Go to hell.

Only continuing this in hopes the dad gets a very painfull end.

Me seeing sweet yuri: “Chills. Literal chills!”

The It was me and daddy’s baby: “It was Number 5. Number 5 killed my brother.”

Me who forgot about the incest, tragedy tag: “Oh my god-“

It's not because it's fictional that you can say and draw everything you want. It's not because they were not real persons harmed that you can show the more hateful and immoral things in your story. Words and pictures have meanings and can be more harmful and impactful than any physical actions.

I can attest to this; reading Citrus was in fact far more painful than getting stabbed or T-boned.

This stupid argument and the other "people choose what to read" are the things that lead us to have story (manga, anime, BD, comics ....) that show and spread harmful ideas that actually hurt real people.

Agreed, real people will be hurt by these ideas: we readers of this are going to manifest a tulpa of the manga, and it will come at you with a knife.

And in this case, there is nothing to justify the choice of actor to show little children being abuses and one of them impregnate by her dad ? WTF !

Yes, the choice of actor was bad, it would have been better if it was Willem Dafoe playing the dad who impregnates his daughter.

Me seeing sweet yuri: “Chills. Literal chills!”

The It was me and daddy’s baby: “It was Number 5. Number 5 killed my brother.”

Me who forgot about the incest, tragedy tag: “Oh my god-“

The most cursed manga panel that will ever grace this site.

What if Colin's daddy is Mary's daddy?

^ Why are you increasing the incest quotient further. To what avail. I don't think we need Carolina Reaper in this gochujang-ass manga

What if Colin's daddy is Mary's daddy?

Now THAT would be a twist.

Colins' father marrying Marys' mother would both give her a sister but also the dread of all of them being in the same house.

And then they get the news that they're getting a lil' brother/sister will further aggravate things.

OHHHH SHIT. OHHHH SHIIIT.

Oh god oh fuck

I was waiting for the WTF moment and indeed it was a WTF moment

The main characters point of view is extremely influenced by the fact that she's a kid "will I go to jail?" being confused and not telling anyone whats happening with her due to her innocence. You could do the same with adults but it would be different.
If the characters being kids had no influence in the story then, I would see a problem.

The thing with art is that it's supposed to make you feel something, and it's not always gonna be good. I get not liking the setting but not once the author put the dad on a good light, His daughter might like him but to everyone else he's not a good person.

A lot of the time people assume a story is good just because it tackles heavy themes. Well, this story is tackling some of the heaviest themes imaginable, and I genuinely think it's doing a great job at it. You can tell with how Colin is characterized. As much as she may act happy-go-lucky and brag about how her father "loves" her, there are plenty of signs that she understands full well what's happening to her: her suicidal ideation, her reference to the time when her father "was still okay", and most notably her rage at how the adults who were supposed to help her ended up abandoning her back to her hell. She may say in words that her ex-friend betrayed her, but by telling all her secrets to Mary shortly after meeting her, she's clearly just crying out for help in the only way she knows how to do.

Mary, of course, is not anywhere close to being able to handle any of this. It'll be interesting to see what role Riko plays in this, too. I wonder if she might be Colin's ex-friend.

A lot of the time people assume a story is good just because it tackles heavy themes. Well, this story is tackling some of the heaviest themes imaginable, and I genuinely think it's doing a great job at it.

Well, tackling heavy themes is hard, many stories crashed and burned and fell to oblivion attempting that (because badly written plus heavy themes equal people thoroughly want to throw the memories out of their heads both consciously and subconsciously), but those managed to pull it off will have a bigger impact, so when people remember "stories with heavy themes" they could only recall the good ones, so over time some people got it backward. But I agree, this series is doing good so far.

A lot of the time people assume a story is good just because it tackles heavy themes. Well, this story is tackling some of the heaviest themes imaginable, and I genuinely think it's doing a great job at it. You can tell with how Colin is characterized. As much as she may act happy-go-lucky and brag about how her father "loves" her, there are plenty of signs that she understands full well what's happening to her: her suicidal ideation, her reference to the time when her father "was still okay", and most notably her rage at how the adults who were supposed to help her ended up abandoning her back to her hell. She may say in words that her ex-friend betrayed her, but by telling all her secrets to Mary shortly after meeting her, she's clearly just crying out for help in the only way she knows how to do.

Mary, of course, is not anywhere close to being able to handle any of this. It'll be interesting to see what role Riko plays in this, too. I wonder if she might be Colin's ex-friend.

This, the story is very straight foward about it's themes, Colin just needs help but and the story clearly portrays that, now mary seems to be the only one that can help her but her still being a kid makes it so much harder to do.
Also knowing what happened when Colin's ex-friend told adults about the secret, Mary probably will keep it to herself not wanting to lose Colin's friendship but at the same time putting the weight of helping her all on herself.

Well, tackling heavy themes is hard, many stories crashed and burned and fell to oblivion attempting that (because badly written plus heavy themes equal people thoroughly want to throw the memories out of their heads both consciously and subconsciously), but those managed to pull it off will have a bigger impact, so when people remember "stories with heavy themes" they could only recall the good ones, so over time some people got it backward. But I agree, this series is doing good so far.

Not doing a story just because people might not like what you're doing is negating the world of a potential great piece of art. It might crash and burn? Yes, but still, theres a chance it might be great. we only have great things because people take chances.

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I call this genre "Car Crash In Slow Motion"

I don't understand why people make this kind of story with heavy subject and especially when it involves children. I can understand if it's about child abuse and when it's only use to make feel more empathy with the character going through that. But here it feels like the author is going going to only give use torture porn with children... They have to stop doing that

First and foremost, it's fictional. No real life person of any age was harmed, so the author can do anything and everything. Child abuse as backstory to invoke empathy is ok, but it's not the only possible usage, the author is crafting a story, if they finds a new way to use an element that fits the story, then it goes into the story, that's normal. Moreover there are technical aspects to it: Heavy subjects would be even more heavy when they are inflicted on the weak and naive/innocent characters like children, and there are plot lines that only work if the characters are children...

I believe the readership/audience has the freedom to choose whether to consume a work, while the authors have the total freedom to create whatever story they could think of and could express into a presentable form. If one reader finds a story to be distasteful, then they should drop it and read other stories. It's not like the existence of a weird story would delete the existence or limit the growth of other "good" stories, it's no longer the age where books must be copied by handwritting and only a limited number of people knows how to write. The abundance of and the ease of access to information and works (fiction or otherwise) nowadays are unprecedented in human history, the choices are practically limitless. It makes no sense trying to impose what sort of story an author should or should not create.

It's not because it's fictional that you can say and draw everything you want. It's not because they were not real persons harmed that you can show the more hateful and immoral things in your story. Words and pictures have meanings and can be more harmful and impactful than any physical actions. This stupid argument and the other "people choose what to read" are the things that lead us to have story (manga, anime, BD, comics ....) that show and spread harmful ideas that actually hurt real people.
And in this case, there is nothing to justify the choice of actor to show little children being abuses and one of them impregnate by her dad ? WTF !

You can tho, anyone can write and draw what they want, and we readers choose to read it or not, easy peasy lemon squeezy!

Looks like there's a shitstorm coming in spring

Riko is definitely a snitch that Colin was talking about.

(I know this is obviously not how this will go down, but I need to say it somewhere) the story would end right now if she called the cops. I know Colin says her friend snitched before and nothing happened BUT now there's real proof that he abused her, i.e the buried baby. That's why daddy was so insisting on Colin flushing the bebe. Mary should follow her to see where she lives, call the cops, tell about the abuse and the buried baby, and boom case solved they get married and live happily ever after :)

A lot of the time people assume a story is good just because it tackles heavy themes. Well, this story is tackling some of the heaviest themes imaginable, and I genuinely think it's doing a great job at it.

Well, tackling heavy themes is hard, many stories crashed and burned and fell to oblivion attempting that (because badly written plus heavy themes equal people thoroughly want to throw the memories out of their heads both consciously and subconsciously), but those managed to pull it off will have a bigger impact, so when people remember "stories with heavy themes" they could only recall the good ones, so over time some people got it backward. But I agree, this series is doing good so far.

You know for sure this shit definitely ain't getting an anime lmao.

I call this genre "Car Crash In Slow Motion"

Nah, that's Kitanai Kimi and Jigoku de Aishite

(I know this is obviously not how this will go down, but I need to say it somewhere) the story would end right now if she called the cops. I know Colin says her friend snitched before and nothing happened BUT now there's real proof that he abused her, i.e the buried baby. That's why daddy was so insisting on Colin flushing the bebe. Mary should follow her to see where she lives, call the cops, tell about the abuse and the buried baby, and boom case solved they get married and live happily ever after :)

I feel like it's not a baby but rather a miscarried foetus. No other reason she'd be calling it "it" (assuming that's an accurate translation) and the father was saying to cut it up and flush it down.

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This is a very interesting story. Some were saying that the characters being children was unnecessary, but I believe that the plot only works because they are children. Because they are heavily influenced by their parents.

I think that the point is that both Mary and Colin are similar, yet different. Both have abusive parents. Mary's mother neglect her, and Colin's father sexually abuse her. And yet they think they are loved.

However, Mary is starting to realize that her mother don't really love her. Meanwhile, Colin truly believe that her dad loves her. And maybe he does, in his own sick and twisted way. We don't know. Maybe he believes that is the "right" way to love. And maybe now she too thinks that's the right way to love, she loves Mary the same way that daddy loves her.

And that's where I believe is the point the story is trying to get. It's not uncommon for abused children to become abusive adults. And where is the point where someone stops being a victim?

Now what I think is the plot twist: Dad is in jail or maybe already dead. And Colin is returning to an empty home, thinking that dad will come back. She was supposed to be in her grandma's care, but she ran away.

This is a very interesting story. Some were saying that the characters being children was unnecessary, but I believe that the plot only works because they are children. Because they are heavily influenced by their parents.

I think that the point is that both Mary and Colin are similar, yet different. Both have abusive parents. Mary's mother neglect her, and Colin's father sexually abuse her. And yet they think they are loved.

However, Mary is starting to realize that her mother don't really love her. Meanwhile, Colin truly believe that her dad loves her. And maybe he does, in his own sick and twisted way. We don't know. Maybe he believes that is the "right" way to love. And maybe now she too thinks that's the right way to love, she loves Mary the same way that daddy loves her.

And that's where I believe is the point the story is trying to get. It's not uncommon for abused children to become abusive adults. And where is the point where someone stops being a victim?

Now what I think is the plot twist: Dad is in jail or maybe already dead. And Colin is returning to an empty home, thinking that dad will come back. She was supposed to be in her grandma's care, but she ran away.

You make a rather compelling case, actually

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This story is interesting to me because a happy ending seems unlikely given the tone of manga so far, but I also don't see how Collin's situation could possibly get any worse. So narratively, i can't look away, because I genuinely have no idea where this is headed.

Plus, it's already started with so much shock value that there really isn't anything else that could happen that would invoke that much emotion in me. I mean, you have a child, burying their dead baby, that they conceived by copulating with their biological father. Now where, in the ever loving fuck, do you go from there?

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It's such an odd feeling to read this knowing it won't have a happy end. If the first page of this whole thing really is part of the end game for this story, then at best we can expect a bittersweet thing.

Also we kind of but not really but sort of got a title drop in this (3rd) chapter. With the garden stuff.

last edited at Jul 13, 2023 4:21AM