I'm enjoying the story.

Just an FYI for people who are considering whether to drop this based on the current chapter's events: While I still like this series, it repeatedly touches on sensitive/complex topics from here out, some of which probably deserve content warnings of their own. I'm sure the related chapters will get appropriate tags when they appear here and I don't want to spoil any details, but if you're hoping the series will return to being fluffy you should know that it will continue taking swings like this.

incest
het incest

Hope it end bad for the sibbling, Lene should be safe thought

I kinda don't like this whole rebellion thing being caused by some random third party and not, y'know, an organic result of a genuine class conscious taking form.

don't look up what happened in russia from 1917 to 1922

Ofercrissakes, like the Russian revolution was the only example of class struggle in history. Here's a clue: Unless you're very very rich, nearly every good thing you have, you have because of successful class struggle. Less than a 12 hour day? Class struggle. The weekend? Class struggle. Wages good enough to let you afford whatever you're using to post stuff on the interwebs? Class struggle. The vote? Class struggle. Look up the history of trade unions, or the Chartist movement, sometime.
Of course a lot of the good stuff class struggle got us has been getting taken away lately . . . because of class warfare from the other direction.

I think they were referring to the "third party component" coming into play because a large part of the October Revolution actually happening was due to the Germany's assistance in getting Lenin (and a whole other bunch of other socialist revolutionaries) back into Russia earlier that year (of 1917) after his exile from Russia since the end of the 19th century. Germany doing this in an attempt to destabilise the already falling apart Romanov Dynasty (which it did) and have a new government sign to a more favourable peace treaty to end hostilities (which happens in the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk). Details might be a little suspect as this was what I recalled from a unit from Mod History in high school and a couple extra supplementary details/checks with the good old google. Just an interesting tidbit of one of the biggest turning points for history in the 20th century.

Or this went completely over my head and they're just referring to the Bolsheviks as the third party and separate to the actual working classes/peasants, with them mostly instigating everything up to the end of the Russian Civil War since the above commenter mentioned the period of 1917 - 1922.

Besides history, it's interesting to see quite a few people saying they're dropping this due to the direction change from slice-of-life to a more politically driven/drama plot. Obviously people read what they want to read, but personally, even though I like slice-of-life a lot as a genre, many of those fall into stagnation and end up sort of melding with each other in my memory as I struggle to differentiate between them due to usage of common events. Of course, all genres have their tropes which they use but slice-of-life tends to be the most narrow in scope and hence repetitive. So for me, this change of direction is quite refreshing and has piqued my interest towards this series much more than before (even though I knew it would go into that direction at some point, although not this early honestly).

I kinda don't like this whole rebellion thing being caused by some random third party and not, y'know, an organic result of a genuine class conscious taking form.

don't look up what happened in russia from 1917 to 1922

Ofercrissakes, like the Russian revolution was the only example of class struggle in history. Here's a clue: Unless you're very very rich, nearly every good thing you have, you have because of successful class struggle. Less than a 12 hour day? Class struggle. The weekend? Class struggle. Wages good enough to let you afford whatever you're using to post stuff on the interwebs? Class struggle. The vote? Class struggle. Look up the history of trade unions, or the Chartist movement, sometime.
Of course a lot of the good stuff class struggle got us has been getting taken away lately . . . because of class warfare from the other direction.

what

I kinda don't like this whole rebellion thing being caused by some random third party and not, y'know, an organic result of a genuine class conscious taking form.

don't look up what happened in russia from 1917 to 1922

Ofercrissakes, like the Russian revolution was the only example of class struggle in history. Here's a clue: Unless you're very very rich, nearly every good thing you have, you have because of successful class struggle. Less than a 12 hour day? Class struggle. The weekend? Class struggle. Wages good enough to let you afford whatever you're using to post stuff on the interwebs? Class struggle. The vote? Class struggle. Look up the history of trade unions, or the Chartist movement, sometime.
Of course a lot of the good stuff class struggle got us has been getting taken away lately . . . because of class warfare from the other direction.

I think they were referring to the "third party component" coming into play because a large part of the October Revolution actually happening was due to the Germany's assistance in getting Lenin (and a whole other bunch of other socialist revolutionaries) back into Russia earlier that year (of 1917) after his exile from Russia since the end of the 19th century. Germany doing this in an attempt to destabilise the already falling apart Romanov Dynasty (which it did) and have a new government sign to a more favourable peace treaty to end hostilities (which happens in the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk). Details might be a little suspect as this was what I recalled from a unit from Mod History in high school and a couple extra supplementary details/checks with the good old google. Just an interesting tidbit of one of the biggest turning points for history in the 20th century.

Or this went completely over my head and they're just referring to the Bolsheviks as the third party and separate to the actual working classes/peasants, with them mostly instigating everything up to the end of the Russian Civil War since the above commenter mentioned the period of 1917 - 1922.

Besides history, it's interesting to see quite a few people saying they're dropping this due to the direction change from slice-of-life to a more politically driven/drama plot. Obviously people read what they want to read, but personally, even though I like slice-of-life a lot as a genre, many of those fall into stagnation and end up sort of melding with each other in my memory as I struggle to differentiate between them due to usage of common events. Of course, all genres have their tropes which they use but slice-of-life tends to be the most narrow in scope and hence repetitive. So for me, this change of direction is quite refreshing and has piqued my interest towards this series much more than before (even though I knew it would go into that direction at some point, although not this early honestly).

to be fair there's a big difference between the general idea of outside forces meddling in class struggle, which is always going to happen in the messy real world, and depicting that struggle as the result of 'outside agitators' instigating antagonism between classes, which is usually an ahistorical and ideologically centrist position.

with that said, this manga has already established the pre-existing class antagonisms, so i don't really think it's particularly guilty in this regard.

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Besides history, it's interesting to see quite a few people saying they're dropping this due to the direction change from slice-of-life to a more politically driven/drama plot. Obviously people read what they want to read, but personally, even though I like slice-of-life a lot as a genre, many of those fall into stagnation and end up sort of melding with each other in my memory as I struggle to differentiate between them due to usage of common events. Of course, all genres have their tropes which they use but slice-of-life tends to be the most narrow in scope and hence repetitive. So for me, this change of direction is quite refreshing and has piqued my interest towards this series much more than before (even though I knew it would go into that direction at some point, although not this early honestly).

A lot of people are kind of picky about their yuri... I remember talking about potential yuri anime and how well it did at AnimeJapan on a different forum and definitely saw complaints that there were too many male characters. Its hard to categorize because it is yuri but more than that its a well executed fantasy/isekai story overall.

It is what it is I suppose, but we're only at the beginning of the "Revolution" so maybe people will give it more of a chance as more chapters come out.

That “mommy? sorry” page is hilarious considering who she is and her status as a character in Revo-Lily (according to book 3 and 4).

Well this got really convoluted all of a sudden...
Ignoring the thing that grabbed everyone's attention, what is even Claire talking about at the end? I get being sad for not treating her maid better but how does it imply that them being arrested is her fault? :P
Also, why have some complicated plan of blackmailing this guy so he releases a monster, when the bad guy clearly can enter the academy like he owns the place, and can presumably release the monster by himself? (Although I get that there may be reasons for that that haven't been stated yet).

Edit: also I'm fucking blind, I only noticed on the second reread that Lene holds up the knife to Claire, I was wondering why was she even arrested at the end

Regarding what Claire is talking about at the end, two chapters ago Claire derided the commoner's movement and Lene tried to speak up saying that maybe they had some justifiable reasons for being upset. Claire yelled at her to be silent, refusing to listen. Now she feels that maybe if she'd paid more attention perhaps Lene wouldn't have felt cornered into helping the villains.

I knew they probably wouldn't remove the incest subplot, but I was at least hoping they'd, uh, adjust Rei's line equating homosexuality's forbidden-ness to incest.
Even if it may technically be true in the specific world they're in, it just feels like it didn't really need to be there, or at the very least didn't need to be said by someone who so strongly believes that homosexuality shouldn't be seen as wrong, y'know?

I mean, it was compared to homosexuality by Rei because the series very specifically thinks that, like homosexuality, incest shouldn't be seen as wrong. The series is pretty clear about that I think what with both Lene/Lambert and Rei/Claire both getting their happy married endings
So, it did need to be said by Rei for the message to work

wha- does that mean that the author thinks incestry isnt wrong? or am i just understanding this completely wrong lmao

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I knew they probably wouldn't remove the incest subplot, but I was at least hoping they'd, uh, adjust Rei's line equating homosexuality's forbidden-ness to incest.
Even if it may technically be true in the specific world they're in, it just feels like it didn't really need to be there, or at the very least didn't need to be said by someone who so strongly believes that homosexuality shouldn't be seen as wrong, y'know?

I mean, it was compared to homosexuality by Rei because the series very specifically thinks that, like homosexuality, incest shouldn't be seen as wrong. The series is pretty clear about that I think what with both Lene/Lambert and Rei/Claire both getting their happy married endings
So, it did need to be said by Rei for the message to work

wha- does that mean that the author thinks incestry isnt wrong? or am i just understanding this completely wrong lmao

Well, I can't read the author's mind so dunno what she thinks but the story at least doesn't see it as wrong

Ofercrissakes, like the Russian revolution was the only example of class struggle in history. Here's a clue: Unless you're very very rich, nearly every good thing you have, you have because of successful class struggle. Less than a 12 hour day? Class struggle. The weekend? Class struggle. Wages good enough to let you afford whatever you're using to post stuff on the interwebs? Class struggle. The vote? Class struggle. Look up the history of trade unions, or the Chartist movement, sometime.
Of course a lot of the good stuff class struggle got us has been getting taken away lately . . . because of class warfare from the other direction.

what

Almost totally true. Some high wages come from industrialization or special education, but all the rest came from labor movements fighting for them.

The next chapter is gonna be a tear-jerker. Calling it now. Claire's goodbye to Lene was so sad in the LN.

Not the author comparing incest to a sexual orientation lmaoooo

wha- does that mean that the author thinks incestry isnt wrong? or am i just understanding this completely wrong lmao

Well, I can't read the author's mind so dunno what she thinks but the story at least doesn't see it as wrong

There's a lot of morally questionable stuff in this series that the characters don't take a clear stance on, but some of the internal monologues we miss in the manga make it (imo) clear that the author does not agree with the characters about it. Rae in particular has bad politics and/or is just plain wrong about many things, and when you get different perspectives they usually have a better position on things and often correct her explicitly - she is a very flawed heroine.

I do still think the author has weird politics that show through in the work, but it's not as bad as it looks at first glance. On the current theme though, uh,

Wow things are really changing now. Thought this was just going to stay contained to school things like other villainess stories. I am quite curious if the princes will start looking into Rei after her being able to heal the prince.

The princes will probably do nothing, since that seems to be their main role in the story. But if we're lucky enough, Prince Rodd may also get a haircut, he could really use one.

"Would that really be the case if Lene was, say, more than just a sister to you?"
That's it I'm out
...Is what I wish I would have said and yet I came back (after a considerably long break)
Why can't I convince myself to drop this already?!

"If I make a single mistake you'll burn to a crisp"
Please do

This chapter was disappointing in more ways than I could have expected: first we get the Lene×Whatever-his-name-was reveal, which... I'd really rather do without, then we get Claire's frustratingly good magic control, which regrettably left Rei intact, and then we get Prince Thane's beautiful hair cut off. How much more do you think I can take author?! (Jokes aside, I'm loving the new hair too —again, why wasn't Prince Thane more popular???)

Are we supposed to feel sorry about Lene and her brother...? Cause they literally made this whole scheme with the goal of killing all the nobles there in mind, Claire clearly included... Oh, but Lene was so sad when their eyes met...! Almost made me tear up

Also, weren't they planning to leave the country to get married? So they didn't even actually care about the revolution? I'd say that Claire is giving Lene too much credit here by blaming her attitude for this lol

On a side note, just because "the protagonist eventually learns how to counteract their poison", somehow Rei can magically do it right at this moment? When did she even learn this?! If it was some sort of medicine that she made, it could make sense, but how can she just heal it magically? When. Did she. Learn this.

I'm so annoyed with this again. Couldn't keep the sarcasm out of my post

Wow things are really changing now. Thought this was just going to stay contained to school things like other villainess stories. I am quite curious if the princes will start looking into Rei after her being able to heal the prince.

The princes will probably do nothing, since that seems to be their main role in the story. But if we're lucky enough, Prince Rodd may also get a haircut, he could really use one.

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"Would that really be the case if Lene was, say, more than just a sister to you?"
That's it I'm out
...Is what I wish I would have said and yet I came back (after a considerably long break)
Why can't I convince myself to drop this already?!

"If I make a single mistake you'll burn to a crisp"
Please do

This chapter was disappointing in more ways than I could have expected: first we get the Lene×Whatever-his-name-was reveal, which... I'd really rather do without, then we get Claire's frustratingly good magic control, which regrettably left Rei intact, and then we get Prince Thane's beautiful hair cut off. How much more do you think I can take author?! (Jokes aside, I'm loving the new hair too —again, why wasn't Prince Thane more popular???)

Are we supposed to feel sorry about Lene and her brother...? Cause they literally made this whole scheme with the goal of killing all the nobles there in mind, Claire clearly included... Oh, but Lene was so sad when their eyes met...! Almost made me tear up

Also, weren't they planning to leave the country to get married? So they didn't even actually care about the revolution? I'd say that Claire is giving Lene too much credit here by blaming her attitude for this lol

On a side note, just because "the protagonist eventually learns how to counteract their poison", somehow Rei can magically do it right at this moment? When did she even learn this?! If it was some sort of medicine that she made, it could make sense, but how can she just heal it magically? When. Did she. Learn this.

I'm so annoyed with this again. Couldn't keep the sarcasm out of my post

Hey, do you want me to spoil you the entire thing so you can be done with it?

Fully admit, I'm gonna be dropping it but not for revolution/politics storyline that I'm pretty certain that people previous in the thread gave more praise then to the main character's relationship but uh

Not the author comparing incest to a sexual orientation lmaoooo

yeah that

On a side note, just because "the protagonist eventually learns how to counteract their poison", somehow Rei can magically do it right at this moment? When did she even learn this?! If it was some sort of medicine that she made, it could make sense, but how can she just heal it magically? When. Did she. Learn this.

I mean she does use literal magic to heal him... but you could probably chalk this one up to a bootstrap paradox too.

On a side note, just because "the protagonist eventually learns how to counteract their poison", somehow Rei can magically do it right at this moment? When did she even learn this?! If it was some sort of medicine that she made, it could make sense, but how can she just heal it magically? When. Did she. Learn this.

At any point off screen? From Rei's POV she's in a game she's played a lot, she knows what's going to happen. I assume that includes "enemies use this poison".

Fully admit, I'm gonna be dropping it but not for revolution/politics storyline that I'm pretty certain that people previous in the thread gave more praise then to the main character's relationship but uh

Its difficult to talk about Rei and Claire right now without spoilers, though it should be apparent what Claire's bad end might look like.

As far as Rei's hot takes though the only one that really stuck with me from the WN/LN is that she's super into transgender rights which was... refreshing.

I'm so annoyed with this again. Couldn't keep the sarcasm out of my post

Hey, do you want me to spoil you the entire thing so you can be done with it?

Actually, I might as well as just tell you the brief gist of things so you don't waste any more time. Here goes:
After this, there's this overseas student that's a childhood friend of Claire and she can use all 4 elements. She's pretty much there to advance Rei's and Claire relationship to intimate.
After that, Claire goes to Rei's hometown, where she meets Rei's family and some shenanigans happen; Claire learns how the poor are suffering etc.
It turns out Prince Yuu was forced to become a man. So Rei concocts a plan that would turn him back to a woman and live in peace with Misa. The king was impressed by Rei, so he promotes Rei, Claire, and a girl named Lily as his personal investigators.
Their job is to snuff out corrupt nobles, where there's this one guy that's working with the empire, and his daughter is Lily. He inserted an alter ego inside her, and that's the masked figure in this chapter.
Eventually, the king dies, commoners revolt, and the guy with the empire sides with the rebels to bring them under the control of the empire. In the meantime, Claire turns herself in to the rebels out of guilt, and Rei has to rescue her.
Eventually, she does, Lily is back to normal, the guy working with the empire goes to jail, the country is reformed, and Rei and Claire get married and adopt a twin. One of them can use all 4 elements and the other becomes a master swordswoman.

Then there's a sequel, where Rei and Claire go to the empire as transfer students to basically destroy it from within. There's this warmongering empress and they have use her daughter to bring her down.
But it turns out that she was expanding her empire in order to amass a force against the demon queen. The demon queen is the real Rei, where it turns out that Rei and Claire were actually scientists in the past who created a loop system to save the dying population.
In short, the loop system allowed Rei to reincarnate countless times and romance Claire that many number of times, but eventually she got tired of it. Since the only thing she cares about is Claire, she couldn't accept this and decided to destroy the world.
Back in the present day, Rei, Claire, and now the empire all team up to fight this evil Rei, where there's this A.I. that had her administrative power taken by evil Rei and have to get it back.
Once they defeat evil Rei, the A.I. then turns on them and erases Claire from everyone's memory because the admin power was passed off to Claire.
So Rei has to go on a rescue mission for Claire again, and succeeds. Then happy ending.

On a side note, just because "the protagonist eventually learns how to counteract their poison", somehow Rei can magically do it right at this moment? When did she even learn this?! If it was some sort of medicine that she made, it could make sense, but how can she just heal it magically? When. Did she. Learn this.

At any point off screen? From Rei's POV she's in a game she's played a lot, she knows what's going to happen. I assume that includes "enemies use this poison".

Sure thing, but if she has yet to encounter the poison in the first place, how would she go about finding the cure? Whatever, this wasn't the first time (nor is it gonna be the last probably) that something like this happens in the story... Rei just magically knows how to do things because she played the game, even when that knowledge almost certainly wouldn't actually be available within the game itself.

I mean she does use literal magic to heal him... but you could probably chalk this one up to a bootstrap paradox too.

What do you mean with "bootstrap paradox" here? Are you suggesting that the Rei of the game later knew how to neutralize the poison because Rei does it here? Cause that wouldn't work since the Rei of the game was separate to the one that's been isekai'd (or at least that's what we've been led to believe so far).

Bhrjr thanks, but I don't read spoilers for series I'm following. I probably will if (when?) I get so fed up with this that I decide to drop it though.

On a side note, just because "the protagonist eventually learns how to counteract their poison", somehow Rei can magically do it right at this moment? When did she even learn this?! If it was some sort of medicine that she made, it could make sense, but how can she just heal it magically? When. Did she. Learn this.

At any point off screen? From Rei's POV she's in a game she's played a lot, she knows what's going to happen. I assume that includes "enemies use this poison".

Sure thing, but if she has yet to encounter the poison in the first place, how would she go about finding the cure? Whatever, this wasn't the first time (nor is it gonna be the last probably) that something like this happens in the story... Rei just magically knows how to do things because she played the game, even when that knowledge almost certainly wouldn't actually be available within the game itself.

I mean she does use literal magic to heal him... but you could probably chalk this one up to a bootstrap paradox too.

What do you mean with "bootstrap paradox" here? Are you suggesting that the Rei of the game later knew how to neutralize the poison because Rei does it here? Cause that wouldn't work since the Rei of the game was separate to the one that's been isekai'd (or at least that's what we've been led to believe so far).

Bhrjr thanks, but I don't read spoilers for series I'm following. I probably will if (when?) I get so fed up with this that I decide to drop it though.

Then why are you even following it for? What enjoyment are you getting from it, exactly? Nothing in this novel seems to be your cup of tea.

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