

This might not be the most original development in the world, but in context, it's a pretty effective way to force Machi to reevaluate how she really feels about Hana. As long as their marriage is "fake", it's no problem if they see other people... so if Machi does have a problem with it, she's gonna have some introspection to do. I prefer stories full of drama over stories where nothing happens (and I mean really, what do you expect from Kodama Naoko by now), so I'm feeling pretty positive about the direction of the story overall.

Plus, right now, I'm more worried about whatever Machi's mother has to say.

Arg
joined Jan 17, 2014

Wouldn't it be the nicest thing if the plot was about faking marriage to not be bothered by your parents and people and then they bother you anyway?
bravo Kodama.

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joined Mar 21, 2016

yay~ finally the new girl has arrived! I love her sassy looks already xD

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joined Oct 1, 2014

Please Naoko don't fuck this up...

joined Mar 15, 2015

The girls kinda remind me of the 2 main characters in Stretch.

Ava
joined Jul 16, 2013

Which is one of the reasons the whole housewife thing is kind of stupid bullshit (now that it isn't a practical necessity anymore) since it basically leaves perfectly healthy and capable adults sitting idle after the kids grow up.

It is also an old concept that does not even work in old conservative Japan.

Cat
joined Jul 27, 2015

This kind of parents who want to decide every-single-fucking-thing-in-every-god-damn-aspect of their children's life triggers me SO HARD.
It's just like my parents. Fucking forced me into the university I don't like. I'm still having so much trouble dealing with all of the subjects cuz I have literally no idea what to do with them, nor that I can understand any of them. And each time I complain they only say "Keep trying" WELL YOU GO AND TRY THEN.

If you ever have kids, lads, don't do that shit. The things you THINK that are gonna be good for your child and the things that are truly good for them (and things they want) are different. You need to help them realize what is good for them, and what is the best choice, not to decide for them.

last edited at Jun 4, 2018 8:46PM

herenowforever
joined Feb 11, 2018

Plus, right now, I'm more worried about whatever Machi's mother has to say.

She's going to bitch her about something like wanting grandchildren, homosexual relationships being unnatural and/or harmful, suspect their relationship can't possibly be real and that her wife is a bum who doesn't have a proper job and is just leeching off her. As least she doesn't have the Bible excuse too to go with that stuff...

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joined Apr 29, 2018

i don't know why but i think sh*t will come and the Mc will kinda date the girl. she will be a coward and then date a guy because "moma told me so". and then she will cheat on her "girlfriend" till some sh*t like pregnancy happen to her and then end of the story the other girl will find a new love and we'll have a bittersweet end. i wouldn't be suprise since this author do thoses kind of endings A LOT!. that's kodama naoko we're talking about! the exact same person who did NTR! so for me this could be POSSIBLE (i say possible not SURE) that this story could have NTR and drama in it sooner or later. plus the fact that the mother came to say bullsh*t to her daughter just keep ringing my maximum alert bells.

last edited at Jun 4, 2018 9:51PM

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joined May 10, 2013

The girls kinda remind me of the 2 main characters in Stretch.

I was think about this, the character desing is kinda similar,besides some characteristics in history for example the bad relationship with the parents.

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joined Sep 10, 2017

NOOOOOO NOT DRAMA AGAIN, ok the mom gives me serious bad vibes, the new girl though... not so much.

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joined Sep 25, 2015

Work your magic, Naoko-san and plunge us deeper into a spiral of despair!

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joined Jul 20, 2016

So, am I the only one that totally missed that there is a flashback in middle of the chapter and thought kouhai confessed to different girl and got rejected?

Nah, I missed that also but realized it was both of them in college when she confessed to her, guess we're just slow

Homumug
joined Jan 13, 2015

Oh boy, time for pointless drama.

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joined Sep 1, 2017

I've read several novels, about lesbian first love. I was surprised on how many mcs had the subplot of an overbearing mother, that micro-managed their lives.

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joined Nov 8, 2017

Oh wow, I had forgotten about this series. Nevertheless, I'm glad for a new chapter. lol

Edit: @Hatshuharu I feel you about controlling parents. They force me to do a lot of stuff I obviously don't want to do under the pretense that's for my own good an/or so that I can take care of myself when they're gone, and if I ever slightly disagree with them they think I'm an ungrateful son, which ends up making that true.
And my mom is one of those people that think internet friends aren't real friends, and even believes my internet friends are pitting me against them (when a lot of these friends try to defend my parents).

Anyway, I can take drama, I just demand a proper happy ending. NOT a bittersweet or open ending. I'm tired of those.
It seems the Japanese either make a sad/bittersweet ending or a shitty ending even if it's supposed to be a happy ending. I'm starting to think the Japanese don't know how to end stories and that really bothers me.

last edited at Jun 5, 2018 1:18AM

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joined Apr 15, 2018

Things are going dramatic

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joined Mar 15, 2017

I think things are going well for the pair until the impending drama foreshadowing in the end so thanks Kodama for reminding me that I shouldn't expect happy things from this series. For the next chapter I think I'll read the comments first before reading the chapter.

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Really wonderful chapter that reassured me in how this was going to go. ...and then the end came, promising all kinds of drama. I hope Naoko-sensei can keep it to a mild level, because I am enjoying this a lot so far.

Thank you, Chaosteam.

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