now i want sushi and kfc

My main point of intruige with this is probably whether or not this casual domestic violence really is played for supposed laughs or if it's going to develop into something. If it is then I guess the author has a very interesting sense of humor / kink, because there's no way they don't realize what they're doing right?

My main point of intruige with this is probably whether or not this casual domestic violence really is played for supposed laughs or if it's going to develop into something. If it is then I guess the author has a very interesting sense of humor / kink, because there's no way they don't realize what they're doing right?

One would think so. But the imouto/delinquent arc has played violence, if not for laughs exactly, as something not so awful.

I'll just admit--I don't know what the author is up to. But I find it weird and off-putting.

Okay, did I miss something here?
Why is this a domestic violence story now? They were doing do good.....

i hope there's no violence between the new characters, the mangaka and the editor

It's possible that we're entering an arc where Iori starts going too far, but eventually learns her lesson and stops hitting Minami, but otherwise this is probably just a comedic moment that totally misses the mark.

It's not possible for her to describe how much she loves her gf but it sure is possible for her to hit her gf, damn.

When you examine some comedies closely enough, they reveal themselves to be, in fact, tragedies.

I think they're taking the violence gag a little to far, here. Not that I was a fan of it to begin with.

That was fukt. Mikanuji has a lot of explaining to do. Either the tone was way off the mark by accident, they’re setting up for some big drama and Minami is going to leave Iori, or I’m dropping this manga from my favorites like a sack of bricks.

Edit: on re-reading, this seems intentional. Look at the way Iori is standing kind of stiffly over Minami while she’s on the phone, the quick transition to anger with her eyes shadowed, Iori’s fear when her girlfriend goes to hit her, and how fucked up that exchange at the end is. I don’t know where all this is coming from because shit seemed fine, but it appears to be intentional when you look at how the panels, words, and characters’ bodies are posed.

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that was scary. her friends are right, it's time to break up

Specifically, that this series wants us to care about Minami’s traumatic history and distrust of intimacy and then has Iori hitting her at the drop of a hat isn’t smart. It renders the drama unconvincing while the drama makes those attempts at lighthearted moments grossly discomfiting.

IT KEEPS GETTING NASTIER WHAT IS EVEN HAPPENING

I find it intriguing. Clearly this is done on purpose - you wouldn't directly contrast these things randomly. And frankly I doubt you are supposed to just laugh at it. But then I can't really guess what the point is - just to feel disturbing? Possibly.

Who knows. Someone should go ask the author ;)

I'm starting to half suspect this is a deliberate deconstruction of Iori's character - she's more and more starting to resemble the old Shizuku, only without the latter's Freudian Excuse of legitimately horrible past, self-awareness and almost-desperate desire to reform.

I'm starting to half suspect this is a deliberate deconstruction of Iori's character - she's more and more starting to resemble the old Shizuku, only without the latter's Freudian Excuse of legitimately horrible past, self-awareness and almost-desperate desire to reform.

I kind of thought of that, but that opens up the suggestion that Minami has some kind of supernatural power that makes people hit her. (I'm exaggerating, of course, but I don't see how you avoid some kind of victim-blaming in such a case.)

I'm starting to half suspect this is a deliberate deconstruction of Iori's character - she's more and more starting to resemble the old Shizuku, only without the latter's Freudian Excuse of legitimately horrible past, self-awareness and almost-desperate desire to reform.

I kind of thought of that, but that opens up the suggestion that Minami has some kind of supernatural power that makes people hit her. (I'm exaggerating, of course, but I don't see how you avoid some kind of victim-blaming in such a case.)

I mean. From what we've been told Minami should be quite physically capable of resisting such mistreatment if she wanted to, particularly in regards to Iori who as far as we know has exactly zero brawling experience. That she didn't and doesn't is thus presumably due to psychological/emotional factors, ie. a need for companionship sufficiently pathologically deep-seated she'd rather suffer abuse than risk the relationship.

Put harshly, she is to a degree enabling continued and in this case apparently escalating abuse from her SOs by outright refusing to stand up to them despite being fully capable of doing so.

This is in conspicuous and I suspect not at all unintentional contrast to the relationship between Shizuku and Saori, where the latter immediately made it clear she will respond to any misbehaviour ferociously and to the full (and considerable) extent of her abilities. Which if anything seemed to come as something of a relief to Shizuku who knows how seriously maladjusted she is and needs someone capable and willing to keep her in check while she's trying to work out this whole "decent human being" thing.

...I'm going to be so amused by the grim irony if this ends up with Iori just getting all the worse and eventually Shizuku of all people having to stage an intervention.

I'm starting to half suspect this is a deliberate deconstruction of Iori's character - she's more and more starting to resemble the old Shizuku, only without the latter's Freudian Excuse of legitimately horrible past, self-awareness and almost-desperate desire to reform.

I kind of thought of that, but that opens up the suggestion that Minami has some kind of supernatural power that makes people hit her. (I'm exaggerating, of course, but I don't see how you avoid some kind of victim-blaming in such a case.)

I mean. From what we've been told Minami should be quite physically capable of resisting such mistreatment if she wanted to, particularly in regards to Iori who as far as we know has exactly zero brawling experience. That she didn't and doesn't is thus presumably due to psychological/emotional factors, ie. a need for companionship sufficiently pathologically deep-seated she'd rather suffer abuse than risk the relationship.

Put harshly, she is to a degree enabling continued and in this case apparently escalating abuse from her SOs by outright refusing to stand up to them despite being fully capable of doing so.

This is in conspicuous and I suspect not at all unintentional contrast to the relationship between Shizuku and Saori, where the latter immediately made it clear she will respond to any misbehaviour ferociously and to the full (and considerable) extent of her abilities. Which if anything seemed to come as something of a relief to Shizuku who knows how seriously maladjusted she is and needs someone capable and willing to keep her in check while she's trying to work out this whole "decent human being" thing.

...I'm going to be so amused by the grim irony if this ends up with Iori just getting all the worse and eventually Shizuku of all people having to stage an intervention.

This all suggests an altogether more subtle and planned-out long-term story arc than I thought was going on here, and a far cry from what I find most pleasurable about the story, which was the inventive way the author could ring funny changes on the theme of domestic connubial bliss between two quirky but essentially benign characters.

If we're heading into the psychological/behavioral abyss again, I'm not sure I'm along for the ride this time.

I'm starting to half suspect this is a deliberate deconstruction of Iori's character - she's more and more starting to resemble the old Shizuku, only without the latter's Freudian Excuse of legitimately horrible past, self-awareness and almost-desperate desire to reform.

I kind of thought of that, but that opens up the suggestion that Minami has some kind of supernatural power that makes people hit her. (I'm exaggerating, of course, but I don't see how you avoid some kind of victim-blaming in such a case.)

I mean. From what we've been told Minami should be quite physically capable of resisting such mistreatment if she wanted to, particularly in regards to Iori who as far as we know has exactly zero brawling experience. That she didn't and doesn't is thus presumably due to psychological/emotional factors, ie. a need for companionship sufficiently pathologically deep-seated she'd rather suffer abuse than risk the relationship.

Put harshly, she is to a degree enabling continued and in this case apparently escalating abuse from her SOs by outright refusing to stand up to them despite being fully capable of doing so.

This is in conspicuous and I suspect not at all unintentional contrast to the relationship between Shizuku and Saori, where the latter immediately made it clear she will respond to any misbehaviour ferociously and to the full (and considerable) extent of her abilities. Which if anything seemed to come as something of a relief to Shizuku who knows how seriously maladjusted she is and needs someone capable and willing to keep her in check while she's trying to work out this whole "decent human being" thing.

...I'm going to be so amused by the grim irony if this ends up with Iori just getting all the worse and eventually Shizuku of all people having to stage an intervention.

This all suggests an altogether more subtle and planned-out long-term story arc than I thought was going on here, and a far cry from what I find most pleasurable about the story, which was the inventive way the author could ring funny changes on the theme of domestic connubial bliss between two quirky but essentially benign characters.

If we're heading into the psychological/behavioral abyss again, I'm not sure I'm along for the ride this time.

For the few raw ahead i've seen there is not much domestical violence ahead, although there is probably some introspective on the relation.

If we're heading into the psychological/behavioral abyss again, I'm not sure I'm along for the ride this time.

For the few raw ahead i've seen there is not much domestical violence ahead, although there is probably some introspective on the relation.

It's kind of a double-edged sword--if we're heading into a serious exploration of Iori's breakdown into a domestic abuser, to me that's a pretty sucky development (as I said, I've mostly valued this for its high-quality fluff).

If they don't deal with it and pass it off as no-big-deal comedy, that's pretty WTF too.

This all suggests an altogether more subtle and planned-out long-term story arc than I thought was going on here, and a far cry from what I find most pleasurable about the story, which was the inventive way the author could ring funny changes on the theme of domestic connubial bliss between two quirky but essentially benign characters.

If we're heading into the psychological/behavioral abyss again, I'm not sure I'm along for the ride this time.

I mean it's also entirely possible - or even likely - the author just doesn't know WTF they're doing and the story is duly giving out unfortunately and horribly mixed messages. I just find it entertaining to put more thought into it by way of idle speculation than they probably did. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

if we're heading into a serious exploration of Iori's breakdown into a domestic abuser, to me that's a pretty sucky development

Should have precise seem to be Minami's introspection, well on one chapter that's it. There is also the Editor/Iori meeting/some delinuqent imouto moments and editor/mangaka too. I wouldn't wait too much for heavy exploration. Also after checking a bit far ahead, i've seen only one chapter of "violence" but it seem on purpose on both side and more of a game than a real fight.

This all suggests an altogether more subtle and planned-out long-term story arc than I thought was going on here, and a far cry from what I find most pleasurable about the story, which was the inventive way the author could ring funny changes on the theme of domestic connubial bliss between two quirky but essentially benign characters.

If we're heading into the psychological/behavioral abyss again, I'm not sure I'm along for the ride this time.

I mean it's also entirely possible - or even likely - the author just doesn't know WTF they're doing and the story is duly giving out unfortunately and horribly mixed messages. I just find it entertaining to put more thought into it by way of idle speculation than they probably did. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I get that. It's just that part of the appeal of this all along was that it often seemed to be a pretty spontaneous, off-the-cuff kind of story that the author wasn't thinking about too hard.

Now I want to say, "Think about what the fuck you're doing here, please!"

Maybe the author was trying to paint Iori's violent outbursts as romantic, like Iori cares so much about Minami that she loses control of her actions, and that only through Iori's "passion" can Iori erase Minami's insecurities.

Which is a pretty sociopathic message, and not romantic at all. (And it is also bad that the story frames Minami as being in the wrong. By having Iori not apologizing, the author is sending the message that it is Minami's fault she got hit because she has self-doubts. She needs a hug and reassurance, not a fist to the face and shaming)

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Well they’ve never been the most emotionally stable couple. But seriously this was a very real chapter for me, some people might be reassuring but to others it’s the most frustrating thing in the world when someone else tries to decide what’s best for you. If someone tells you they like you or they’re happy don’t try to make like it’s not true.

Have you ever had that one friend or been that depressive person saying things like “No one likes me”, “You’re just saying that.” and legitimately wanted to slap them because you know it’s not true and no matter how much you try and tell them you love them or anything reassuring they just don’t accept it. There’s only so many times you can say the same thing and not get annoyed.

That’s what I saw in the chapter, no matter how happy Iori is, or says she is, Minami keeps thinking she’s not enough or that Iori could be happier, and that hurts. Almost like Minami is rejecting their relationship. It’s peak self sabotage/self loathing and I’ve been on both sides of that. Psychoanalysis over.

I haven't doubted anyone's affection for me, but I am prone to depressions and neglecting myself. I understand why my bf would get angry at me for it, but even then it's rare and there'd never be any actual violence involved.

I think in this case it irks me even more because we're talking about someone who's already had a past with being mistreated, and it feels very wrong for someone who loves her and is meant to treat her right to beat her in any way, even if it's an understandable sentiment. A slap, maybe, but she seemed to get more than just that.

I think the author has seen way too many telenovelas...?

I used to be on the "the violence isn't that bad, it's poor slapstick at most!" side, but now that I'm seeing Minami /blame herself/ for being beat up by her partner /for being insecure/? I mean, if you needed a physical release or to "make her realise what she's saying", a slight flick on the forehead would have sufficed, Iori. I get the sensation of "you idiot how can you be saying this when you know I love you??", but I'd never muster up the energy to hit someone I love when they're clearly having a vulnerable moment. I've been in Minami's place A LOT, and I'd be pretty mad to get hit, tbh. (then again, I don't completely hate myself.)