I feel uncomfortable with this one. This girl is underage and innocent. When the manga showed that she doen’t even know about sex make it seem worse. Rape and pedophile is bad even it is for yuri.

But that did not look like compulsion.

It doesn't need to be compulsion to be rape. The young lady was not in any faculty to give consent because she knew nothing of what was happening. That's rape

Oh man, I feel so conflicted. It clearly is trying to portray this as positive as possible, but god damn it that lady raped a young girl who had no idea what was going on. Try to rationalize it however you want, but that was rape

I do not think it is trying to portray it as positive as possible, though. If it were, we would be reading the usual age gap story, you know, the ones where the difference in age seems to have no influence whatsoever on relationship dynamics.

@xxcindybeexx: Basically, I had a similar reaction when I got to the "oh it was sex" part, I started shaking my head in the "no one could be that clueless" reaction. So I brought it up on our IRC in a joking manner, and one of the other regulars said her first time with a woman was remarkably similar (not in the age gap aspect, lol, but in the delayed realisation) for reasons I then brought up in one of my previous posts here, and I could see it actually made sense. Plus, the girl here was dazed and confused as fuck about the whole thing as it is, it is not that surprising some implications of the deed flew past her at first.

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Then again... >_>
Genre conventions are weird.

"No," "Stop it," "Don't!" are common tropes in japanese media though...they even say it when they are into it and are just shy about it, so it's hard for me to take it seriously in manga.

Well, fair enough. But personally, no matter how many times I see it in manga, yuri or otherwise, the idea that "No" means "Yes" still immediately breaks me out of the story.

I still wouldn't say it's that common. It's common in yaoi, because fujoshi sometimes have these weird rape fantasies, where they'll borrow the body from the uke.

I suppose it's not exactly the same as with yaoi, but it's still one person forcibly initiating sex without obtaining consent.
You could argue that it's just fiction and it doesn't have to be realistic, but on the other hand you have stories like this, where even without the age gap it's pretty fucked up and not pretending to be anything else.

Delinquents and aggressive girls in general are pretty rare in yuri.

No, they're pretty common.

"Two women nude embrace"
Lmao best one yet

On the risk that no one will care:

When reading through lots of yuri doujin/one-shots/etc...I often see the phrase 'Can two women even have sex??' come up in one way or another. I'm not going to pretend I know the conventional method of how the concept of sex gets introduced to Japanese youth, but at least in yuri manga, I'm used to mild ignorance of sex between two women. It might seem mildly implausible in this day and age, but I'm not surprised by it, especially if it was a haze to her.

this feels more like a horror than anything even remotely romantic. I wonder if the author is that inept, or is legitimately trying to portray the situation as disturbing and incomprehensible.

This page and the next is an obvious sign.
This page, her comment on liking "transient things" is pretty big foreshadowing
This page and the next, mc is confused, she takes advantage of her trust
Her skipping school the next day, trying to behave normally, after realising what happened to her

GEE. IDK, I WONDER IF THE DISCOMFORT IS INTENTIONAL.
It most definitely is. It is indeed meant to be uncomfortable.
The scenes may be presented in an erotic manner, but it is by no means meant to be romantic and fluff.
The whole series so far just screams of "stranger danger", you gotta be blind and fooling yourself really hard if you're still convinced that it's a cute and sweet age gap romance. At this point, it's like some want it to be cute, and just ignore all the signs and are still confused at why does it not feel sweet.
Because it's not. Everything so far has been the adult making the main character feel comfortable and trust her, and finally taking advantage of it.
So, no, the author is not inept. They portrayed it as uncomfortable, most readers feel uncomfortable, and that's absolutely the point. (Though more specifically, it's like, "hot", and "wrong". The eroticism is built on how it feels wrong.)

Her skipping school the next day, trying to behave normally, after realising what happened to her

Actually she only skipped the second day after, apparently due to needing some "me time" to digest things. The first was spent being visibly absent-minded at school until she consulted Goggle-sensei in the afternoon/evening.

Her skipping school the next day, trying to behave normally, after realising what happened to her

Actually she only skipped the second day after, apparently due to needing some "me time" to digest things. The first was spent being visibly absent-minded at school until she consulted Goggle-sensei in the afternoon/evening.

And that's exactly what I said.
She skipped school after realising what happened.
I meant the day following the realisation, but it's the wording I guess lmao

Oh man, I feel so conflicted. It clearly is trying to portray this as positive as possible, but god damn it that lady raped a young girl who had no idea what was going on. Try to rationalize it however you want, but that was rape

I wouldn't say as positive as possible. Jinno-san looks terrified on the last page.

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weee this ended in the new chapter released this month, so it's gonna be 6 chapters

Definitely interesting! I wonder how much older she is? Do you think she's in her 20's or 30's? (In either case, in reality it would be a bit off, but for fiction, eh, whatever...)

I'm bored, so I'll try and come up with some theories on the "what's the 30-year old single woman doing in this place and how is she supporting herself" question:
1. She's from some stuffy, rich family and after messing around with another woman/possibly women was essentially banished to the country-side.
2. She herself dated some older woman, and once her quasi-wife died, inherited the house and enough money to support herself.
3. She writes porn (or possible something else) and prefers doing so where rent is cheap.
4. She's sickly and somebody thought living in peace and quietude would help.
5. She's really into historical re-enactment and feels the countryside is closer to her ideal.
6. She's running from a violent husband and hiding out in that village.
7. She's a former idol/model/actress and moved to a place where nobody knows her.

• 8. She's some female politician's former mistress and was set up in this out of the way place to keep her out of the public eye.

FTFY

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I appreciate the negative implications of this chapter. The girl, Jinno-San's, actions are remarkably similar to the response someone would have to a RL trauma like sexual assault or rape. I kind of want this manga to keep being realistic and drag Kousaka, but I suspect it will take a fantasy approach and make them end up in love in spite of the whole rape thing.

It's rape. Adult takes kid into bedroom and "has sex" with her isn't a romantic interlude. It's 5-20 years of prison where I live. While this story is disturbing to me... I don't think it's bad. Just... I think the adult in this story is a monster. A lot of pedophiles (ones who act on their feelings for young people) feel shame for their own behavior and yet are compelled to act on it. This woman really fits that profile. And it's disturbing. What I'd like to know is if this is intentional on the part of the author. Or if the author is going to turn this into a romance between rapist and victim. If the author does the latter, I'll be disgusted and disappointed. Because this behavior damages young people. I've seen it first hand. It's not pretty.

Yeah I hate edgy pretentious manga. I love it if manga is using common sense with more realistic characters depth.

Don't like it, don't read it.

Don't like it, don't read it.

I'll read it if I want to read it. And whether I like it or not isn't what this discussion is about (at least not entirely). I felt compelled to talk about this particular manga because it really disturbed me. Anyway, your smug reaction doesn't really add anything to this conversation.

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Well, after the last chapter I said I would wait to see what happened, but I don't think I can withhold judgement of Kousaka any longer. People are talking about "this is what an age gap would actually be like", except that in no other age gap yuri story I know of does the (significantly) older woman immediately force herself sexually on the younger. The only one I can think of that even comes close is Chiba Jirou's "Girl Meets Girl", but the worst the older one did there was kiss the younger in a momentary loss of self control.

In that story, when they meet again (though years later) the older woman is at pains to clarify the desperate nature of her desire, then and now, but still seeks understanding and clear assent from the younger before doing anything sexual. It's actually one of my old favorites due to the lonely forbearance Sensei showed in carrying such a strong passion for years.

Even what Kousaka did would've been forgivable, or at least tolerable within the bounds of the story, if they had talked afterward about what had happened, if Kousaka had explained the nature of her desire and what it had just led to. It still would not have been "good", but it would've been better.

Instead, she left this poor little girl confused about what had happened, ashamed without knowing why, and alienated from what had been her normal life. You can argue about the semantics of whether it was "rape", but it was absolutely and unquestionably child abuse.

As others have said, the author is clearly taking this approach deliberately, with the aim of depicting a messy and unhealthy situation in a compelling way. It certainly has established such a situation strongly, but I'm not yet convinced there is a goal beyond sensationalism, or the writing chops with which to plot an acceptable path out of it. Would it even be acceptable for them to end up together? Not for me I think, if I'm really honest.

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It is quite reasonable that Jinno-san, the younger girl did not realise the situation that she was put in, or that she was actually having sex with Kousaka at that point when they doing it. In the manga, she was dazed, captivated by the allure of the older woman. She was simply too attractive for her to handle, and especially with an older woman that can be slightly intimidating, and so I can understand why Jinno literally lets her to what she wants to her, besides the fact that she was feeling good as well. (As an asian perspective, we younger girls tend to trust older women... especially if they're nice and all... Just like Kousaka to Jinno)

And then the realisation hit later on "Oh, two girls can do it" "Now I'm scared"

Putting myself into a shoes of a 14 year-old Japanese girl.

Edit: They didn't even do much penetration... I can understand why she thinks it's not sex

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I think it's her good fortune to have met Kousaka.

Imagine if she hadn't met her? She would have probably gone out with some guy once in High School, before settling down, getting married and popping a kid or two. End Of Story.

Here, she discovers the wonders of lesbian sex and she obviously enjoyed it, even if it confused her because of her lack of knowledge.

What's not to like?

Mc's smile was so precious tho:v

What's not to like?

Nothing for me, as of now. I like it. And I will like it more if the author portrays things realistically. But if they take the ''lovey-dovey'' route, I'm going to be very disappointed. There's no way I will like it after that.

It's chilling how realistic this is... The kid had just moved to this unfamiliar place, not to mention being neglected by her mom, her position is so vulnerable... I think next we're gonna see how the older woman isolated her, maybe even some gas-lighting... Whatever happens, it's likely that the friend from school is an important character who will make some big impact later on.

Anw I'm interested in how this story will go/end, it seems the author know what kind of stuff they're putting on the plate.

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When the manga has few characters, it is very likely that it has few chapters.

Interesting to say the least. I'm curious as how to it will go from here on out.

Oh man, I feel so conflicted. It clearly is trying to portray this as positive as possible, but god damn it that lady raped a young girl who had no idea what was going on. Try to rationalize it however you want, but that was rape

I don't really see it portraying it as a positive. It actually made it very clear that she didn't even know what was going on, and now she's confused. It seems to be showing it as more realistic, it's showing how she didn't intend on it being bad, but now she's completely unable to deal with what happened.