no matter how well she can read the room, she still tends to jump headfirst into situations and speaks her mind without thinking about who might hear it.

And judging by her own internal monologue, while in this particular case she indeed seems to actually hang to this belief (although by chapter 5 she's already gone from totally impossible to just impossible for her, and even that seems mostly out of stubbornness), she's not necessarily even speaking her mind but just saying what she thinks is the best choice to say in a given situation to keep her popularity.

Which makes her attitude even worse...still, I've high hopes for Aya. Seems she has quite the master plan all figured out.

I always thought the plot wasn't supposed to be realistic. I mean, just the part about making her watch porn should make it evident. Most women don't really like porn all that much; imagine a guy (most likely someone who never dated a woman in his life) who tries to seduce a straight girl by taking her home to show her his X-rated videos of his favorite porn actress getting hardbanged... it wouldn't end on a happy note, right?
In a realistic setting, I don't think overwhelming Marika with sexual stimulation would work that well. Aya would need to take another approach to seduce her. Maybe I'm projecting my own feelings here, but... if I had to come up with a winning strategy, I would suggest something completely different. The first day, Aya should take her girl home for afternoon tea, and present her with a whole buffet of sweet delicacies, enough to fill two tables put together, cakes, choux, tartes, sweet rolls, macarons, all from the best pastry shops and chefs in town. Of course there would also be various types of drinks, not only tea but hot chocolate and lemonade and other things as well. Aya would tell her to eat as much as she wants (and arrange an excuse to explain to her mother why she isn't eating dinner that night: claim that she already had early dinner at Aya's, for example). The second day, Aya would take her to a large petting zoo and let her have fun as much as she wants cuddling adorable kittens and bunnies and all sorts of cute cubs and baby animals. Then, returning home, there would be waiting for them another buffet of sweets just as big as the previous one, only all different treats this time, and they would enjoy it while reading waffy yuri manga and watching romantic anime. If it was me in Marika's shoes, I know for a fact that, by the end of that second day, I would already be in the right mood to fall into Aya's arms and smother her with passionate kisses, haha.

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White Rose posted:

I always thought the plot wasn't supposed to be realistic. I mean, just the part about making her watch porn should make it evident. Most women don't really like porn all that much; imagine a guy (most likely someone who never dated a woman in his life) who tries to seduce a straight girl by taking her home to show her his X-rated videos of his favorite porn actress getting hardbanged... it wouldn't end on a happy note, right?
In a realistic setting, I don't think overwhelming Marika with sexual stimulation would work that well. Aya would need to take another approach to seduce her. Maybe I'm projecting my own feelings here, but... if I had to come up with a winning strategy, I would suggest something completely different. The first day, Aya should take her girl home for afternoon tea, and present her with a whole buffet of sweet delicacies, enough to fill two tables put together, cakes, choux, tartes, sweet rolls, macarons, all from the best pastry shops and chefs in town. Of course there would also be various types of drinks, not only tea but hot chocolate and lemonade and other things as well. Aya would tell her to eat as much as she wants (and arrange an excuse to explain to her mother why she isn't eating dinner that night: claim that she already had early dinner at Aya's, for example). The second day, Aya would take her to a large petting zoo and let her have fun as much as she wants cuddling adorable kittens and bunnies and all sorts of cute cubs and baby animals. Then, returning home, there would be waiting for them another buffet of sweets just as big as the previous one, only all differen treats this time, and they would enjoy it while reading waffy yuri manga and watching romantic anime. If it was me in Marika's shoes, I know for a fact that, by the end of that second day, I'd already be in the right mood to fall into Aya's arms and smother her with passionate kisess, haha.

ma'am this is a wendy's

Maybe I'm projecting my own feelings here, but...

Yes you definitely are. XDDDDDD
I feel like I know more right now about what floats your boat than I know about most of the women in my life, lmao.

What the fuck

The second day, Aya would take her to a large petting zoo and let her have fun as much as she wants cuddling adorable kittens and bunnies and all sorts of cute cubs and baby animals. Then, returning home, there would be waiting for them another buffet of sweets just as big as the previous one, only all different treats this time, and they would enjoy it while reading waffy yuri manga and watching romantic anime. If it was me in Marika's shoes, I know for a fact that, by the end of that second day, I would already be in the right mood to fall into Aya's arms and smother her with passionate kisses, haha.

Well, chocolate and sugary sweets boost the production of endorphins in your brain. Cuddling pets also has the same effect, just as direct emotional stimuli such as those brought about by warm and fluffy fiction. And the release of feel-good chemicals in the central nervous system has a huge impact on your hormones and generally leads to a sense of euphoria.
All this to say that, yes, I can totally see how your date plan for Aya/Marika could work. :)

re reading chapter 1 and 2 and comparing the changes to the previous version, volume art feels kinda odd at times, specially in the hair part (probably because all that darknening or shitty shading sometimes) and some face angle changes, some of the angles look better with character facing at a proper direction, but others looks kinda dumb now lol, and art at times is kinda inconsistent, as a whole it look more "finished" tho, but well those are details i guess

and like always, comments here never change, going for both ways lol (the ones pointing everything that can be wrong, and the ones that are trying to justify it)

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In a realistic setting, I don't think overwhelming Marika with sexual stimulation would work that well. Aya would need to take another approach to seduce her. Maybe I'm projecting my own feelings here, but... if I had to come up with a winning strategy, I would suggest something completely different. The first day, Aya should take her girl home for afternoon tea, and present her with a whole buffet of sweet delicacies, enough to fill two tables put together, cakes, choux, tartes, sweet rolls, macarons, all from the best pastry shops and chefs in town. Of course there would also be various types of drinks, not only tea but hot chocolate and lemonade and other things as well. Aya would tell her to eat as much as she wants (and arrange an excuse to explain to her mother why she isn't eating dinner that night: claim that she already had early dinner at Aya's, for example). The second day, Aya would take her to a large petting zoo and let her have fun as much as she wants cuddling adorable kittens and bunnies and all sorts of cute cubs and baby animals. Then, returning home, there would be waiting for them another buffet of sweets just as big as the previous one, only all different treats this time, and they would enjoy it while reading waffy yuri manga and watching romantic anime. If it was me in Marika's shoes, I know for a fact that, by the end of that second day, I would already be in the right mood to fall into Aya's arms and smother her with passionate kisses, haha.

I feel like I just read a feeding kink fic

(Nothing wrong with feeding kink, but that's the vibe I got lol)

Well, chocolate and sugary sweets boost the production of endorphins in your brain. Cuddling pets also has the same effect, just as direct emotional stimuli such as those brought about by warm and fluffy fiction. And the release of feel-good chemicals in the central nervous system has a huge impact on your hormones and generally leads to a sense of euphoria.

^ This.
I planned to write the same things but you were faster.
If groping the erogenous zones of a person who doesn't have the right or power to resist was enough to make them go frantic with desire for you, then every rape victim in the world would think of their rape experiences as the best sex of their lives.
The human brain isn't wired like that. Aya's method is not something that would work in real life. The idea can make a good starting point for an erotic fantasy manga, but that's all to it.
From a realistic perspective, using a wide range of stimuli to elicit strong positive emotional responses towards you is the right way to go. "Dinner and a movie" is a tried and tested date plan precisely because of this—because delicious food and a thrilling story on a wide screen are things that will make your date feel good and react favorably towards you! And if we're talking about young schoolgirls, well, yes, for sure, you got that right: the combo of cuddly kittens and bunnies to pet added to lots of chocolates and sweets to eat should work wonders too.

while you were drafting your little grooming plans I made sweet love to your mother

It was long and sensual and she fell long before your first date

If groping the erogenous zones of a person who doesn't have the right or power to resist was enough to make them go frantic with desire for you, then every rape victim in the world would think of their rape experiences as the best sex of their lives.

Great, now how am I supposed to enjoy Arioto after reading this?
Thanks a lot dude.

If groping the erogenous zones of a person who doesn't have the right or power to resist was enough to make them go frantic with desire for you, then every rape victim in the world would think of their rape experiences as the best sex of their lives.

Great, now how am I supposed to enjoy Arioto after reading this?
Thanks a lot dude.

Simple: by realizing that Marika does have the right and the power to resist.

Use anything that will facilitate suspension of disbelief.

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Guys, this thread is getting really, really weird. It would be good if it were less weird, thanks.

Great, now how am I supposed to enjoy Arioto after reading this?
Thanks a lot dude.

Simple: by realizing that Marika does have the right and the power to resist.

Um, as Aya would say: contract.

Guys, this thread is getting really, really weird. It would be good if it were less weird, thanks.

No, srsly? What a coincidence, I was thinking the same thing! xP
Just now Princess_Anime posted this comment:

while you were drafting your little grooming plans I made sweet love to your mother

It was long and sensual and she fell long before your first date

Assuming she didn't post to the wrong place or thread, then somebody explain to me if she's talking to Aya or Marika or to whom and wtf point is she trying to make.

Akiji posted:
Assuming she didn't post to the wrong place or thread, then somebody explain to me if she's talking to Aya or Marika or to whom and wtf point is she trying to make.

Um, as Aya would say: contract.

Exactly. And what consequences would violating or breaking off that contract have? Marika wouldn't get the money (there is indeed a psychological trap in form of "escalation of commitment" here) and her pride would definitely be hurt. She's a tsundere, of course her stubborn pride would be hurt. I don't think she is so naive to think that she couldn't find a part time job that doesn't involve her boss creeping on her. It doesn't seem like it's about the money anymore (thereby diminishing or even invalidating the influence of aforementioned trap), though, just about her pride and proving a point.

It's kinda about how much agency, independence and maturity we ascribe to the characters, and for the sake of entertainment I'm willing to go with "more rather than less". It's not a particularly realistic story to begin with, as has been pointed out more than enough.

while you were drafting your little grooming plans I made sweet love to your mother

It was long and sensual and she fell long before your first date

Assuming she didn't post to the wrong place or thread, then somebody explain to me if she's talking to Aya or Marika or to whom and wtf point is she trying to make.

I think the point was to make a "yo mama"-joke mostly about the "how I would go about grooming her with food!"-subthread and how that was kinda weird. Not that me arguing back and forth about the questionable nature of consent and boundaries in a fictional context isn't weird as well.

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are you really using "Penis Envy" Freud and 2 uselessly large images in your comment??

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Freud wins all the yo mama contests.

I always thought the plot wasn't supposed to be realistic. I mean, just the part about making her watch porn should make it evident. Most women don't really like porn all that much; imagine a guy (most likely someone who never dated a woman in his life) who tries to seduce a straight girl by taking her home to show her his X-rated videos of his favorite porn actress getting hardbanged... it wouldn't end on a happy note, right?
In a realistic setting, I don't think overwhelming Marika with sexual stimulation would work that well. Aya would need to take another approach to seduce her. Maybe I'm projecting my own feelings here, but... if I had to come up with a winning strategy, I would suggest something completely different. The first day, Aya should take her girl home for afternoon tea, and present her with a whole buffet of sweet delicacies, enough to fill two tables put together, cakes, choux, tartes, sweet rolls, macarons, all from the best pastry shops and chefs in town. Of course there would also be various types of drinks, not only tea but hot chocolate and lemonade and other things as well. Aya would tell her to eat as much as she wants (and arrange an excuse to explain to her mother why she isn't eating dinner that night: claim that she already had early dinner at Aya's, for example). The second day, Aya would take her to a large petting zoo and let her have fun as much as she wants cuddling adorable kittens and bunnies and all sorts of cute cubs and baby animals. Then, returning home, there would be waiting for them another buffet of sweets just as big as the previous one, only all different treats this time, and they would enjoy it while reading waffy yuri manga and watching romantic anime. If it was me in Marika's shoes, I know for a fact that, by the end of that second day, I would already be in the right mood to fall into Aya's arms and smother her with passionate kisses, haha.

You really thought this all out, put it into words, and then posted it here for all of us to read it huh? Respect.

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are you really using "Penis Envy" Freud and 2 uselessly large images in your comment??

You don't have the first clue what penis envy means, do you?

You really thought this all out, put it into words, and then posted it here for all of us to read it huh? Respect.

I tried to remember how I was when I was a schoolgirl, a looong time ago, and what happened when I went on a date (which usually was with a boy—don't judge, I was young). If he took me to places I liked to do things I fancied (watch a movie or a concert, ride a pony, eat a parfait at a nice café) it'd made me feel good and I'd prolly let him steal a base or something. On the other hand, if he took me to his house and tried to make me watch porn... of course, it never happened, lol, but if some guy had tried I would have kicked the shit outta him (I was good at soccer) and left in anger!
As some people commented before, this is nothing but very common: the idea is to make your date feel good by doing things that send feel-good signals to the psyche, to make her like you. Normally, that's what any person would try to do. I feel that, from a realistic pov, Aya's carefully planned strategy is a giant disaster! (And yes, no need to remind me: I know it's fantasy and the author can write anything she damn wants!)

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this manga is 10/10

Why is chapter 1 posted again?

Why is chapter 1 posted again?

IIRC it's because the first volume is finally out, and there are slight differences with the original version (some pages have been retouched). The scanlator is redoing it, and has already posted the new versions of chapter 1 and 2. The other chapters will follow soon.