Ok, I just don't understand...

First, Ririha wants to "completely rob that which Yuzumori hold dear". And lets agree that could made Yuzumori sad and cry, right? (chap.18.2)

Second, Ririha gets annoyed when Yuzumori dont become sad (chap.25)

And now, when Ririha sees Yuzumori crying she helps her?
WTF logic is that? First Ririha tries to upset Yuzumori, and finnaly when Yuzumori gets upset she helps her...

You could say that is because Yuzumori was getting "abused" by an older girl... But c'mon... It's not like the scene was a creepy old man trying to touch her special spot! (in that case I could believe that Ririha would help because that's fucked up) The scene was: a cool looking older girl scolding a child. Teens scold kids all the time... and kids cries all the time for stupid reasons... Ririha overeacted... Even Isuzu was like "what are you doing you crazy slut!?"

But yeah, I guess Ririha is lesbian for Yuzumori after all...

Ok, I just don't understand...

First, Ririha wants to "completely rob that which Yuzumori hold dear". And lets agree that could made Yuzumori sad and cry, right? (chap.18.2)

Second, Ririha gets annoyed when Yuzumori dont become sad (chap.25)

And now, when Ririha sees Yuzumori crying she helps her?
WTF logic is that? First Ririha tries to upset Yuzumori, and finnaly when Yuzumori gets upset she helps her...

You could say that is because Yuzumori was getting "abused" by an older girl... But c'mon... It's not like the scene was a creepy old man trying to touch her special spot! (in that case I could believe that Ririha would help because that's fucked up) The scene was: a cool looking older girl scolding a child. Teens scold kids all the time... and kids cries all the time for stupid reasons... Ririha overeacted... Even Isuzu was like "what are you doing you crazy slut!?"

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But yeah, I guess Ririha is lesbian for Yuzumori after all...

First
Rob what you hold dear, so you won't have anything and become mine
Second
She annoyed because Yuzumori are not lonely so she can't approach her
Now
My assummtion, she thought that's another lover of Yuzumori, the kind that abuses her

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First
Rob what you hold dear, so you won't have anything and become mine
Second
She annoyed because Yuzumori are not lonely so she can't approach her
Now
My assummtion, she thought that's another lover of Yuzumori, the kind that abuses her

First and Second: my thoughts exactly.
Now:
I think Ririha just acted impulsively when she saw Yuzumori crying because somebody's bullying her. I doubt she had any rational thought like assuming Shiori was "another lover" of hers.

First
Rob what you hold dear, so you won't have anything and become mine
Second
She annoyed because Yuzumori are not lonely so she can't approach her
Now
My assummtion, she thought that's another lover of Yuzumori, the kind that abuses her

First and Second: my thoughts exactly.
Now:
I think Ririha just acted impulsively when she saw Yuzumori crying because somebody's bullying her. I doubt she had any rational thought like assuming Shiori was "another lover" of hers.

First Not after Ririha threatened Yuzumori. Do you guys really find that scene on the bathroom appealing? I find it quite disturbing...

Second: Yeah... "After I throw you in the shit I can approach you..." Do you guys enjoy BDSM behaviors? XD

Now: Is probably because of the bullying. But still makes no sense... Apparently only Ririha can bully Yuzumori...

First
Rob what you hold dear, so you won't have anything and become mine
Second
She annoyed because Yuzumori are not lonely so she can't approach her
Now
My assummtion, she thought that's another lover of Yuzumori, the kind that abuses her

First and Second: my thoughts exactly.
Now:
I think Ririha just acted impulsively when she saw Yuzumori crying because somebody's bullying her. I doubt she had any rational thought like assuming Shiori was "another lover" of hers.

First Not after Ririha threatened Yuzumori. Do you guys really find that scene on the bathroom appealing? I find it quite disturbing...

Second: Yeah... "After I throw you in the shit I can approach you..." Do you guys enjoy BDSM behaviors? XD

Now: Is probably because of the bullying. But still makes no sense... Apparently only Ririha can bully Yuzumori...

Some people (and exspecially kids), when they really want a thing, they will do anything that seems like a good plan, until they realize they have fucked it up.

Some people (and exspecially kids), when they really want a thing, they will do anything that seems like a good plan, until they realize they have fucked it up.

That's true!

Some people (and exspecially kids), when they really want a thing, they will do anything that seems like a good plan, until they realize they have fucked it up.

That's true!

I'm sympathetic to Ririha. I'm not justifying her actions, but imagine having a crush on somebody and feeling helpless because you don't know what to do with that, or how to get their attention. Then, you find out the girl you like is happy with somebody else. Some people would react by slipping away and trying to get over their "love". Ririha has her own (fascinating, IMO) way to deal with it.

Yeah, no, this manga has no room for logic anymore. Mangaka is just throwing shit on the page and seeing what sticks.

I really need to change my profile pic.

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Yeah, no, this manga has no room for logic anymore. Mangaka is just throwing shit on the page and seeing what sticks.

I really need to change my profile pic.

Please do

Kids not acting rationally is nothing extraordinary ... Ririha is just really bad dealing with her feelings for Yuzumori

Now, I ship it. More than Kaede and Mimika anyway.

Maybe ririha confessed to yuzumori and she said no that's why yuri left their group. So maybe she hold a grudge against yuri for that and would explain her actions in the bathroom obsessive, angry, and jealous. But despite all of that she hasn't gotten over her feelings or still harbors some she is unwilling to let go and that's why she acted that way when she saw yuzumori crying.

Kids not acting rationally is nothing extraordinary ... Ririha is just really bad dealing with her feelings for Yuzumori

Being the only one allowed to make her cry is not just acting irrationally, its fucking psychotic.

Lol, half the time back in primary school, kids expressed their romantic crushes by bullying their interests. I can totally see where Ririha is coming from. And yes, I even remember the "only one allowed to bully her". Judging by my nephews, things have not changed much over decades, so really, this is just how kids behave. I can see why it would seem psychotic to a grown-up, but like, kids. Primary school kids. Rationality. What even.
Also, kids do not exactly have finely calibrated good-bad scale, it is the period when they are learning this, so you can actually reasonably expect them to be more flexible, shall we say, in this sense, than adults.

Were those primary kids dating highschool girls or already have modeling careers? No?

I guess that's just the convenience of having child characters. You can have them smart enough to recognize a romantic relationship, devise a plan to invoke the idiots sacrifice to get them to break up while hoping they dont talk about it, and excuse it because she is mature and wise beyond her years. But then come back and have her regress to preschool mentality to explain that she is essentially just pulling the girl she like's pig tails, because "children, duh" and some people will just let it go. It's cognitive dissonance, is Ririha more mature then a child or isnt she? Pick one, trying to have it both ways just makes it look like bad writing.

Were those primary kids dating highschool girls or already have modeling careers? No?

I guess that's just the convenience of having child characters. You can have them smart enough to recognize a romantic relationship, devise a plan to invoke the idiots sacrifice to get them to break up while hoping they dont talk about it, and excuse it because she is mature and wise beyond her years. But then come back and have her regress to preschool mentality to explain that she is essentially just pulling the girl she like's pig tails, because "children, duh" and some people will just let it go. It's cognitive dissonance, is Ririha more mature then a child or isnt she? Pick one, trying to have it both ways just makes it look like bad writing.

Being mature and wise beyond her years indeed, but like i said before, the selfishness can make you do stupid shits even if you're adult.

You want something -> You think you're clever and comes up with a brilliant plan to get that -> Plan didn't work out as you expected -> You realize (or not) that you were wrong

Being mature and wise beyond her years indeed, but like i said before, the selfishness can make you do stupid shits even if you're adult.

Except you didn't. You blamed her behavior entirely on the fact that she is a child. If an adult acted like this then getting a retraining order would be child's play.

You want something -> You think you're clever and comes up with a brilliant plan to get that -> Plan didn't work out as you expected -> You realize (or not) that you were wrong

Several issues. First, Ririha doesn't seem to understand what she wants. She's smart enough to easily trick a young adult but too stupid enough to figure out her own basic emotions. Second, her plan worked exactly as she intended. She took away everything from Yuzumori that she held dear. There is nothing here showing that she has realized that what she did was wrong. She is a fucking psycho attacking random people over shit that she caused.

Being mature and wise beyond her years indeed, but like i said before, the selfishness can make you do stupid shits even if you're adult.

Except you didn't. You blamed her behavior entirely on the fact that she is a child. If an adult acted like this then getting a retraining order would be child's play.

I said...

Some people (and especially kids), when they really want a thing, they will do anything that seems like a good plan, until they realize they have fucked it up.

Which means adults and a lot of kids. I guess my shitty English is the reason I couldn't deliver it to you

My point was, when selfishness > reason, you would do foolish stuffs that you think it's clever.

Several issues. First, Ririha doesn't seem to understand what she wants. She's smart enough to easily trick a young adult but too stupid enough to figure out her own basic emotions. Second, her plan worked exactly as she intended. She took away everything from Yuzumori that she held dear. There is nothing here showing that she has realized that what she did was wrong. She is a fucking psycho attacking random people over shit that she caused.

First, it's WE the readers who didn't understand what she wants.

Second, her plan was to make Yuzumori lonely so she can have her, but Yuzu got along well with her classmates so the plan failed miserably. Actually I already had this thought since the bathroom scene, then it got removed after Mimika's break up, now it's back.

If you are going to whisk away shitty writing with something as vague as "selfishness" then that's your own prerogative. If the character is acting insane pointing out that insane people exist doesn't make it any better.

And no, its clear that she doesnt understand what she wants. She is not trying to make friends with Yuzumori, she is bullying her and openly admitted to wanting to make her miserable. If your theory is true then that just makes the terrible writing stand out even more. When is Ririha suppose to make Yuzumori hers? Why did she not try this after Yuzumori lost all her friends? Why did Ririha not try to get close to her after she broke up with Mamika? If she is trying to make Yuzumori lonely in order to swoop on then why has she not tried to swoop in yet? It seems that after she fucks up Yuzumoris life she just acts like nothing happened. She is not trying to get close to Yuzumori herself and the bathroom scene proves that. If she wanted to trick Yuzumori onto becoming her one and only friend then why openly threaten her to her face instead of ruining her life secretly? Does she expect Yuzumori to like her after admitting to ruinning her life? If so then this is worst than I originally thought.

If you are going to whisk away shitty writing with something as vague as "selfishness" then that's your own prerogative.

Hi, can you please expound on why do you consider this a "shitty writing"? I'm genuinely curious.

If you are going to whisk away shitty writing with something as vague as "selfishness" then that's your own prerogative.

Hi, can you please expound on why do you consider this a "shitty writing"? I'm genuinely curious.

Characters acting out of character, like a smart and mature child all the sudden acting moronic and ignorant. Or invoking tropes in the worst of ways, such as Mamika breaking up over Yuzumori not having friends without actually talking to her about the issue. Or characters getting weirdly specific amnesia and forgetting past events, such as Yuzumori not remembering Ririha confronting her in the bathroom and directly threatening her. Weird that she didn't remember that after Mamika broke up with her after talking with Ririha. You'd think she would be a little curious as to what Ririha told her.

But no, let's just forget all that because typical melodrama beats out an interesting almost-realistic look at a lolicon and her gay relationship.

Characters acting out of character, like a smart and mature child all the sudden acting moronic and ignorant. Or invoking tropes in the worst of ways, such as Mamika breaking up over Yuzumori not having friends without actually talking to her about the issue. Or characters getting weirdly specific amnesia and forgetting past events, such as Yuzumori not remembering Ririha confronting her in the bathroom and directly threatening her. Weird that she didn't remember that after Mamika broke up with her after talking with Ririha. You'd think she would be a little curious as to what Ririha told her.

Emotions tend to fuck with your rationality. Like how you should normally know that you shouldn't respond to trolls but d'ooooh you're just so gosh darn mad at what they said that you just have to respond. And it's not until you've finally come down from that emotional high that you realise what an idiot you've been.
Yuzumori's a relatively smart kid, but she's so emotionally attached to Mimika that the destruction of that attachment, even when it's so obvious from an outside perspective, is devastating for her. And Mimika's a dumb lolicon who's paranoid over so many things, mainly crossing a legal boundary, that she's easily manipulated by her emotions.

If you are going to whisk away shitty writing with something as vague as "selfishness" then that's your own prerogative.

Hi, can you please expound on why do you consider this a "shitty writing"? I'm genuinely curious.

I think is still early to call this "shitty writing". I know my whiny comment kinda started this discussion, but still... We don't know yet the real cause of why Yuzumori left the group. Who knows... maybe could be something that no one thought about. I still gonna read this till the end.

Emotions tend to fuck with your rationality. Like how you should normally know that you shouldn't respond to trolls but d'ooooh you're just so gosh darn mad at what they said that you just have to respond. And it's not until you've finally come down from that emotional high that you realise what an idiot you've been.
Yuzumori's a relatively smart kid, but she's so emotionally attached to Mimika that the destruction of that attachment, even when it's so obvious from an outside perspective, is devastating for her. And Mimika's a dumb lolicon who's paranoid over so many things, mainly crossing a legal boundary, that she's easily manipulated by her emotions.

That's just such a cop out. If you can explain character stupidity with "emotions" then Prometheus would be lauded as a masterpiece. Smart characters acting moronic for convenient drama creation is just cringe inducing. Especially here, these are not split decisions in the heat of the moment. These are thought out conclusions where the characters just completely blanked on recent past events that would have shown them how stupid they are acting.

Mamika had this dumb idea in her head for half a day and she never thought about asking Yuzumori why she didn't hang out with her friends. Worse is that she thinks that just because they broke up that Yuzumori would just go back to hanging out with her friends. Also, why should Yuzumori hang out with her friends over her girlfriend if she doesnt want to? And worse, she lies about why she is breaking up, because telling the truth would have sounded dumb.

Yuzumori accepted the break up initially, which can be understandable, but here we have her crying in the rain because she totally forgot about the girl who threatened her was hanging out with her exgirlfriend right before. Not once did she think about how Ririha might have manipulated Mamika. She has completely forgotten that Ririha was there.

Now with the new raws we have Ririha planning out this whole thing for apparently no reason. She secretly likes Yuzumori but completely forgot about the whole being nice to her to swoop in to take Mamikas place. Turns out she is just being a huge bitch to the girl she like's because reasons. She even takes an extra step by telling Yuzu she is going to ruin her life because that's totally what a mature child would do. This takes place over weeks, she didn't just come up with it on the fly.

If you are going to whisk away shitty writing with something as vague as "selfishness" then that's your own prerogative.

Hi, can you please expound on why do you consider this a "shitty writing"? I'm genuinely curious.

Characters acting out of character, like a smart and mature child all the sudden acting moronic and ignorant. Or invoking tropes in the worst of ways, such as Mamika breaking up over Yuzumori not having friends without actually talking to her about the issue. Or characters getting weirdly specific amnesia and forgetting past events, such as Yuzumori not remembering Ririha confronting her in the bathroom and directly threatening her. Weird that she didn't remember that after Mamika broke up with her after talking with Ririha. You'd think she would be a little curious as to what Ririha told her.

But no, let's just forget all that because typical melodrama beats out an interesting almost-realistic look at a lolicon and her gay relationship.

Okay, I see you but, as Komugi pointed out, it's early to be calling this a "shitty writing".

Being this an on-going story, stating that Yuzumori is acting OOC when we don't know to what degree and in what direction her character will evolve yet, not until we reach the very end of the manga at least, is a discourse that can only be applied to fanfictions, not to original works.
That being said, look at the bigger picture, or the one we know so far. Fourteen chapters in we've assumed this is the story of a teenager dealing with her feelings for her "light of my life, fire of my loins": we get to know Mimika, we get to see what her thoughts are, we catch glimpses of her life with Yuzumori. Then, when Mimika leaves for her school trip, we are left with Yuzumori. The change of pov itself should make us suspicious that this isn't just the story of a girl in love with a younger girl.
We follow Yuzumori for a chapter and, in the same manner we've learned that Mimika has Shiori in her life, we see that somebody else is crossing theirs with Yuzumori's. Ririha is introduced just like that, as somebody who passes by and holds a "grudge" toward our "main character".
Next chapter, we're back on the couple going through their daily life, but we're aware now that somebody else might have their own story to tell. At this point, take a look at our protagonists: they've reached a dead end. They've grown closer (true), Mimika's kinda tamed her urges, Yuzumori looks for physical contact, but none of them is doing anything to start another chapter in their life (Yuzumori doesn't seem to be aware of the nature of her feelings, she just wants to be with Mimika while Mimika's fine with how things are). Basically, what started as a story where us readers' many goal was to see if the two of them would end up together and how they would cope with their age difference has evolved into something different. Once Mimika's feelings are accepted by Yuzumori and that "first step" of their journey is behind them, they just do stuff. There's no real progression. Not until somebody set things in motion again. Ririha does just that (if we focus on Yuzumori and Mimika's relationship). Yet, characters don't only exist in function of main characters: they have their own story to tell too, a purpose. If Ririha was just a flat character, then that would be "bad writing", and it would damage the story more than any trope. Sure, what drives Ririha isn't clear NOW, but it's useless to say that it will, as we will get all the answers we want on Yuzumori's past (for example).

I like having the chance - despite it comes with big frustration - of guessing what's going on with everyone and how the characters' different storylines are connected, but I'd never call it "bad writing" just because something looks "off" in an on-going story.