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joined Jul 29, 2017

I think Tan Jiu has the talent for large narratives but seems unfocused and impatient. She jumps around and backs up to fill out backstory like someone who has a good eye for how to structure a narrative, but lacks the patience to finish out plans and execute them.

No offense, but that sounds like my point.

Someone who could do A but finds themselves distracted into focusing on B would seem to be strong in B rather than in A.

Edit: There’s also the Other Gay Guy, the not big one.

last edited at May 24, 2019 7:18PM

Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

Woah, hey, a plotline may have been dropped, but it is -not- subtext.

Maybe subtext was the wrong word. Indirect is more like it. Sure, they can talk about what they mean to each other and be cute together, but they can't really show it as explicitly anymore.

At least that seems to be the direction its going in. Fuck China.

last edited at May 25, 2019 2:13AM

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2hu%20cats
joined Jun 27, 2014

I'd been wondering why the story changed so dramatically. I'd been invested in all the side characters too, not to mention Qui Tong and Sun Jing's progressing relationship...

Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

Fuck China.

Fuck Westerners. I'm so tired of seeing baseless China-bashing on every English website, and I'm not even Chinese. This tall tale about self-imposed censorship of the story is a complete fabrication with absolutely no basis in reality. Literally somebody just made it up and you instantly take it as fact without hesitation because it fits your preconceived notions of China as a country to be looked down on with contempt. I really, really hate how Europeans and their descendants across the pond seem to base their self-worth on perceived moral superiority to non-Europeans.

I have dozens of reasons to dislike China. Whether this is one more or less makes no difference.
I don't have any self-worth to speak of, but I sure know that the Chinese government is terrible. Despite their efforts at censorship, more than enough of their crimes are evident. The West ain't all peachy either, but that doesn't mean anyone should ignore the facts.

And before this goes downhill, the people aren`t bad, it's the nation.The Chinese people does not deserve the way they are treated.

last edited at May 25, 2019 2:28PM

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joined Jul 29, 2017

Fuck China.

Fuck Westerners. I'm so tired of seeing baseless China-bashing on every English website, and I'm not even Chinese. This tall tale about self-imposed censorship of the story is a complete fabrication with absolutely no basis in reality. Literally somebody just made it up and you instantly take it as fact without hesitation because it fits your preconceived notions of China as a country to be looked down on with contempt. I really, really hate how Europeans and their descendants across the pond seem to base their self-worth on perceived moral superiority to non-Europeans.

The author says the following (translated):

"“Regarding the issue of (SQ) publication I would like to update everyone, originally the second volume was set to be published in October but it was temporarily suspended because of the general assembly (*note: if I’m not wrong she’s talking about the 19th CCP Congress 2017). Later in November the publishing company requested to remove the confession scene on the bridge before publishing the manhua, their meaning is that even though this would be a cut version at least we can still earn royalties. My company and I roundly rejected this, really find it hard to accept my work being censored in this manner, in the end we decided at this stage to suspend the publication of the second volume for the time being. Regarding this matter, towards everyone who have been waiting for the publication I would like to express my deepest apologies. Publishing their work is how artists survive, and it is also every artist’s wish and dream, so (this incident) had a definite impact on my condition. But I am already slowly recovering, regardless of whether I have the chance to publish my work or not, I will still continue to draw on.”

https://velvetrouge.tumblr.com/post/169814029146/regarding-the-issue-of-sq-publication-i-would

joined Jul 26, 2016

Literally somebody just made it up and you instantly take it as fact without hesitation because it fits your preconceived notions of China

Yeah, can't imagine why people would be willing to believe that of a totalitarian police state whose current Great Leader has managed to turn himself into a Diet Mao - budding personality cult and all - and openly pursues rather explicitly conservative-nationalist cultural policies on the side...

last edited at May 25, 2019 4:13PM

matsuri_wins
4bbe1078a9d82bf519de9e5fc56dee60
joined Feb 18, 2018

This was a story I used to like but dropped a year ago due to non-existent plot. Has anything changed?

Sena
joined Jun 27, 2017

This was a story I used to like but dropped a year ago due to non-existent plot. Has anything changed?

Are you trolling?

matsuri_wins
4bbe1078a9d82bf519de9e5fc56dee60
joined Feb 18, 2018

No? Just wondering, looks like from the discussions there is still no plot.

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joined Jul 29, 2017

No? Just wondering, looks like from the discussions there is still no plot.

It’s a little hard to explain why questions like this come off so badly. But they do.

On the surface, it’s just a simple question: “This used to have a plot, then it it went SOL. Does it have a plot again or not?” Short answer: no, it’s still SOL.

But the more extreme version (I’m not saying this is what you’re doing—I’m making a parallel) is the person who comes into a forum and says, in effect, “I dumped this because it sucked. Hey idiots who have been reading it all along—does it still suck?”

The people who have been reading it all along and presumably don’t think it sucks have no inclination to save that person any labor by answering the question. (Not answering sincerely, anyway.)

In this case, reading any three chapters would take as many minutes or fewer, and then you could answer the question yourself.

last edited at May 25, 2019 9:47PM

4bbe1078a9d82bf519de9e5fc56dee60
joined Feb 18, 2018

Ok I got the point, sorry if it came off badly. I actually decided to ask because the last time I tried to pick up the series again, I couldn't tell if there was a plot or not, even after reading several chapters lol hard to explain. And then I read the posts above, again trying to figure out if there is a plot or not, and found a discussion about China and indirect vs subtext lol So I was like...ok, the only option is to ask if the story has some direction or not now.

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joined Jul 29, 2017

No, it hasn’t changed much, and looking back over the whole thing, it was always fairly indirect and made up of embedded SOL mini-arcs, so maybe any three chapters at any point wouldn’t necessarily tell you all that much about continuity.

But they’re still cute, anyway.

016
joined Mar 21, 2017

I've always read this as SOL with a sub plot about a GL romance. I think the blurb sometimes makes it feel like they aren't selling it as one.

Tron-legacy
joined Dec 11, 2017

I think Tan Jiu has the talent for large narratives but seems unfocused and impatient. She jumps around and backs up to fill out backstory like someone who has a good eye for how to structure a narrative, but lacks the patience to finish out plans and execute them.

No offense, but that sounds like my point.

Someone who could do A but finds themselves distracted into focusing on B would seem to be strong in B rather than in A.

I intended it to expand on your point. You said she was better at character scenes than managing a large narrative, I was pointing out that I think the skill and instinct for a narrative is there, but lacking the focus to piece things together in order.

Edit: There’s also the Other Gay Guy, the not big one.

Upperclassman is the only gay guy, though. I'm assuming you mean Sun Jing's and Mophead's friend, who Upperclassman likes, but nothing Tan Jiu has shown us so far indicates that he reciprocates UC's feelings. In fact, most of his reactions so far are of crippling discomfort and panic.

In other words, if he's gay, he's at least closeted, in denial, and maybe even self-hating. Is it possible that the story is about him becoming comfortable with himself and dating UC? Maybe, but there's no real indications of it.

Or is that the wrong person, and I'm forgetting someone else?

Tron-legacy
joined Dec 11, 2017

Woah, hey, a plotline may have been dropped, but it is -not- subtext.

Maybe subtext was the wrong word. Indirect is more like it. Sure, they can talk about what they mean to each other and be cute together, but they can't really show it as explicitly anymore.

But....They -just- had their second kiss. They were explicitly flirting. They're a couple. Tan Jiu hasn't shied from -any- of that.

The censorship just has to do with her work not being -published-, keeping her from making money off of it. She's still making it as an explicitly romantic relationship.

Fuck China.

I know how you meant this, and the person that got pissed over it was explicitly wrong, plus you clarified, but it might be better to go with "Fuck the Chinese Government" from the get-go in the future. ;p

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joined Jul 29, 2017

Upperclassman is the only gay guy, though. I'm assuming you mean Sun Jing's and Mophead's friend, who Upperclassman likes, but nothing Tan Jiu has shown us so far indicates that he reciprocates UC's feelings. In fact, most of his reactions so far are of crippling discomfort and panic.

You’re right—I was reading his reaction in that “you’re cute, girls would like you, also guys” scene as an “Oh shit, my secret feelings have been revealed” panic. Then that random guy kissed him in the restaurant, which is certainly an unfortunate coincidence if not a gaydar reading.

In other words, if he's gay, he's at least closeted, in denial, and maybe even self-hating. Is it possible that the story is about him becoming comfortable with himself and dating UC? Maybe, but there's no real indications of it.

People have been making the point that even the narrative sections of the series were pretty diffuse and indirect as far as which threads were important for future development. Along with the elements we’ve mentioned, there was the budding “friendship” with the rival basketball guys, as well as the academic rivalry between Mophead and Tattletale (Mophead saving Tattletale from falling off the chair is for me of the more visually memorable scenes in the series).

It’s pretty clear that Tanjiu was gearing up to continue the series as it had been going by focusing on SJ & QT while throwing Mo into the mix, with Mophead and Eager Girl as a subplot, when something happened and everything swerved (in terms of story format). But there’s no indication that the story was going to become more sexually explicit—and it’s always been about a lesbian relationship.

It’s almost like Dynasty needs a new term. This series and, say, A Room for Two are about girls in a loving relationship that’s as “text” as text can be, but neither may ever (for various reasons) supply the kind of evidence the yuri-skeptics are looking for.

(My own preferred term is “yuri.”)

Sena
joined Jun 27, 2017

It’s a little hard to explain why questions like this come off so badly. But they do.

That wasn't it at all. I was exasperated because that topic was discussed in at least 163 posts, including the ones directly above the question. ^^

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joined Jul 29, 2017

It’s a little hard to explain why questions like this come off so badly. But they do.

That wasn't it at all. I was exasperated because that topic was discussed in at least 163 posts, including the ones directly above the question. ^^

Sorry to misspeak on your behalf, then. I myself do get exasperated at the “I dumped this, did it get any better?” or the “I used to read this and hated it, now bring me up to speed on the plot” posts simply because of the maladroit rhetorical strategy.

Audience matters.

Imgonline-com-ua-resize-vwt1kupzlnws
joined Jul 8, 2018

Imagine if that rock wasn't even the gift

last edited at May 30, 2019 1:30AM

Image
joined Feb 23, 2016

I want to see what happend in SJ house xD

Avatar
joined Oct 22, 2018

furiously taps screen for next page repeatedly

censorship tends to spur more creative works hmmm

Img_0215
joined Jul 29, 2017

Imagine if that rock wasn't even the gift

I love the rock. I have no idea what it is or why it (may be) a gift. But I love it.

Nuku_nuku_13
joined Aug 27, 2013

186 was 10x better than 185, I didn't like that chapter much at all :p

Love Ramen Cat though...

Rimg0054
joined Aug 22, 2016

Imagine if that rock wasn't even the gift

I love the rock. I have no idea what it is or why it (may be) a gift. But I love it.

It's probably a semiprecious stone/crystal, like the ones that are said to have some power/effect on people, that one can buy in gift- or esoteric shops as token or talismans...
Going by the kinda pink shade and taken into account the overall colortone of the manhwa, it could be an amethyst, which "is a stone of spiritual protection and purification, cleansing one's energy field of negative influences and attachments, and creating a resonant shield of spiritual Light around the body. It acts as a barrier against lower energies, psychic attack, geopathic stress and unhealthy environments." [quote, the first google result I found]
Which would further lend into the idea that she's aware that her sweetpie has something troubling her, just like she gifted her with the body-pillow.

Edit: Thinking about it, Amethysts are more purple than pink, so a Rose Quartz may actually be more of a match, to which the internet says: "Pink Rose Quartz brings the energy rays of determination, commitment, and caring. Its soothing color calms feelings of anger or resentment, and can aid efforts to meditate and reflect. Pink is the color of new love, new romance and new relationships."
or to be more precise: "Known as a romance stone, Rose Quartz can be used to attract love." :P

last edited at May 30, 2019 7:34PM

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