Some people here get so angry whenever you say anything slightly negative about a male character they start being misogynistic... and go back to the belief every woman is going to or can have a child, because of a fictional man.

wtf are you talking about with this "child" business?

A fictional man who did in fact force himself on a fictional woman, and all the poster did was point out something the text itself made clear was him forcing himself on her and her not enjoying it

He in fact did not force himself on her. But Yarai did. Readers just want to excuse it because she's a cute girl in a yuri work and Ritsu ended up liking it, so Yarai gets away with it.

I was hoping the guy would not act like a jackass, but him acting this understanding was a neat surprise.

Some people here get so angry whenever you say anything slightly negative about a male character they start being misogynistic... and go back to the belief every woman is going to or can have a child, because of a fictional man.

wtf are you talking about with this "child" business?

Read the post above mine where it says "hope you'll have a son".

He in fact did not force himself on her. But Yarai did. Readers just want to excuse it because she's a cute girl in a yuri work and Ritsu ended up liking it, so Yarai gets away with it.

Except he did by forcefully dragging her with him, and notice how I didn't call him evil or anything, because that's a fictional teen being awkward and not really understanding how to go about it and then forcing himself on her as a result, and also continuing with her despite noticing she had no interest. It's in the work itself. Both were awkward about it and it's where Ritsu's whole trouble came from! Because they're awkward and unsure of how to deal with things!
I also don't see anyone "excusing Yarai", the readers can recognize she was forcing herself on Ritsu (which was the set up of their relationship, so what do you gain from mentioning that like it somehow contradicts what people said about the guy...?), but the difference is that this is a yuri work, meaning it is focusing on the relationship between girls, and not everything needs to be healthy or consensual in fiction. Isn't the whole appeal in it exactly how she was forceful and insistent about it, and Ritsu ended up liking it because it was her? Because she's gay...? That plays a very big part in the character's reaction and it's not just "you're only excusing it because she's a girl!". Who is denying she was being forceful?

People can point out those things without it being because of a fantastical reason like "misandry", and a girl not liking a fictional man and calling him mean things isn't the end of the world.

This is a "I like it when a girl is forceful on me and a little crazy about me" manga and him being forceful is part of it to show she liked it when it was a girl...
I find this whole "but the girl is doing it too" so boring.

OTOH none of this changes that she wasn't really into him and she's fallen hard for Yarai. Only thing she could have done better was let him know earlier.

That's kind of crazy. Yeah she could have not cheated. Still happy for her and all but that's not a little thing. It's alright to say she did something wrong. Anyway, fun chapter. Loved their discussion. This series was always too silly to expect anything serious from this talk, so I'm not surprised it went this way.

Shouya: slowly goes in for a kiss with his girlfriend. No explicit consent, but it's signalled and she's aware.

Yarai: goes in for a kiss with a girl she barely knows. Ritsu is totally surprised, and verbally outraged. Then Yarai goes in again for French this time, despite Ritsu's protests.

Yarai is cute though. You're not factoring that into your calculations and that's why you fail to see the light.

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A fictional man who did in fact force himself on a fictional woman, and all the poster did was point out something the text itself made clear was him forcing himself on her and her not enjoying it

He in fact did not force himself on her. But Yarai did. Readers just want to excuse it because she's a cute girl in a yuri work and Ritsu ended up liking it, so Yarai gets away with it.

It’s a cute simple lighthearted manga, theres no need for this for either the dude or yarai. Taking their actions this severely is like being up in arms about SpongeBob encouraging workplace abuse because of the krusty krab. It’s not a manga that takes things that seriously so what’s the point in trying to spin it that way.

Anyways I’m glad the guy was chill and hope theres more cute couple moments

people here are more offended than the guy

people here are more offended than the guy

Always have been, in fact.

This chapter does level the character up from “clueless non-entity” to “surprisingly thoughtful almost-entity,” though.

... Maybe that refusal of a kiss and distance cooled his head a bit?
Anyway, that went better than I thought. Cool, cool.

my boy shouyas got a good head on his shoulders

Well, we may not have gotten the hoped-for Double Gay outcome but it was still more chill than expected.

Oh hey pleasant surprise

I don't hate it but what's the point of this guy being in the story at all :P

A decent guy in my yuri is fine, too. I wasn't expecting that.

I don't hate it but what's the point of this guy being in the story at all :P

I have been wondering that all along. Has the fact that the MC has been notionally “cheating” substantially affected the story at all except for the initial “try kissing a girl” premise? I really can’t recall.

I have been wondering that all along. Has the fact that the MC has been notionally “cheating” substantially affected the story at all except for the initial “try kissing a girl” premise? I really can’t recall.

I mean it was probably just the case that the author wrote him back into the story to maybe bring drama into it again, but decided against it and this chapter is just to get that plot point out of the way. Or maybe he will have some supporting role later and this was setup for that

if you call that assault then Yarai sure also did that.. multiple times. whats your point? misandry? hope you'll have a son

Yarai never dragged Ritsu around by the wrist where she explicitly tells her it hurts but she just doesn't gaf or apologize because she needs that kiss. That's because Yarai is cool and based.

Even on the first page I'm explicitly clear that the forceful dragging to get the kiss was what bothered me, not just him trying to kiss her. If all he did was lean in and say "hey can we kiss" to Ritsu and going for it without a verbal answer, then sure that's being awkward, except that's not what happened. Sorry, but guys even inadvertently using force to dictate a scenario hits a little too close to reality for me even if this story is supposed to be lighthearted.

I'm totally ok with being a misandrist mean bitch though if that counts as being a misandrist mean bitch. If I have a son I hope he doesn't grab women and start pulling them somewhere without an explanation of where he's taking them. I'll disown his fucking ass I stg.

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What I hate most about this argument is that in the process to explain why the girl's actions are “different” from the boy's, people turn the fetish/kink into something boring, into nothing despite being the appeal of the story.
Yarai forced herself on Ritsu, that’s why it’s hot lol

This same discussion happens every time there is agep-gap teacher x student het vs age-gap teacher x student yuri, accepting that you like one because is yuri and hate the other because is het is much more honest and cooler than repeating this discussion forever.

So annoying how even in Dynasty they forgive men too easily.

What I hate most about this argument is that in the process to explain why the girl's actions are “different” from the boy's, people turn the fetish/kink into something boring, into nothing despite being the appeal of the story.
Yarai forced herself on Ritsu, that’s why it’s hot lol

This same discussion happens every time there is agep-gap teacher x student het vs age-gap teacher x student yuri, accepting that you like one because is yuri and hate the other because is het is much more honest and cooler than repeating this discussion forever.

Look, if you check my comment history, you'll see I have absolutely no problem with women carving each other up and oneeloli and I recognize it's totally "muh toxic" or "muh problematic" and whatever because toxicity and mental illness is hot. Moreover, I'm perfectly happy acknowledging moments where I apply a double standard. But this isn't one of them.

It's not the forced kiss/attempt at the forced kiss that bothered me here and tbh, I wouldn't even bother explaining myself and just shitpost like I did originally about hoping he'd be a victim, if people didn't start throwing imaginary concepts like misandry around because of that, so I feel compelled to explain myself because apparently people only read the last two words when I said "dragging her forcefully somewhere to kiss her."

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Yeah, they've done something similar to me before on the forum when I called a fictional guy who was written to be an asshole... an asshole (same accusation of "misandry" and implying I'm insane lol) on another work, you're simply not allowed to be mean to fictional men if they act a little nice, but they sure want you to think about the woman who acts in questionable manners even though that's the whole appeal... a woman who acts in a questionable manner. "But what about the girl doing it too? Why is nobody talking about The Appeal and declaring they don't condone the character's actions!" Every Time. It's tiring.

It's in the Title. A Yuri Story About How My Classmate Whose Only Good Trait Is Her Excessively Pretty Face Comes At Me Relentlessly and that's what people are here to see and enjoy seeing.

Good boy.

What I hate most about this argument is that in the process to explain why the girl's actions are “different” from the boy's, people turn the fetish/kink into something boring, into nothing despite being the appeal of the story.
Yarai forced herself on Ritsu, that’s why it’s hot lol

This same discussion happens every time there is agep-gap teacher x student het vs age-gap teacher x student yuri, accepting that you like one because is yuri and hate the other because is het is much more honest and cooler than repeating this discussion forever.

Look, if you check my comment history, you'll see I have absolutely no problem with women carving each other up and oneeloli and I recognize it's totally "muh toxic" or "muh problematic" and whatever because toxicity and mental illness is hot. Moreover, I'm perfectly happy acknowledging moments where I apply a double standard. But this isn't one of them.

It's not the forced kiss/attempt at the forced kiss that bothered me here and tbh, I wouldn't even bother explaining myself and just shitpost like I did originally about hoping he'd be a victim, if people didn't start throwing imaginary concepts like misandry around because of that, so I feel compelled to explain myself because apparently people only read the last two words when I said "dragging her forcefully somewhere to kiss her."

My response was not for you, but the whole argument. I only use my phone and didn’t know you could see comment history, either way I don’t care and don’t need to know. I am talking about the comments about this specific story.
Dragging someone to steal a kiss and forcing a kiss on someone are no different, I understand that you have bad memories from real life, but objectively they are both bad on the same level lol. My point is that it is very fun and pointless to argue that one is worse than the other when they are both equally bad BUT for obvious reasons you like one and not the other and that is ok, that is the point, the same situations happened in the first chapter to show Yarai’s different reactions.

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they are not objectively the same when one caused physical pain and the other didn't

like, that goes against the very idea of something "objectively" being the same

i am very smart

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Can we not have an argument in the forums for five minutes?

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they are not objectively the same when one caused physical pain and the other didn't

like, that goes against the very idea of something "objectively" being the same

i am very smart

I didn’t say both are the same, I said both are objectively bad on the same level. One physical the other sexual. We differ on the balance of which one we consider a greater offender than the other. I personally don’t think one is worse than the other (in this specific case) and you on the other hand think one is worse than the other, that is ok, no need to be sarcastic. I don't care enough about this tbh, and don’t want to drag it either. I will leave it at that.