As for the title, I think it should be changed to "Abandon All Hope of Salvation, Call a Criminal Attorney, and Barricade Your Home from the Cops Before Clicking on This"

That's pretty clear, right?

I'm fairly sure even then people would click and come to the comments to complain it wasn't written that it was lolicon specifically.

schuyguy posted:

I think I'd buy this being canon in the doujin version of Master and Me, but it just doesn't fit with their relationship in the published version.

So there are 2 canons? Doujin and published?

schuyguy posted:

I think I'd buy this being canon in the doujin version of Master and Me, but it just doesn't fit with their relationship in the published version.

So there are 2 canons? Doujin and published?

These are like random pics Itou just posted on twitter on a whim. So they probably don't conform to any real canon.

I see black powder and dry sponges, it is probably cannon.

sorathecrow posted:

schuyguy posted:

I think I'd buy this being canon in the doujin version of Master and Me, but it just doesn't fit with their relationship in the published version.

So there are 2 canons? Doujin and published?

These are like random pics Itou just posted on twitter on a whim. So they probably don't conform to any real canon.

I know, but I'm pretty sure in Itou's mind they are totally fucking like that. We just don't see it. So I wouldn't be surprised if they consider it as something that do happen in canon of the story. I was more surprised of distinction between canon of doujins and published version. I had no idea there is some significant difference between them (as I barely read Itou's work).

I always enjoy my loli manga with a glass of wine at a fireplace, and a side of sjw tears.

Point out the SJWs please

I know, but I'm pretty sure in Itou's mind they are totally fucking like that. We just don't see it. So I wouldn't be surprised if they consider it as something that do happen in canon of the story. I was more surprised of distinction between canon of doujins and published version. I had no idea there is some significant difference between them (as I barely read Itou's work).

If you read this one, you'll see an obvious difference. In the doujin version, it's very clear that the characters have a romantic, if not sexual, relationship. On the other hand, the manga version is just as pure as other Itou Hachi works.

On the other hand, the manga version is just as pure as other Itou Hachi works.

So hypersexual oneerori romance?

Haha the meltdown in this threads. At least itou Hachi has the balls to do it (Oneeloli-yuri-sex)

Leaving the hentai drawings aside for a moment, what evidence is there that all the pieces from both “Master and Me” and “My Master & Furry-Eared Girl Mel” should not be considered canon?

There are a couple of scenes that get repeated in slightly different versions, and a strict timeline among all the pieces isn’t very clear, but there’s no substantial change in the characters or the basic premises of the stories.

In fact, the person with whom the Master has business in the recent chapter is clearly the same character as in “Oneeloli Manga 1” posted in 2015.

Now, I’m not entirely sure that the sketch of Mel straddling Master in bed while wearing a leotard and fishnet stockings counts as narrative canon, but it’s thematically consistent with everything else.

Edit: There is the suggestion that MM&FEGM may take place earlier in time than the doujin (Mel is already sleeping in Master’s bed in the first story, while we see the first time it happened in Chapter 2 of the new one), and Mel seems a bit older in the earlier stories, but her “perceived age” fluctuates a fair amount across all the stories anyway—sometimes she seems very young, and other times she seems to be all but a teenager.

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It's often the case that the serialized work operates on a different track than the oneshot or doujin that preceded it. Even if all the characters are the same and some events are repeated, there tend to be numerous inconsistencies. For an example in this, the treatment of the kidnapper. That feels like a recycled idea that was portrayed two different ways. I don't think there could be a world where Master rushes back to the house to make sure Mel's safe one day, and Mel leaves Master's sight in town and gets kidnapped another. It just doesn't make sense.

The problem (for me) is that their relationship in the manga is too awkward, at least so far. They're quite formal with each other, and distant. When they go to be together at night, Master kisses Mel on the forehead. Their "special relationship" from the doujin just doesn't feel like it fits. Maybe that's something that happens at some point in the future after they grow closer, but it feels disjointed enough so far that I don't want to make assumptions.

I’m done with all the people on this discussion.
You guys are trying to justify pedophilia, FICTIONAL OR NOT.

That's actually a smart decision. Since you're not actually interested in a discussion, just like to blame your nonsense on others and runt about shit you have no clue about it's probably for the best to just f... off...

Some people also might not like having child pornography in their search engine profiles. Like I have said repeatedly there is no logical argument as to why the title cannot be changed to make it clearer and decrease the odds of a miss-click. It will take literally like 4 minutes of somebody's time to fix this. That is the only down side. The simple fact is a large number of people are miss-clicking on this thinking it is something that it is not. There is absolutely no real reason not to fix it with a simple title change.

If you don't like having CP in your search engine profile here are a few tips for you:
1. stop googeling for child pornographie
2. learn how to use a god damn browser the right way...

also: dumbing down the title does not make people read it.

Maybe if people actually bother to read title and tags of work they are about to read then there wouldn't be even a need to complain about it in comments section and staff wouldn't need to spend their time fixing something that isn't a issue.

People reading signs? In what world are you living? It's sooo much easier to ignore them and rant about them later....

It's often the case that the serialized work operates on a different track than the oneshot or doujin that preceded it. Even if all the characters are the same and some events are repeated, there tend to be numerous inconsistencies.

Maybe, but I don’t get the feeling that in this story Itou Hachi has a strong commitment to strict continuity in any case, so “canon” is a bit of a problematic concept here. These characters have always been about what she called “lovey-dovey flirting” scenes, especially ones of the Master worrying about Mel, rather than narrative arcs anyway.

To me the differences between the series seem more like in Western comics when a title by a small press gets picked up for wider distribution by a larger publisher and the edgier, more “alternative” elements just get toned down a bit.

(That doesn’t happen much with romance—not that there’s so much of it anyway—so it’s hard to come up with a completely analogous example.)

Like others have said, I suspect that to the author, one piece of the Master & Mel story is as “real” as any other, including the hentai.

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Yes, and anyone who would argue against a simple fix with no down sides is a moron. Now that we have finished calling each other imbeciles why don't we move on fix the problem?

The problem is yours to fix. Read the tags before you click on things on a site that hosts a significant amount of porn.

EDIT: It's tough clicking on something you didn't mean to click on, but use this as an opportunity to learn and grow and not let it happen again (or acquire a new fetish).

:)

You are completely missing the point. I'm not here to cry victim and complain that I was like somehow traumatized by accidentally seeing a little pedophilic pornography. I wasn't and I actually have nothing against people enjoying child porn so long as real children weren't harmed while making it. I'm here to point out that this thread is full of other people who have also made this same mistake and clicked on this thinking it was something else and a bunch more that even after reading it still are confused if this is canon or not.

I was merely pointing out that a simple rewording of the title and making it clearer will take 5 minutes of somebody's time would solve most of these miss-clicks and misunderstandings and it would literally have no down side what-so-ever. There is no reason not to fix it. That's my point.

It's like if there was a stop sign at the end of a street that was slightly obscured by a tree branch. Because of this people who aren't paying enough attention occasionally miss the sign and wreck or run over children etc. Rather than point out that the people who miss the stop sign should pay more attention why not take five minutes to remove the branch and fix the issue?

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Because the signs are visible enough as is, as was pointed multiple times already, and because no children are being run over when people don't bother to pay attention.

That multiple people have failed to actually read the goddamn title nevermind now the tags adds no weight whatsoever to your argument, as that's still 100% PEBKAC.

Laziness and/or stupidity do not become any lesser sins for the number of people committing them.

If the sign says “Wally World is closed” and is accompanied by other signs saying closed, shut, and not open, and all you got from it was “Wally World” slow down and read better. “Master and Mel Oneeloli Hentai” is what is contained inside the book, if you don’t want that don’t read it, the title could not be clearer to what is inside. It’s not Primer, it’s John Dies at the End, in that what is contained within is what is written on the tin. There is absolutely nothing more clear than that labeling, cigarettes wrapped in pictures of diseased lungs are more ambiguous about their contents and the effects thereof.

You keep insisting that something needs to be “fixed” when by any reasonable standard the piece has been labeled explicitly and completely to indicate what it is.

The business about “canon/not canon” is a complete red herring—it’s images of the named characters drawn by the author, filed separately from the official series themselves. As the previous discussion indicates, the “canonical” status of all the various stories and drawings of these characters by this author has never been explicitly defined (and very likely doesn’t mean much to the author herself).

As has been stated many times in this thread, if people cannot be bothered to read the very clear and explicit title and tags to a story, the problem is with their reading practices, not the labels.

Yeah, even if it had been titled the way you requested, it's clear it wouldn't have mattered. Despite the title and tags, people read this anyway, only to be shocked it was lolicon porn. Giving it a awkward title that assumes stuff we don't know (I'd like to imagine this isn't canon and is just some porn they drew for fun, but only Itou knows) would change nothing.

:/ People gonna read what they gonna read.

Dude, it fucking says porn in the title.

In fact, the title is such a perfect description of the contents that it'd be difficult to imagine a better one.

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I’m going to repeat something I’ve said before, and then be done with this. Titles and labels and the question of whether Dynasty readers want to have sex with little children (I am confident we very firmly do not) aside, there’s a reason Itou Hachi’s work produces this kind of chaotic and often anguished array of responses.

The drawing style (and this includes the staging and pacing) of many of her works, including all of the furry ones, is insanely appealing at an almost unconscious level—I myself am not in general particularly attracted to heavily cute manga styles, but I find Itou Hachi’s work, including this series, to be almost irresistible. And as a yuri reader, my default reading impulse is to wish for the OTP of a series to be together as much and as intimately as they want to be.

The Master and Mel relationship is overtly depicted as being entirely positive and rewarding for both parties, and the overall story world is shown as consisting of a mostly benign society with an occasional threatening element surrounding a nearly hermetically sealed domestic bubble of world-class cute. (Cue the butterflies.)

The big ‘but’ is that the Master & Mel relationship has always been depicted as to some extent sexualized, starting with Mel’s ambiguous S/M collar to a very long list of behaviors that would be adorably sexy (even sometimes rather kinky) were it not for the age status of the protagonists. The author then allows us to blur some distinctions a bit by making Mel not a “real” human child but a beastkin without ever defining exactly what that means.

As a result, the series is very literally a “guilty pleasure,” with the pleasures being, as I mentioned, almost viscerally irresistible (I suspect many people would click on something labeled ‘Master & Mel’ no matter how heinous the warning tags might be), but as soon as you think just a bit below the surface about what’s going on in the Master-Mel relationship, you realize that you've been reading about what is by any measure “inappropriate” (to say the least) behavior and thinking it’s the most adorable thing in the world. So hence the guilt.

The hentai won’t allow for the usual rationalizations and deflections about the nature of the relationship, which explains the desperation about denying that this is “canon” so as to preserve the idea that the “real” story that we enjoy so much isn’t about that at all.

The series has always been simultaneously extraordinarily adorable and ethically unsettling (that’s a constant theme in the series discussion boards), and I suspect that many people who crash these threads crying, “You do realize that pedophilia is WRONG, don’t you?!?” (as if that could possibly be news to anybody) are really yelling at themselves rather than at anyone else.

imagine getting triggered by a drawing

You are a bunch of fucking idiots, talking about changing the tittle(which couldnt be more obvious and precise of what kind of content you will find) and your fucking morals over some drawings, OVER SOME FUCKING DRAWINGS, i really suggest you all to go out more often and find a fucking life and stop this ridiculous and pointless discussion over some lewd DRAWINGS in a page which contents is mostly made of what? oh yeah HENTAI IMAGES AND DOUJINS.

did someone rlly missclicked the title after reading HENTAI/NSFW/LOLICON and thought it would be something else??

You are a bunch of fucking idiots, talking about changing the tittle(which couldnt be more obvious and precise of what kind of content you will find) and your fucking morals over some drawings, OVER SOME FUCKING DRAWINGS, i really suggest you all to go out more often and find a fucking life and stop this ridiculous and pointless discussion over some lewd DRAWINGS in a page which contents is mostly made of what? oh yeah HENTAI IMAGES AND DOUJINS.

Please calm down with your response. While I agree that people shouldn't read this if they don't like what it was tagged as, we also don't need these posts loudly insulting them in response. Try to be somewhat civil when responding so we can avoid the long pointless arguments from earlier.