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Stardusttelepath8
joined Oct 15, 2014

I checked some JP sites and this doujin seems to have "crossdressing" and "shota" tags, unsure if the yuri tag is really right for this one.

Other sites don't really take gender identity into account and just categorise things with "what has what junk", which naturally doesn't fly with the Dynasty staff.
The yuri tag is a tricky one to call tho, since genderwise, it's girl on girl, but pornwise, it's "girl with a dick", which for futa we tag seperately from yuri (unless it's a seperate relationship or the futa part comes later on or in a specific chapter). It's hard to call since whatever other explicit trans stuff we have on here has tags for other genres listed either because it covers multiple relationships or, in the case of that one Love Live Sunshine webcomic, it's very ambiguous what the genre actually is.
edit: One way to go about it would be to use the Not het tag like After School Mate, which is about the relationship between a cismale and transmale but isn't currently tagged with Yaoi (though that might just be cos it's not clear where the romance is going currently). Up to the admin, though.

last edited at Jan 31, 2023 6:01PM

Eri
joined Aug 30, 2020

It's love between two girls, it's yuri

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joined Sep 27, 2017

I checked some JP sites and this doujin seems to have "crossdressing" and "shota" tags, unsure if the yuri tag is really right for this one.

Other sites don't really take gender identity into account and just categorise things with "what has what junk", which naturally doesn't fly with the Dynasty staff.
The yuri tag is a tricky one to call tho, since genderwise, it's girl on girl, but pornwise, it's "girl with a dick", which for futa we tag seperately from yuri (unless it's a seperate relationship or the futa part comes later on or in a specific chapter). It's hard to call since whatever other explicit trans stuff we have on here has tags for other genres listed either because it covers multiple relationships or, in the case of that one Love Live Sunshine webcomic, it's very ambiguous what the genre actually is.
edit: One way to go about it would be to use the Not het tag like After School Mate, which is about the relationship between a cismale and transmale but isn't currently tagged with Yaoi (though that might just be cos it's not clear where the romance is going currently). Up to the admin, though.

Personally I think "Yuri" and "Transgender" work fine here.

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joined Mar 3, 2022

There's plenty of futa on here, but I think this might be the first trans hentai on the site. It's so rare. The other Lily Hoshikawa h-doujins are pretty awful, so I'm surprised we got one at all.

Then it’s a good thing, I guess — I certainly really want to see more of it. It’s just a little unfortunate it’s… this.

last edited at Jan 31, 2023 6:26PM

joined Jan 6, 2017

The yuri tag is a tricky one to call tho, since genderwise, it's girl on girl, but pornwise, it's "girl with a dick", which for futa we tag seperately from yuri

That has never made any sense to me. Imo separating yuri and futanari is just confusing and doesn't accomplish anything

Anyway, with all trans stuff at least ought to be tagged yuri even if futanari stuff isn't

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joined Sep 27, 2017

The yuri tag is a tricky one to call tho, since genderwise, it's girl on girl, but pornwise, it's "girl with a dick", which for futa we tag seperately from yuri

That has never made any sense to me. Imo separating yuri and futanari is just confusing and doesn't accomplish anything

Anyway, with all trans stuff at least ought to be tagged yuri even if futanari stuff isn't

Seconding this, I often see Futa and Yuri tagged together on Pixiv. Which makes sense to me since I've always viewed Futa as Female.

joined Sep 15, 2019

That has never made any sense to me. Imo separating yuri and futanari is just confusing and doesn't accomplish anything

The idea is that the vast majority of people searching for yuri porn don't want to see dicks. We even have tags on this site that warn about specific pages containing them.

Eri
joined Aug 30, 2020

That has never made any sense to me. Imo separating yuri and futanari is just confusing and doesn't accomplish anything

The idea is that the vast majority of people searching for yuri porn don't want to see dicks. We even have tags on this site that warn about specific pages containing them.

yeah, and here we have the tags "NSFW" and "Transgender" as well as the yuri tags. If you're that incapable of putting two and two together, I don't know what to tell you.

joined Sep 15, 2019

yeah, and here we have the tags "NSFW" and "Transgender" as well as the yuri tags. If you're that incapable of putting two and two together, I don't know what to tell you.

That was about why yuri and futanari both need to exist. I don't really care what the specific tag is named, as long as there is a tag to indicate what genitalia is involved

joined Jan 6, 2017

That has never made any sense to me. Imo separating yuri and futanari is just confusing and doesn't accomplish anything

The idea is that the vast majority of people searching for yuri porn don't want to see dicks. We even have tags on this site that warn about specific pages containing them.

Then just don't click on stuff tagged with Futanari (or Transgender + NSFW), it's that easy.

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joined Nov 30, 2016

That has never made any sense to me. Imo separating yuri and futanari is just confusing and doesn't accomplish anything

I'd weigh in on the side that futa and yuri should generally remain separate with considerations for if a work is clearly aiming to be yuri genre fiction. With rare exceptions, such as the Love Live Sunshine doujinshi by Mikan mentioned above, futa has been historically and still is a very distinct, very fetishized genre consumed as het porn. Basically, futa is a commercial genre of het porn and it's weird to tag it as yuri.

last edited at Jan 31, 2023 7:25PM

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joined Nov 21, 2018

This sure is a dangerous tag combination for the average Dynasty comment section, glad things are mostly civil here though.

I checked some JP sites and this doujin seems to have "crossdressing" and "shota" tags, unsure if the yuri tag is really right for this one.

Other sites don't really take gender identity into account and just categorise things with "what has what junk", which naturally doesn't fly with the Dynasty staff.

This happens because the Japanese government - and a lot of the people, as an extension - don't officially recognize gender reassignment until bottom surgery has happened. 3D AV with trans actresses is tagged with both "Transgender" and "Crossdressing", even if the actress is clearly transitioning with HRT and has breasts and stuff.

joined Jan 6, 2017

That has never made any sense to me. Imo separating yuri and futanari is just confusing and doesn't accomplish anything

I'd weigh in on the side that futa and yuri should generally remain separate with considerations for if a work is clearly aiming to be yuri genre fiction. With rare exceptions, such as the Love Live Sunshine doujinshi by Mikan mentioned above, futa has been historically and still is a very distinct, very fetishized genre consumed as het porn. Basically, futa is a commercial genre of het porn and it's weird to tag it as yuri.

Definitely disagree with that. Tying tag usage to the "meaning of the genres" will just lead to disagreements because those are a matter of interpretation. For instance, I think that there isn't anything within the yuri genre that excludes it from any futa work that doesn't involve men and there isn't anything within girls only works in the futa genre that excludes them from being yuri.

I say that tags exist to inform people and that's it. And informing people that a work contains both girls with dicks and girls being gay is equally important, thus both Futanari and Yuri tags should be used at the same time. If it doesn't include girls being gay then you take out the yuri tag. Etc.

(Also, mods, please delete this. I know it's off topic but I just couldn't help myself)

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joined Jun 11, 2021

if you think a trans girl is just rebranded futanari and is ok to tag as such you're a bigot. this comment thread is a mess. "transgender" plus "nsfw" and "lots of sex" is all you should need to know a dick is in there because lord knows we will never get a trans yuri work where the trans girl has had bottom surgery lmfao

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joined Jan 30, 2013

Not a fan of the creator notes saying "no purely between girls" when she's literally a trans girl :c

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joined Nov 26, 2019

Well, Dynasty finally has its first porn including a trans girl. Too bad it's loli stuff, haven't even opened it cause I don't wanna see that. It was always funny to me that almost every image someone like maiqo has drawn except the things involving trans girls was crossposted here, and I was always wondering how it was gonna be tagged if it ever actually made it here (I'm guessing that's why it hasn't made it here). Fact of the matter is, if you're so not okay seeing a girl with a dick, but you also for some reason wanna click something tagged as transgender and lots of sex, then you're not very smart. Tagging for each individual page that a dick occurs on is absolutely ridiculous, and tagging as futanari is vile, since people are constantly so adamant that that's not the same thing.

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joined Sep 8, 2019

I am confused

Eri
joined Aug 30, 2020

I am confused

About what, exactly?

Stardusttelepath8
joined Oct 15, 2014

I am confused

Basically it's a question of whether NSFW works involving trans characters should be tagged as Transgender+NSFW+Yuri/Yaoi/Het (assuming there's no seperate yuri/yaoi/het pairing in the same work) or as simply Transgender + NSFW. We could potentially add tags for transcentric subgenres (eg. Trans-yuri) as better indicators of content, but there might not be enough works to warrant those just yet.

last edited at Jan 31, 2023 9:11PM

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joined Oct 14, 2014

Would Girldick or Unmodified crotch (to be more inclusive of transmasc people) not suffice?
It's kinda weird to not tag trans girl smoochin' another girl whether cis or trans as yuri. If there's a need to have a distinction the Transgender tag already does that. So the point of contention is inclusion of viewer-unwanted body parts, so that's what should be tagged.

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joined Dec 17, 2021

As a lily x yugiri fan, I'm surprised I hadn't seen this doujin before (hopefully this means we'll get more in the future).

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joined May 29, 2022

Lovely combination of tags

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joined May 10, 2015

I believe people are overthinking things.

The purpose of tags is to inform people on what the story contains, not to make a political statement.

As long people are able to figure out what the story is about, the tags served their purpose, even if they aren't completely correct.

joined Sep 12, 2021

Thank you for the translation

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joined Apr 4, 2022

nice

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