nakano13 posted:

nakano13 posted:

At this rate, I'd prefer an artist or author set up a Patreon so I can just support them directly rather than relying on this hot mess.

I always wondered why I don't hear of many mangakas using patreon for their projects, is always a website/publisher in between... if the publisher says no then they just give up.
Is it the language barrier? is just not popular there or they need really big amounts?

I do not believe it's the language barrier. At this day and age, most of the countries around the world teaches english at schools. Even in my third world country I have english classes. I imagine that South Korea, being a first world country and a close ally of the United States, will have a high rate of foreign language education.

I bet it's because is not popular over there... or they need really big amounts (I don't know about the last one)

Blacklisting authors... calling them "extremists"... stealing money with the 9% """""late fee"""""... That's fucked up

Translation is out: https://pastebin.com/FkshVsED

Chap 29: http://yawaspi.com/yuzumori/comic/037_001.html

last edited at Jan 17, 2018 7:40AM

Aww

The link for the chapter 27.1 is expired....
But you can still read the translation...

Edit: there is this link for the brazilian version:
https://mangahosts.com/manga/yuzumori-san-mh12565/27

last edited at Dec 21, 2017 1:02PM

So I'm seeing a lot of conflict in here but the newest chapter I can read is c.26. Am I missing something?

Yuzumori 27.1:

RAW - http://yawaspi.com/yuzumori/comic/034_001.html
Translation - https://pastebin.com/dJppc1nU

Yuzumori 27.2:

RAW - http://yawaspi.com/yuzumori/comic/035_001.html
Translation - https://pastebin.com/B2EcsSa3

Yuzumori 28:

RAW - http://yawaspi.com/yuzumori/comic/036_001.html
Translation - https://pastebin.com/0uzLcfKw

Yeah, because only reading nothing but praises is so much more interesting, right? Can't have any actual criticisms, might cause you to look at the series in a different way.

Also, "different way"? This argument about how Yuzumori is "shit writing" is lasting an eternity...

Yeah, because only reading nothing but praises is so much more interesting, right? Can't have any actual criticisms, might cause you to look at the series in a different way.

Only praises? I just complained about Ririha not being punished... And now that I think about it, she got what she wanted... A praise from Yuzumori...

Soooo, the most exciting kind?

At first, it was a really exciting match of ping pong... but then, the match lasted for days and no one scored yet... and now it become pretty damn boring... So you know what? You won! We're all retarded for liking this piece of shit. The author should drink bleach and kill herself for her sins for the mankind. Congrats!

This discussion is looking like a ping pong match where neither side lets the ball pass. Lets just wait for this "polemic" arc to pass and see where this story will take us. It will take another chapter or two, I hope.

Edit: Damn it! I wasted my 100th comment! What a pity!
I intended to make a stupid joke about it.
Gonna save it for my 200th comment.

last edited at Dec 20, 2017 1:10PM

Found this:

Awkwarddddddddd...........

Hmmmm

Don't tell me this story gonna end just like that... There has to be another chapter!

I could even go further and say that what you just told right there shows that it is actually good writing. How could a 10yo consent or be ready for relationship with a 16yo? I always thought that Mimika being self-aware of the moral conundrums of being in love with a 10yo or asking herself if she is actually a lolicon/pedophile (not a child molester, mind you) was interesting and pretty nice.

I really like this fact. Mimika reflecting about her unusual situation.

But about the "not a child molester"... Mimika got really tempted about Yuzumori... Especially in chapters 4 and 5. She even had to left the room to take a breath at some point. But of course, she is not an idiot, she can tell what is right and what is wrong and she can control herself.

I'm not sure if I'm making myself clear here, but what I'm trying to say is that the author is not telling anything, she's always showing what's going on in the lives of the characters, whether is two of them sitting on a bench (why nobody complained when Shiori "told" Yuzumori how hers and Mimika's friendship was like back when they were little?), whether is one of them telling her own past and how she feels about it (why would Ejima use a flashback now?). Ejima is always showing, and nowhere is written that characters can't tell stories.

I understand what you're saying, characters can tell stories as well. When Ririha told Yuzumori about the past, it did not seem forced. It was adequate in the plot.

And "Show, don't tell" is just a rule. Whilst rules must be known, they need to be declined to each case, and this case doesn't require a showing of Yuzumori and Ririha's past together.

About the "show, don't tell" rule... I think there is some good exceptions to this rule... For instance, the movie Halloween 1978 (weird choice but I pick it anyway), there is this speech by Dr. Loomis about Michael Myers:

"I met him, fifteen years ago. I was told there was nothing left; no reason, no conscience, no understanding; and even the most rudimentary sense of life or death, of good or evil, right or wrong. I met this six-year-old child with this blank, pale, emotionless face, and the blackest eyes... the devil's eyes. I spent eight years trying to reach him, and then another seven trying to keep him locked up because I realized that what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply... evil."

(this speech is without a flashback btw)

Michael Myers didn't fully appeared in the screen at the beginning of the movie, the mistery of how this phyco is, and what he can do, is what build up the tension and the atmosphere of the movie. And this speech only reinforces the tention.

Why I said all that? I just think that the "show, don't tell" rule isn't a horrible sin that everyone says to be. It's just my opinion, don't hurt me, I'm a good girl.

Is this rule good in Yuzumori-san? Well... What would be the mystery of why Ririha does what she does if we already know what it is?

But, in my opinion, Yuzumori-san is not "bad writing" (this is subjective).

I don't know how subjective it actually us. Characters are just acting out without reason. Ririha is just spilling everything with literally no trigger for it. And now Yuzumori's forgiveness of her is completely unsubstantial since we have not seen them being friends at any point. There is no show here, only tell. The characters are telling a story within the story that we have no connection to as an audience and we are expected to accept it all. If anything, it's boring and pointless. We don't learn anything new and there is no character progression in the end.

Ririha really got away with it easily... But I think Yuzumori got really happy to know that Mimika didn't really meant that... and didn't bother to properly deal with Ririha...

And now it's a love triangle... which means that not only Ririha will stick around but she also gonna be a pain in the ass to Mimika...

And I have to desagree with the quote: "the translations of yuri series have gotten thinner" because pretty much every day has new releases here in Dynasty. And there is even some chapters that didn't came out here yet but is already out in others sites (Kobayashi-san Chi no Maid Dragon)

Most are fan doujins of other series or one shots. There are less actual series than there used to be. And even Kobayashi-san hasn't released anything in english since early October.

I have fun with all those doujins and one-shots, so this didn't really bothers me... Now, about the series... Welp, at least that new series about rap is pretty cute, right...?

last edited at Dec 18, 2017 12:02PM

New Raws came out quickly http://yawaspi.com/yuzumori/comic/036_001.html Ririha is pretty much KO and now the final boss

Same goes with the translation: https://pastebin.com/0uzLcfKw

Loved the art!
Really good of their part
Now I gonna barf.
Like a really loud kart!

I would give it up if there was anything else coming out, but from the looks of it the translations of yuri series have gotten thinner as of recent so I have to make due with what I can get and what I'm getting is garbage that I feel needs to be called out.

It's bad writing, plain and simple. There is no subtleness between chapters, characters are making rash decisions based on the smallest suggestions. There is no build up to what is happening, everything is done purely to pad out the series with pointless drama. Even if Mimika and Yuzumori reconcile and get back together what do they get out of it? How does this breakup over a jealous girl's lies progress their relationship? It doesn't, if they make up they are back to square one. It will be several chapters of pointless garbage that does nothing to flesh out the characters.

Sorry that I'm making my disappointment with this series public.

I can sorta understand your disappointment... I also had a mental breakdown when Nanashi no Asterism didn't ended the way I wanted (Grrrr I'm still mad about it)... aham..

But, in my opinion, Yuzumori-san is not "bad writing" (this is subjective). And I have to desagree with the quote: "the translations of yuri series have gotten thinner" because pretty much every day has new releases here in Dynasty. And there is even some chapters that didn't came out here yet but is already out in others sites (Kobayashi-san Chi no Maid Dragon)

last edited at Dec 15, 2017 1:59PM

For whatever reason people seem to really struggle to differentiate between criticism and insults. Especially towards a character or person they like.

You're right, that's pretty much it...

Just finished the anime after reading the manga. Good translation helps in understanding this. Thank you. I will not go into detail but just capsulized. Haru represents love and the good things that comes with it - happiness, joy, freedom, trust, determination and the sheer power of charisma. But it has also its downside, to which Hanabusa represents - manipulative, selfish and controlling. A queen bee gives life to the colony. A weak queen means the death of a colony. ( can I just leave the details to whoever is interested on this?) Moving on, the students in black class is humanity. Each has a capacity to kill "love" if we give in to our darker side, thus, an assassin. Each has its own reason/s.

The story is pretty stupid for me because I don't know what Haru, the assassins, administrator Yuri, the two professors and as such represents. But when I ironed this out, it redeems the shallowness of the plot by the heaviness of the underlying story (a riddle story on love told by the devil). The devil is the dark, sad, cruel, unfair, abused stories of each assassin. Noteworthy is Chitaru and Hitsugi. They didn't kill Haru but themselves... They didn't kill the love but they didn't also pursue it. So, what's the point of living? The dying only signify that the "old them" must die to give way to a "new them" that pursue and fight for love. Since, the story is heavily-ladened with metaphor, almost all characters represent something.

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I spoiler tagged my interpretation. Others may read the story and doesn't like pre-hand opinion. :)

When you put in that way, their survival makes sense... The "old them" died and the "new them" was born to pursue and fight for love... It makes sense... But... I think the gap between their "death" and the revelation of their survival was so big that I was not able to make that connection (+ my methaforical mind set turned off)

I couldn't watch Akuma no Riddle in the same way I watched, for instance, Yuri Kuma Arashi, where I could make lots of that kind of connections.

Can this be considered sort a like Manzai? Which the senpai would be the "boke" and Tsukioka would be the "tsukkomi"? Tsukioka is just pointing out the mistakes of senpai. It's better to hear the truth than to hear false sympathy. I can not really see that as insults... Insult is more like: "You stupid idiot! Just piss off already! No one wants you around!"

komugi posted:

Well, that crisis was resolved quickly.

Still not knowing where this manga wants to go.

Resolved? Where? She didn't explain her motives yet.

Well, the "misunderstanding" between Kaede and Mimika is lifted. So it's just a matter of a lot of explaining and reconciliation and yadda, yadda, yadda...

I don't think the author is going to insist on the Ririha/Kaede feud. They will probably all start to hang out at Mimika's place in a sort of truce. Happy End.

You're probably right... Ririha will probably stick around...

Still... I'm... I'm... I'M NOT HAPPY! Ririha deserves at a least some kind of punishment!
She kicked Shi-chan! She has gone TOO FAR!

But they didn't die. They were fine at the end
(SPOILERS)

But they did since the death is a symbolism. And I have an idea why the author did it. I am now in chap. 22 and within these chapters, other assassins only failed but survived. Chitaru has no reason to kill Haru, right?So, why?... I will continue reading to find out if my reason/s is/are correct and validate my hypotheses on this story. Heads up, I won't be commenting in here until I'd finished reading. :)

Oh, got it! I gonna wait for your conclusions =)

@komugi
I'm still at chapter 5. Long way to go for me. :) But thank you for the heads up. I am not reading this literally. For if I will, the plot itself is pretty stupid for me. However, I do not. It is obvious for me that everything is a metaphor as indicated by the "fill-in-the-blank or finish-the-sentence" game. Forgiveness, hatred, hurt, anger, revenge, cruelness,injustice and analogous terms interplay in this story. Each character has a story to tell and how forgiveness is vital in the healing process.

At first I watched Akuma no Riddle waiting for an action yuri. I didn't had a mind set for metaphorical stuff. I waited for a breathtaken action and intrigue with yuri on the mix. I waited for real deaths in this assassins history. I didn't received all that, but I didn't hated what I got either.

You talked about the two girls who died. I guess I had an idea why the author let them die. :) But anyway, I will continue to read this.

But they didn't die. They were fine at the end (SPOILERS)

komugi
I found myself agreeing with some of your criticisms of the series. I actually agree 100% with the fact that the lack of deaths was pretty disappointing, I think that if Chitaru and Hitsugi really did stay dead then the series would've been a lot better.

Yeah, their death was touching, but when we found out later that they are still alive... It made all my feelings about it fade away...

But I'm going to have to completely disagree on the characters. Imo, the series's greatest strength is the characters. I found myself liking them more and more as I read the series. Yeah, they aren't the most well developed characters in all of manga, But I'd say their interactions and how well they play off each other are when they really shine.

For some of the characters I focused more on their attempt to kill Haru, because that's what drew me to Akuma no Riddle. That synopsis was worthy of an action movie.

But you totally right about the interactions between the characters. For instance, I said that Banba got her ass kicked by Haru (And she really got it). But I loved her interaction with Sumireko. Surimeko is a rich girl that has her own fancy school desk, but I think she really cares about Mahiru, even when Mahiru turns into Shinya, Surimeko invited her for a delightful tea. And I like how Shinya is not just a crazy edgy girl, you still can have a normal conversation with her just like that tea scene.

Some of the others girls have cool interactions with each other.

After that, I think I have lolicon cancer as well ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)