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Internet_lied
joined Jul 15, 2016

So is Dahlia actually Shion's older sister or not?

AFAIU Dahlia and Shion are unrelated. So are Dahlia and Violet, it seems to me, but they did have a sister-like relationship in their childhoods, which Dahlia had apparently betrayed on the Day of Ashes.

Dark_Tzitzimine
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Ah, my bad. I meant Dahlia and Violet.

But if they were just school friend, why call her "older sister"? However close people get with friends, I have never seen anyone call them older/younger siblings before. "Like an older/younger sibling," yes, but I don't know if it's just the translation.

joined Aug 1, 2022

I hope this series isn't ending soon! That last dialougue bubble sounded ominous.

joined Jan 17, 2024

Ah, my bad. I meant Dahlia and Violet.

But if they were just school friend, why call her "older sister"? However close people get with friends, I have never seen anyone call them older/younger siblings before. "Like an older/younger sibling," yes, but I don't know if it's just the translation.

It's a whole Thing in high-society (mostly all-girls) schools in Japan (at least in the world of manga, I don't know enough to say how true-to-life it is) where an upperclassman and a freshman will take a sisterly vow or whatever, and take care of each other as (high-society) sisters would. You're going to see it a lot of you continue using this site and reading random yuri.

Unrelated question out of random curiosity, is there a consistent word Frost is saying that's being translated as "Yeah."? Is it just "hai", or "nn", or what?

joined Jun 8, 2022

Big ouch on Violet's behalf; the sentiment of 'everything you're saying is reasonable, but I've been stewing in hate and resentment too long to be able to accept it that easily' is a real thing, if rarely copped to so openly. Heck, throwing her inclusion in the gem business would be a hell of a coup if profit was her only interest (and sidenote, getting a trade professional in on that rather than just Frost is something that I suspect would let them stretch the value further even if there wasn't intentional price gouging).

My guess/hope is that Frost and Shion are going to need to team up to beat the dragon, which just might get Violet to relent, especially if there's a particularly dramatic moment of the Black Knight covering for her bodyguard.

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joined Jun 19, 2016

Ah, my bad. I meant Dahlia and Violet.

But if they were just school friend, why call her "older sister"? However close people get with friends, I have never seen anyone call them older/younger siblings before. "Like an older/younger sibling," yes, but I don't know if it's just the translation.

It's a whole Thing in high-society (mostly all-girls) schools in Japan (at least in the world of manga, I don't know enough to say how true-to-life it is) where an upperclassman and a freshman will take a sisterly vow or whatever, and take care of each other as (high-society) sisters would. You're going to see it a lot of you continue using this site and reading random yuri.

Unrelated question out of random curiosity, is there a consistent word Frost is saying that's being translated as "Yeah."? Is it just "hai", or "nn", or what?

To confirm for those still confused, Violet and Dahlia are not actually related, as was implied in the very first reveal that they knew each other. In ch14, Dahlia says their academy had a 姉妹制度 (sister system) where older students would look after a younger one. That's all the information we're given, really. As far as I can tell, this isn't a real thing outside of anime.

In this chapter Frost says "aa" at the end which is like a tough guy affirmative grunt (so tled as casual yeah). If you watch some shonen anime you'll hear it eventually. This is also an anime only style of speaking as far as I'm aware. If you point out the other examples I can let you know but I don't think there's like a single common repeated phrase she uses.

joined Aug 11, 2022

Eh....it a Japan and other different countries culture thing +Unique Yuri-church school style theme style

...Like in Korea older males and female are sometimes called as hyung and oppa by younger males/females. Kind of like in America you have slang like "Bro, that is tough"/ "Bro, you good?"/ "Bro, dude...This is heavy", "You go girl!"/ "You go, sister!"/ "You slay, queen~!!" Though in America you often call random people "Sir" or "Ma'am"...or none of those at all if your dealing with a crazy person obsessed with pronouns...in fact some people don't even use Sir or Ma'am and just hello, can I ask a question of something.
.... It also depend on the current generation of culture, slang and depending on the people age....like I said there are millions....billions of people in the world and dozens types of culture.

Depends on your relationship and how close, your current relationship with people. Kind of like just because you do not personally seen it IRL does not mean it does not exist...Like I do not know the dozen to hundreds of celebrities in famous movies (Can barely remember like 10-15 famous actors) or dozens of famous U-tubers does not mean they do not exist or they are not actually famous.

Also RIP Violet...She was planning this whole revenge plan thingy...but eh end having the chance to fulfill her dream of helping people in the frontier and possibly finding out the BK (Black knight) she hated and assumed was responsible for her Grandfather's death is not horrible and not responsible like she thought....Logically she knows what the most logic thing is to do to help everyone "win"....But emotional....this is very conflicting and damaging to her....Thankfully though...DEUS MACHINE IN THE FORM OF RANDOM RED DRAGON = TEAMWORK LOL XD

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dumbasses

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I dunno bout the revenge angle. she clearly didnt keep the spy for "revenge" pruposes.

Eh? Why wouldn't she have a spy for revenge purposes? If you want revenge on someone, you're going to want to get information about them to facilitate that.

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joined Jul 29, 2024

Big ouch on Violet's behalf; the sentiment of 'everything you're saying is reasonable, but I've been stewing in hate and resentment too long to be able to accept it that easily' is a real thing, if rarely copped to so openly. Heck, throwing her inclusion in the gem business would be a hell of a coup if profit was her only interest (and sidenote, getting a trade professional in on that rather than just Frost is something that I suspect would let them stretch the value further even if there wasn't intentional price gouging).

My guess/hope is that Frost and Shion are going to need to team up to beat the dragon, which just might get Violet to relent, especially if there's a particularly dramatic moment of the Black Knight covering for her bodyguard.

Agreed with everything you've said, and I've been hoping for a Frost/Shion bonding scene ever since their very (un)serious fight.

Internet_lied
joined Jul 15, 2016

Ah, my bad. I meant Dahlia and Violet.

But if they were just school friend, why call her "older sister"? However close people get with friends, I have never seen anyone call them older/younger siblings before. "Like an older/younger sibling," yes, but I don't know if it's just the translation.

It's a whole Thing in high-society (mostly all-girls) schools in Japan (at least in the world of manga, I don't know enough to say how true-to-life it is) where an upperclassman and a freshman will take a sisterly vow or whatever, and take care of each other as (high-society) sisters would. You're going to see it a lot of you continue using this site and reading random yuri.

Unrelated question out of random curiosity, is there a consistent word Frost is saying that's being translated as "Yeah."? Is it just "hai", or "nn", or what?

To confirm for those still confused, Violet and Dahlia are not actually related, as was implied in the very first reveal that they knew each other. In ch14, Dahlia says their academy had a 姉妹制度 (sister system) where older students would look after a younger one. That's all the information we're given, really. As far as I can tell, this isn't a real thing outside of anime.

I am assuming this is based on the "Class S" tradition, which was in place at some all-girls schools in pre-WW2 Japan. AFAIK that is pretty much the conceptual origin of the entire modern yuri genre. A YouTuber named Meeka le Fay had recently made a great video recapping this particular history, among other things, but I'm sure there are a lot more sources on it.

Capture
joined Aug 12, 2021

I know that class S is at this point kind of antiquated but I'm honestly kind of surprised there's people reading yuri who just I guess aren't familiar enough with it to know when someone is an older sister (class s) or an older sister (related)

And like obviously it's easy enough to do so because it's been what a decade since class s was largely superseded by just straight up gay bitches but still, it always surprises me.

Chimera
joined Aug 2, 2023

I know that class S is at this point kind of antiquated but I'm honestly kind of surprised there's people reading yuri who just I guess aren't familiar enough with it to know when someone is an older sister (class s) or an older sister (related)

And like obviously it's easy enough to do so because it's been what a decade since class s was largely superseded by just straight up gay bitches but still, it always surprises me.

It's probably also based largely on what sort of romance you prefer. Class S is more or less mutually exclusive with most non-school settings, especially those featuring adult characters. I can absolutely see some readers who got into yuri later in life being unaware of the concept.

joined Apr 13, 2025

Anyone notice how Shion was so enraged by Frost saying that her father was overcome by the armor that she tried to draw down on her?
Or that she has a hatred of knights. Especially “lecherous knights”.
Or that she’s 2m tall and has dark hair. Not unlike Frost was expected to have…

Am I crazy to think that the sister drama has only just begun?

Internet_lied
joined Jul 15, 2016

Anyone notice how Shion was so enraged by Frost saying that her father was overcome by the armor that she tried to draw down on her?
Or that she has a hatred of knights. Especially “lecherous knights”.
Or that she’s 2m tall and has dark hair. Not unlike Frost was expected to have…

Am I crazy to think that the sister drama has only just begun?

Hoho, you think that Frost's failure of a dad had begun sleeping around after locking up his wife? Wouldn't put it past him, honestly.

EDIT: We don't know much about Shion's background IIRC, but Clarice notes that her sword is unusual and her name does not fit the rest of the characters' theme, so it's safe to assume that she embodies the "Token Samurai In A European Setting" trope. I am not sure whether anyone had remarked that she has unusual facial features, indicating that she is actually from the setting's Japan equivalent, but if so, then the theory would be that she at least has a different mother than Frost. Otherwise, it is feasible that Frost is a changeling, or was simply switched out for Shion right after birth, so Shion grew up with different parents.

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I hope this series isn't ending soon! That last dialogue bubble sounded ominous.

I share this fear, too, as many story elements seem to be resolved at once in this volume (a little rushed). But if it ends with volume 3, it will be pretty unsatisfying since the main couple has barely anything going on, which should be the main focus in a romance manga. Like Frost only started to treat Clair like a decent human being in this volume and if they pull out some last minute out of nowhere romantic scene (which would be tottaly out of character) that'll be a clear sign they have to end this. Not to mention that "my family needs money and my sister will die, so i lied" plot seems to be completely forgotten even though that was the major goal in the beginning. Honestly, I'm worried it either got axed or they never thought the story could reach volume 4. Anyway, I have two months to stay positive. :)

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Chocolate Cake
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joined Jul 1, 2025

Right, that's what bothered me about this chapter. Since it's been rather straightforward in its delivery, I'm a little worried about this being the conclusion for the volume as well as, potentially, the story. I really, really, really hope it's not but I can only complain about it if I finally get up and buy the volumes. (Although part of me would love to have a local publisher pick it up. The only ongoing interesting series here seems to be the green one.)

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joined Mar 6, 2021

I enjoyed the first episodes of this a lot, but lately it's become quite boring to me and I'm not sure exactly why. I guess I never got interested in the new characters, so all these chapters with the merchant and her bodyguard are almost a slog to get through. I can't seem to care about the storyline anymore, and I just keep hoping it might get good again at some point.

Leaping%20cow
joined Sep 27, 2017

I enjoyed the first episodes of this a lot, but lately it's become quite boring to me and I'm not sure exactly why. I guess I never got interested in the new characters, so all these chapters with the merchant and her bodyguard are almost a slog to get through. I can't seem to care about the storyline anymore, and I just keep hoping it might get good again at some point.

I like the merchant and her body guard, and I think it continues to be good personally. So it seems like mileage and personal enjoyment will vary situation, especially as I want more about the merchant and body guard, and I want to see them kiss.

joined Apr 13, 2025

Anyone notice how Shion was so enraged by Frost saying that her father was overcome by the armor that she tried to draw down on her?
Or that she has a hatred of knights. Especially “lecherous knights”.
Or that she’s 2m tall and has dark hair. Not unlike Frost was expected to have…

Am I crazy to think that the sister drama has only just begun?

Hoho, you think that Frost's failure of a dad had begun sleeping around after locking up his wife? Wouldn't put it past him, honestly.

EDIT: We don't know much about Shion's background IIRC, but Clarice notes that her sword is unusual and her name does not fit the rest of the characters' theme, so it's safe to assume that she embodies the "Token Samurai In A European Setting" trope. I am not sure whether anyone had remarked that she has unusual facial features, indicating that she is actually from the setting's Japan equivalent, but if so, then the theory would be that she at least has a different mother than Frost. Otherwise, it is feasible that Frost is a changeling, or was simply switched out for Shion right after birth, so Shion grew up with different parents.

So I did some looking…
Shion is 26 years old, 2 years older than Frost, and apparently born a commoner. If Dadknight had been fooling around before marriage, it wouldn’t be the first time in fiction or history. He might even have had a better relationship with Shion than Frost, considering how low that bar was set…
All three of them do share the traits of being tall and grumpy looking. Which isn’t a paternity test, but 6’6” ladies aren’t exactly a dime a dozen. And the story so far has made much of sisterly relationships as motivation to risk one’s life. As well as setting up mirroring sets of characters, like Clarice and Frost vs Violet and Shion.

Of course, this all depends on if Frost is a Changling or an Albino. So I might be getting ahead of the story here.

pulcheriopolis
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joined Jun 22, 2022

I won't lie, I don't think I like this one very much. The relationship between Clarice and Frost feels at least a little abusive? In a "the author doesn't realise it" kind of way. It reminds me of beauty and the beast, if the beauty fell for the beast first and set out to fix him.

Leaping%20cow
joined Sep 27, 2017

I won't lie, I don't think I like this one very much. The relationship between Clarice and Frost feels at least a little abusive? In a "the author doesn't realise it" kind of way. It reminds me of beauty and the beast, if the beauty fell for the beast first and set out to fix him.

I can see the Beauty & Beast parallel but I don't think it's abusive.

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I won't lie, I don't think I like this one very much. The relationship between Clarice and Frost feels at least a little abusive? In a "the author doesn't realise it" kind of way. It reminds me of beauty and the beast, if the beauty fell for the beast first and set out to fix him.

I can see the Beauty & Beast parallel but I don't think it's abusive.

I understand why someone would think it's abusive, and I'm not trying to excuse Frost's behavior, but her "abusive' moments were usually just trauma responses. And in this volume, she started to change the way she acts a lot (once she realized she could trust Claire)
For sure, she threatened her more than once, or shouted and showed anger. I'm not saying she wasn't an asshole. Still, she never actually physically harmed her or forced her to do things ( actually, she is pretty okay with Claire bossing her around, I mean, right now they are doing Claire's plan). Also, it's important to remember that she was never treated nicely in her whole life, and socially pretty underdeveloped.

And I have to point out that Claire actually lied to Frost, and still never told the truth, also she kissed her without consent, so I wouldn't say she is victim." Their relationship sure needs work, but I think they try to be better, so I wouldn't call it abusive.

Leaping%20cow
joined Sep 27, 2017

I won't lie, I don't think I like this one very much. The relationship between Clarice and Frost feels at least a little abusive? In a "the author doesn't realise it" kind of way. It reminds me of beauty and the beast, if the beauty fell for the beast first and set out to fix him.

I can see the Beauty & Beast parallel but I don't think it's abusive.

I understand why someone would think it's abusive, and I'm not trying to excuse Frost's behavior, but her "abusive' moments were usually just trauma responses. And in this volume, she started to change the way she acts a lot (once she realized she could trust Claire)
For sure, she threatened her more than once, or shouted and showed anger. I'm not saying she wasn't an asshole. Still, she never actually physically harmed her or forced her to do things ( actually, she is pretty okay with Claire bossing her around, I mean, right now they are doing Claire's plan). Also, it's important to remember that she was never treated nicely in her whole life, and socially pretty underdeveloped.

And I have to point out that Claire actually lied to Frost, and still never told the truth, also she kissed her without consent, so I wouldn't say she is victim." Their relationship sure needs work, but I think they try to be better, so I wouldn't call it abusive.

Yeah I think their relationship has rocky elements on both sides, but it feels more "awkward and they're working on it" than abusive to me.

pulcheriopolis
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It felt that way for me because Frost seems to whip out her sword or threaten Claire's life at the drop of a hat, even if she doesn't mean to actually kill her. I probably wouldn't feel this way if it took at least a bit longer for Claire to feel something for her, tbh.

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