Finally... the anime is un-dead(?) https://x.com/sasakoi_anime/status/1857347811882459618?t=RqY0EHC4YaS42QST6BhggA&s=19

Plus, chapter 53 raws are out https://imgur.com/a/sasakoi-chapter-53-raws-EDhTxPI
It's still a short chapter, but most of the people who wanted to see either YoriHima and/or AkiShiho back will be happy

English translation is out... So I read the raw, but since I'm still a beginner in Japanese, I misread the bottom right panel on page 1 as Himari asking Yori to hand-make her own lunches. What she actually said though... Yori's like the daughter-in-law already

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Romantic feelings for siblings in yuri feels so contrived at this point for how frequently it crawls out of the sewer. Half the time nothing comes of it so it's not a win for people who are having to sit through the pointless incest and it's not a win for people who actually want to see the incest. Who is it for at that point? It's like a worse version of "will they won't they?" Can we just be done with this sibling incest trope in anime/manga please?

Just don't read it then :)

Just don't read it then :)

Not really a fair response when the maybe-incest surprised us after like 40+ chapters. It's different when the incest is an obvious premise from the beginning.

Holding hands, making out in public, feeding each other ice cream

Must be the best of pals!

Finally... the anime is un-dead(?) https://x.com/sasakoi_anime/status/1857347811882459618?t=RqY0EHC4YaS42QST6BhggA&s=19

Good to know. I've heard the studio filed for bankruptcy so I wasn't holding out hope to see the last episodes anymore.

Just don't read it then :)

Not really a fair response when the maybe-incest surprised us after like 40+ chapters. It's different when the incest is an obvious premise from the beginning.

Indeed. That reminds me of Usagi drop. Never felt that betrayed by a manga before (even if after taking a step back, the signs were there).

Incest is weirdly normalized in manga. I was told it's because there are a lot of single child in Japan, so they fantasized having siblings (in a weird way). I don't know if it's true, but it always disturbs me, even if I'm able to look over it when it's minor in the plot.

Porn sites are full of incest and people blame Japan for being weird. It's just a common trope.

Porn sites are full of incest and people blame Japan for being weird. It's just a common trope.

Yeah but porn is porn. The criticism isn't about porn. Lots of crazy shit is done in porn that I wouldn't want in my average fiction. I'm surprised I have to say that porn isn't a good barometer.

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Porn sites are full of incest and people blame Japan for being weird. It's just a common trope.

Yeah but porn is porn. The criticism isn't about porn. Lots of crazy shit is done in porn that I wouldn't want in my average fiction. I'm surprised I have to say that porn isn't a good barometer.

They are right about it being a common trope though. Just look at the romance genre as a whole, there's so many stories about incest, both contemporary and ancient.

Oedipus Rex by Sophocles, Pericles by Shakespeare, Ada by Nabokov, to name a few. The list goes on

Just don't read it then :)

Not really a fair response when the maybe-incest surprised us after like 40+ chapters. It's different when the incest is an obvious premise from the beginning.

Indeed. That reminds me of Usagi drop. Never felt that betrayed by a manga before (even if after taking a step back, the signs were there).

Incest is weirdly normalized in manga. I was told it's because there are a lot of single child in Japan, so they fantasized having siblings (in a weird way). I don't know if it's true, but it always disturbs me, even if I'm able to look over it when it's minor in the plot.

There is that too, but it goes a bit further: Japan has a real overwork culture that leaves many people living alone with no wife or children (which is why the birth rate is so low). So a big part of Wish Fulfillment relationships in their fiction is to have a lover that will live with you, wait for you, and be nice to you when you are tired. And as a few manga point out, your sister is already your family, and so is already someone that is expected to live with you and all the other things. In sort, making the sister a heroine allows the writer to skip the part where the main characters need to meet and get to know each other and go straight to the lovey-dovey parts that comfort the reader.

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Porn sites are full of incest and people blame Japan for being weird. It's just a common trope.

Yeah but porn is porn. The criticism isn't about porn. Lots of crazy shit is done in porn that I wouldn't want in my average fiction. I'm surprised I have to say that porn isn't a good barometer.

They are right about it being a common trope though. Just look at the romance genre as a whole, there's so many stories about incest, both contemporary and ancient.

Oedipus Rex by Sophocles, Pericles by Shakespeare, Ada by Nabokov, to name a few. The list goes on

It's not a frequent trope. We can certainly list many narratives with incest but that's all relative. There are an endless number of stories.

In my experience, incest is more represented in manga by a wide order compared to the average. You can go years without touching the subject otherwise but in manga and LNs, especially yuri, it's difficult to last two weeks. It's often thrown in as a typical trope seemingly without much thought.

There's also the way incest is handled, narratively. Even in your examples, the issue is treated quite differently than how a not insignificant portion of manga treats the issue. Most stories aren't nearly as thoughtful as "My Sisters Best Friend, My Lover," for example.

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Anyway, this chapter was cute

Just don't read it then :)

Not really a fair response when the maybe-incest surprised us after like 40+ chapters. It's different when the incest is an obvious premise from the beginning.

I am on the camp that doesn't mind the incest plotline, but I am still surprised about introducing it this far in.

Makes me wonder if this was an idea for Miki all along that didn't get a chance to be introduced earlier and the author didn't want to abandon that plan.

iirc in the early chapters of Vol.1, before there any hints of Shiho beyond the girl who left the band, there is an illustration with the sister holding dolls of each other, like Himari and Shiho have of Yori and Aki, so maybe that was a bit of a hint of this development.

Anyhow, that aside, I LOVED THIS CHAPTER, HimaYori were so fuuny, AkiShiho so cute, I need the follow up!

Ah, that was adorable. ^_^

And caught! :D

Miki was excited for/about her sister from chapter 1, but I don't think there was any hint of it being more than sisterly love and supportiveness. (Yes, some siblings actually get along and like each other.)

Miki was excited for/about her sister from chapter 1, but I don't think there was any hint of it being more than sisterly love and supportiveness. (Yes, some siblings actually get along and like each other.)

she's been showing the "siscon" tendencies from the start really, until the reveal it just could've plausibly gone either way. as in "really attached to her but nothing more" vs "actually in love with her".

she's been showing the "siscon" tendencies from the start really, until the reveal it just could've plausibly gone either way. as in "really attached to her but nothing more" vs "actually in love with her".

Yeah.

I'm still not sure Miki's really attracted to her sister vs. confused because they've been so close and maybe never really being in love before (despite her past bf)

Weirdly normalized

It's the West who weirdly hate incest, not the other way around. There are so many worse topics being commonly explored in popular Western works, yet everyone always gets so offended when two fictional siblings love each other. Why?

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Weirdly normalized

It's the West who weirdly hate incest, not the other way around. There are so many worse topics being commonly explored in popular Western works, yet everyone always gets so offended when two fictional siblings love each other. Why?

Worth noting that it's the USA that hardline it the most from what i can tell. Europe sits kind of in the middle of the scale between the USA and Japan on the issue, at least that how it seems to me. Like, it's still stigmatized and all but at least here in Germany for example, marrying your cousins is completely inconsequential, never seen anybody make a fuss over it.

Well, cousin incest isn't the same as nuclear-family incest...

Well, cousin incest isn't the same as nuclear-family incest...

Well yeah there are degrees and nuances to it all but it seems superfluous to split hairs over it for fictional characters. I mean, if you wanna get technical about it a good chunk of "arguments" against incest don't apply to same sex incestual couples in the first place.
And that presumes the actual "consummation" of said relationship, which isn't even the case here. Not that there was any real possibility for it in the first place in this series, we knew that from the start~

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Well, cousin incest isn't the same as nuclear-family incest...

Well yeah there are degrees and nuances to it all but it seems superfluous to split hairs over it for fictional characters. I mean, if you wanna get technical about it a good chunk of "arguments" against incest don't apply to same sex incestual couples in the first place.
And that presumes the actual "consummation" of said relationship, which isn't even the case here. Not that there was any real possibility for it in the first place in this series, we knew that from the start~

My main problem with incest in yuri is that it usually makes me feel very alienated from the work. Having two sisters myself, it simply feels so silly and odd; yet it's depicted so often that I'm not even particularly surprised when I come across it. It really makes me wonder if none of these authors have siblings.

Also, I'm not sure how accurate your claim about Europe and the US stance on marriage between relatives is. I don't know about Germany, but I can tell you with certainty that here, in Greece, marriage between first cousins is banned by law. And I'm surprised to see that when I search for it on the internet many results come up that claim marriage between cousins in Greece is allowed.

I actually haven't read this manga in a while (dropped it sometime during the competition arc), but I've been coming every now and then to check if it's worth getting back to it... and from what I've seen probably not. I kind of just wanted to jump into the conversation for a bit though.

Well I still think this manga is worth reading. I might be one of the very few on Dynasty that still enjoys it, is what it is lol

Well I still think this manga is worth reading. I might be one of the very few on Dynasty that still enjoys it, is what it is lol

I think iit's worth it as well
Like I understand how the competion arc lost many reader, readingit in real time got tiresome at times, but now that it's finished I think it was worth my time, and imo grew the story beyond the what the early volumes offered.
And I understand the surprise incest plotline would off-put those that did stay, but for me I am willing to keep reading to see what kind of story it wants to tell.
Also AkiShiho is one of my current favorite ships so of course I am stayin lol

I enjoy it.