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.....I'm not crying.
sniffle
..........I said I'm not crying, okay!?
What a beautiful fookin' chapter. Though reading it while listening to David Bowie has definitely been one of the weirder things in my life. In the best way possible of course.
//happy but scream but smile but also cry
The best manga ever.
Here's hoping we get a Bloom into You+ lol
Absolute no need for that
Absolutely we need that??? I am so tired of every story ending after highschool. Do the writers not comprehend that there is a life beyond that?
Yuu is top as predicted. But I didn't think she would be a BITER. Take it easy on that luscious skin Yuu.
I honestly am even more delighted about Yuu being a biter than her being a top ^^ (Since I am very delighted and grinning from ear to ear for the latter, one may imagine my bliss over the first :P )
...ah, so Yuu's dreams came true~
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/bloom_into_you_ch42#26
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/bloom_into_you_ch44#27
(Yuu saying "There are so many things I wanna do with you - I want everything" shall clearify that her previous fantasy was... well, far from innocent - in case anyone else remembers that having been point of discussion in this forum.)
Being a biter is certainly unexpected, but not bad.
Not really the same thing, but I guess kinda related?
The point about her innocence I made at least was about her asking Touko to stay over at her place, for the reasons I already listed back then. Many people blew it out of proprotion like she asked to have sex, but that was not what that moment was about. She considered even that simple request a big deal and was embarrassed, but some people saw that as her being embarassed for wanting to ask for sex (which is totally ridiculous). Again, I point to the fact that she couldn't have known Touko's parents would not be home.
I also said back then that once they are alone at Touko's place, things will be very different, because in that situation who in their right mind would not think of those things? lol
Well, either way I liked the detail there, with the neck-touch.
Here's hoping we get a Bloom into You+ lol
YagaKimi is like the polar opposite of that other series
...Bloom Into You- then?
The point about her innocence I made at least was about her asking Touko to stay over at her place, for the reasons I already listed back then. Many people blew it out of proprotion like she asked to have sex, but that was not what that moment was about. She considered even that simple request a big deal and was embarrassed, but some people saw that as her being embarassed for wanting to ask for sex (which is totally ridiculous). Again, I point to the fact that she couldn't have known Touko's parents would not be home.
I also said back then that once they are alone at Touko's place, things will be very different, because in that situation who in their right mind would not think of those things? lol
You're still keeping that up? Come on, you where proven wrong, just admit it and move on, it's not that big a deal.
You're still keeping that up? Come on, you where proven wrong, just admit it and move on, it's not that big a deal.
...what? @KueKyuuQ was the one who brought it up again tho?
Please, by all means, prove me wrong. I want to hear your reasoning as to why Yuu was totally asking for sex in that scene and that makes perfect sense. And no... them having sex in this chapter is not proof for that.
You're still keeping that up? Come on, you where proven wrong, just admit it and move on, it's not that big a deal.
...what? @KueKyuuQ was the one who brought it up again tho?
Please, by all means, prove me wrong. I want to hear your reasoning as to why Yuu was totally asking for sex in that scene and that makes perfect sense. And no... them having sex in this chapter is not proof for that.
... Fair...
._. I regret it already. But... It was the neck-touch she dreamed about and... it's cool she got to realize that... ;_;
._. I regret it already. But... It was the neck-touch she dreamed about and... it's cool she got to realize that... ;_;
Welp, sorry for misunderstanding then.
i can die peacefully now
Oh, no, just one chapter before the end...
Here's hoping we get a Bloom into You+ lol
Absolute no need for that
Absolutely we need that??? I am so tired of every story ending after highschool. Do the writers not comprehend that there is a life beyond that?
I'm sure the author isnt that oblivious. Problem is, I suspect a life after high school story may not be all too appealing for the general audience, mostly made up of young folks who probably wouldnt be able to relate themselves to problems an adult faces in their daily lives. I hope I am wrong about that and theres enough interest for a sequel where Yuu and Touko deal with adulthood.
I somehow can't believe that the majority of people who read stories like Bloom Into You are in high school. Mostly because they need to have $ to buy the manga, and in that case won't parents check what they are reading and also limit how much they can buy? Maybe my parents were too strict...
My bet is that the majority of readers are in their 20s, and there is a huge latent demand for more relatable stories. Which is currently being (badly) fulfilled by manhwas, which are usually about adult life.
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The other possibility, of course, is that Japanese adult life sucks so bad that no one wants to read about it.
I somehow can't believe that the majority of people who read stories like Bloom Into You are in high school. Mostly because they need to have $ to buy the manga, and in that case won't parents check what they are reading and also limit how much they can buy? Maybe my parents were too strict...
My bet is that the majority of readers are in their 20s, and there is a huge latent demand for more relatable stories. Which is currently being (badly) fulfilled by manhwas, which are usually about adult life.
These kind of manga most definitely have their main fanbase in teens. Middle to high-school being the biggest group.
You are acting like a monthly magazine or occasional manga volume cost much.
I don't even get your second point about parents limiting how much you can buy... typically the money is the child's to spend. Unless it's harmful, parents usually don't intervene with purchases.
Now whether you think that many parents are homophobes and would be against buying yuri manga is a different matter of course, but in Japan they treat fiction as fiction, even if it's not fiction in reality. :P
Comic Dengeki Daioh is 730 yen if you buy the magazine from a convenience store. If you get a monthly subscription it's cheaper. That's not that much money to spend once a month.
The other possibility, of course, is that Japanese adult life sucks so bad that no one wants to read about it.
It sucks so bad that no one wants to read about it. It's the main reason 89% of manga is set in idealized high school.
The other possibility, of course, is that Japanese adult life sucks so bad that no one wants to read about it.
The word ‘Japanese’ is superfluous in the discussion.
The other possibility, of course, is that Japanese adult life sucks so bad that no one wants to read about it.
The word ‘Japanese’ is superfluous in the discussion.
Except it isn't.
Yuu is the most not useless lesbian i have seen in a yuri manga
10/10. Couldn't agree more.
The other possibility, of course, is that Japanese adult life sucks so bad that no one wants to read about it.
...whether the first may be the case or not, the second isn't necessarily true.
There are to my knowledge plenty series that follow adult life and for example center around plain old work, akin to the sports centered school stories.
But they don't get that much public attention, certainly not overseas. It's much harder to market those stories or produce merch for them. And maybe we don't want to read about them.
In that regard, yuri itself is still more of a niche genre, despite having such a loyal fellowship and community that has it available overseas (fantranslations, and official publications increasing the past few years) as well. It's arguably gaining popularity, both in Japan as well as overseas, tho.
Now, the main trend might still be escapism. While that can be achieved following a fictional story of realistic situations, fantasy and science fiction for now still holds the torch (while there's a declining trend and it may soon pass it on again). These trends are subject to various social and cultural as well as political (in the widest sense) influences and will with due time change again. With globalisation there may be minority trends that can gain a lot of focus in their respective audiences for a while, much more and quicker than in the past.
Additionally, whatever we percieve as "target audience" from a "western" point of view, may not be congruent with its definition in Japan...
So, it's hard to tell, probably within Japan itself, which kind of stories exactly are currently in demand. Even if there are a few outliners that gain traction, that would not necessarily mean a new trend was forming (to stay).
For now, I would be happy if Bloom Into You would follow in the footsteps of Kase-san, by closing this chapter / arc and organically opening the next one.
But Nakatani may want to try out something entirely new or explore different characters and settings - I wouldn't blame her. If that's to be achieved by a spin-off, a break, exploring different aspects of these characters and their evolving circumstances or plain ending this story and moving to a new project on for good, remains to be seen...
Do we even have an official statement from her?
But Nakatani may want to try out something entirely new or explore different characters and settings - I wouldn't blame her. If that's to be achieved by a spin-off, a break, exploring different aspects of these characters and their evolving circumstances or plain ending this story and moving to a new project on for good, remains to be seen...
Do we even have an official statement from her?
Based on some interviews, I'd say Nakatani plans on moving on from YagaKimi once it's over. When asked what she wants to do next in this interview from 2017, she says she wants to try out fantasy since she thinks she's already doing what she wants to do with yuri in YagaKimi for now. Then in the most recent interview with Kusunoki (her editor) and Iruma (AdaShima author & Sayaka's LN writer), Nakatani says that Sayaka ends up being the character with the longest story in YagaKimi thanks to the LN spinoff which will be covering her time in college in the 3rd vol.
Edit: In that last interview, she also says that the point of the final volume is not to simply show Touko and Yuu dating, but to reassure readers that those two will be okay (as individuals and as a couple) and hopefully give readers a sense that "[they've] seen everything that needs to seen."
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Do we even have an official statement from her?
Based on some interviews, I'd say Nakatani plans on moving on from YagaKimi once it's over. When asked what she wants to do next in this interview from 2017, she says she wants to try out fantasy since she thinks she's already doing what she wants to do with yuri in YagaKimi for now. Then in the most recent interview with Kusunoki (her editor) and Iruma (AdaShima author & Sayaka's LN writer), Nakatani says that Sayaka ends up being the character with the longest story in YagaKimi thanks to the LN spinoff which will be covering her time in college in the 3rd vol.
Fantasy and Yuri are not mutually exlcusive and Nakatani-sensei knows it. She can pretend that she isn't usually a yuri writer all she wants, but her stories almost exclusively revovle around the relationships between girls one way or another.
When she says fantasy I think of her Touhou stuff. She does love those weird concepts that twist relationships.
Either way, I'm sure she will do more yuri in the future, whether she calls it that or not.
Maybe an unpopular opinion but personally I want to see more stories that are yuri first and anything/everything else >else. Sadly most non-h Canon (so not just subtext) yuri series don't get much good yuri porn (and the less said about >the hetshit, the better). It's a niche of a niche of a niche.
Honestly being Yuri is just another attribute/subgenre to me. It doesn't enhance or diminish the value of the story for me, but can make for a very interesting plot element. Bloom into You, to me, is a masterwork romance story that happens to be Yuri. Sure, were it not, it would have played out differently in many regards, but I think I could have enjoyed such a story just the same if it was told as well.
Good hentai is hard to come by, indeed. An American researcher recently put the biggest issue I have with (especially modern) porn in really nice words: (roughly) "The issue with internet pornography is the framing of everyday sexual acts as the humiliation of the female, making her nothing more than a tool for his sexual gratification." I think this issue is slightly less severe in Yuri porn, but the humiliation/devaluation aspect is still overly present.
Rule 34 has no exceptions but it doesn't say anything about the volume or quality of the porn. There will always be one >but there's no guarantee that there will be a hundred, or that they will be any good. Of course, you can argue with yuri >it's the emotional aspect of the relationship that's most important, not the sexual aspect.
I think I've seen, like, two hentai doujin for YagaKimi, and at least one of which, a reinterpretation of the locker room scene, was actually not all that bad. Not the most in-character doujin I've seen, that title goes to a relatively recent Black Lagoon doujin, but quite decent at least.
I think there's not much more to explore for Touko/Yuu.
Yeah, because a relationship really doesn't have any development worth mentioning beyond having sex for the first time... /s
Seriously, could authors please look beyond the first milestones? Far too often the characters only get to hold hands, or at best kiss at the end of the story. Almost never do we get to witness their joined life, which is a huge deal, believe it or not, and filled with smaller and larger conflicts, hardships and challenges.
Sure, we've seen a lot more of relationship development in Bloom into You compared to what we normally see, but their story is actually far from over. At least judging from my experience, being in a single, stable relationship for almost twelve years.
The point about her innocence I made at least was about her asking Touko to stay over at her place, for the reasons I >already listed back then. Many people blew it out of proprotion like she asked to have sex, but that was not what that >moment was about. She considered even that simple request a big deal and was embarrassed, but some people saw >that as her being embarassed for wanting to ask for sex (which is totally ridiculous). Again, I point to the fact that she >couldn't have known Touko's parents would not be home.
I'll be another one to bite and say: While everyone is entitled to interpret a literary work for themselves, I consider the circumstantial evidence sufficient to say that Yuu was very much thinking about sex or at least heavy petting and making out when asking for the sleepover. Partly because they had gone on dates before, made out before and had also been physically intimate, despite the circumstances being very different. (Locker room scene and chapter 22 https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/bloom_into_you_ch16#27 https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/bloom_into_you_ch22#27 )
Again: you're not wrong, just as no one is right in their interpretation. Some people consider the evidence towards conclusion A more convincing, others end up assuming B. There is no truth in literary interpretation, not even the author can decide your headcanon.
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