ForumMagia Record: Puella Magi Madoka Magica Side Story discussion

Rabu2
joined Apr 22, 2019

But that was hardly in the original series, as Chisato dies almost immediately there...

That's why flashbacks are such a wonderful thing. Honestly, MagiReco could use Mel and Kanae a bit more with that excuse. And they could justify killing off a few puellae once in a while. You know, for old times' sake.

EvelineClariss
joined Feb 17, 2019

But that was hardly in the original series, as Chisato dies almost immediately there...

That's why flashbacks are such a wonderful thing. Honestly, MagiReco could use Mel and Kanae a bit more with that excuse. And they could justify killing off a few puellae once in a while. You know, for old times' sake.

Laughs in Hanna

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joined Oct 17, 2019

I believe that the Amane sisters ship is the best ship, no one can change my mind

Sakura Cartelet
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Ah the incestual flute girls... One of says once they get old enough they want to move out and live together.

On an unrelated note, the next event in Magia Record EN is supposed to be Kamihama Cheese Panic aka Nagisa's event part 2. Unlike the Nagisa's Wish event (the current one) where the Nagisa is from the Magia Record timeline, the one in the Kamihama Cheese Panic event (and also the playable version) is the one from the Rebellion timeline which was sent by the Law of Cycles (or so I heard anyway). This version is much happier than the very dark one we got with the current event.

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Also dataminers have found the translated files for the remaining 2 Magius' and also the Nanaka uncap

Holdingsmall
joined Jan 15, 2020

It is actually unknown if we will get Cheese Panic quite yet, and has been speculated that we won't and that it will serve as the Halloween event like it was in JP, while Nagisa's Wish and her release as playable happened in April due to connection with Rebellion, which released in October 2012 in Japan, and April 2013 English release, this specualation is happening because Nagisa's banner is supposed to run through both events, and it is currently marked down to end on the 21st with Nagisa's Wish.

It is highly possible we will get Ikumi's event Whereabouts of the Feather instead, Ikumi and Ryou actually appear in chapter 9(it is easy to pick out who they are, they are in generic Feather outfits but they keep their hair style and colors), which is now fully released, and it has been speculated that we got OG Homura before them because they had to close up chapter 9 before they could be released.

EvelineClariss
joined Feb 17, 2019

On an unrelated note, the next event in Magia Record EN is supposed to be Kamihama Cheese Panic aka Nagisa's event part 2. Unlike the Nagisa's Wish event (the current one) where the Nagisa is from the Magia Record timeline, the one in the Kamihama Cheese Panic event (and also the playable version) is the one from the Rebellion timeline which was sent by the Law of Cycles (or so I heard anyway). This version is much happier than the very dark one we got with the current event.

It's always important to keep an eye out for these events since they add stuff to the general lore of the original anime, even if you don't consider the game canon.

Also, to give you some hopeful news from JP, if by any chance you're still broken from Nagisa's Wish even after Cheese Panic, the Valentines Nagisa event is sure to patch up and heal every and all of wounds so rest easy

Holdingsmall
joined Jan 15, 2020

It's always important to keep an eye out for these events since they add stuff to the general lore of the original anime, even if you don't consider the game canon.

There is a major thing from Kamihama Cheese Panic that is expanded upon very little that I find fascinating, and I have been looking forward to this particular event to see the translated version and how it plays out, specifically I am talking about the short lived pink Kyubey, as that thing alone creates tons of implications about current situation...

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Sakura Cartelet
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Also dataminers have found the translated files for the remaining 2 Magius' and also the Nanaka uncap

Any idea of when we might get Iroha's 5* uncap?

@Veya From my understanding the Kamihami Cheese Panic occurred directly after the Nagisa's Wish event in the Japanese version of the game and also while it may have occurred around Halloween time in Japan from what I've heard it wasn't really a "Halloween event" like Karin's event last year in NA.

Holdingsmall
joined Jan 15, 2020

While it is true that Kamihama Cheese Panic isn't strongly themed around Halloween, it still has a strong "sweets" theme due to Charlotte, so it has some connection to the season, which is what led to speculation that this event will be saved for Halloween so they have something for the season.

Plus somebody better pick up that phone, cuz I absolutely called it! Whereabouts of a Feather, translated as "Wings in the Wind", got announced this morning... I am actually quite proud of having predicted this one correctly, getting into the right mindset to think in #NATempo terms isn't an easy task...

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From the hyperlinked fanfic:

There’s a method to my madness, you know that!

...

That line sounds suspiciously Hamlet-y.

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EvelineClariss
joined Feb 17, 2019

Any idea of when we might get Iroha's 5* uncap?

Iroha 5* came to us in JP together with Last Magia, which is the event version of Chapter 10

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Popcorn
joined Jun 5, 2015

Oh yea, I totally forgot about Masara x Kokoro. They're very shippable indeed. Also they make a perfect couple, because they're making each other a better person. Masara helped Kokoro copy with result of her wish and thanks to her advice she started working on improving her life herself. Meanwhile Kokoro made Masara reconsider her approach and she started to care a little more about her life, whatever she's aware of it/wants to admit it or not.

Mitama x Momoko is another almost canon! Momoko was protecting Mitama from witches/farmed grief seeds for her and when shit hit the fan and Mitama had to abandon her neutrality, she made Momoko promise her she'll forever protect her.

And right, Kaede x Rena are pretty much a item. There's no other person who can deal with Rena the way Kaede can and Rena clearly have a soft spot for Kaede. Also Kaede giving back all the abuse on copy Rena was hilarious x3

I don't really ship them, but I joked about Nanaka x Akira, because in Mami's side story I believe, Mami comments how good of a pair they make and Akira says that she and Nanaka are a "odd couple".

I was so mad at Suzune event. I really don't understand why MR insist to tie everything together. They could just go for something that isn't clearly canon for either manga or main story of MR. I mean, I don't really consider most event stories canon anyway. To me event is supposed to introduce characters to you and make you curous about manga/whatever it's promoting. Like Nanoha's and Darc's events were done well in that regard. But Kazumi's and Suzune's were terrible. It told me nothing about Kazumi or what her manga is about (and from what I heard from friend, it's crazy and dark af). How I'm supposed to take character with amnesia who then finally remember that she... already had amnesia before! seriously? And Suzune's event was even worse. Not only it mainly featured 2 character where 1 dies in chapter 1 and other also pretty fast so they don't really get that much screen time (entire event I was like, ok but they're pretty much dead, who cares about them, then again I guess fleshing them out here was nice, but it's false advertisment) and what we got of Suzune was bare bones and pretty much copy/past Suzune wants to kill someone but fails, it actually portrayed Suzune as completely incompetent and harmless, when in manga, if she got drop on you and took you by surprise, you were dead, actually portrayed Nanaka as incompetent and stupid, cos instead of trying to kill a serial killer she just scared her off city using social media and pretty much become responsible for events of the manga and death of countless magical girls and on top of all of that, it actually spoiled the twist from the manga. I know the Suzune knows the truth and is going around killing magical girls because of that was revealed pretty early in manga, so i had no issue with that (it actually give you reason to check manga), but then after this clusterfuck of a plot half Suzune running around city, failing to do anything and half SoL with Arisa and Chisato triying to buy a book, at the very end they drop the fact that Suzune's memories were manipulated. What a joke of a event. Which reminds me. Veya you went into Suzune's backstory, but didn't actually mention the most important thing after she killed Tsubaki, she pretty much hid in her room all depressed and didn't want to do anything. It was Kagari's wish made out of vengeance that made her into the serial killer that she is in the manga and pretty much fucked up her, and many other megucas, entire life

About guessing events. People speculated Feathers event will happen after chapter 9 drops and after it we'll get Homura's, but they flipped it and we got Homura's first and then unexpected Nagisa's event, but it's not like people didn't expect Feathers next. Still good job.

Right also Konoha x Hazuki x Ayame is next blatant family MR introduced. Konoha and Hazuki are so obviously Ayame parents.

Also I'm the kind that prefer to ship characters that I can see having chemistry in the series, but I also don't mind shipping characters that I think would work together well, though I can't think if I ever had a ship like that from top of my head.

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Rabu2
joined Apr 22, 2019

It told me nothing about Kazumi or what her manga is about (and from what I heard from friend, it's crazy and dark af).

It's pretty good actually. It does suffer a bit from the most abused plot device in PMMM history (i.e. memory manipulation), but unless you disregard the spinoffs on principle I'd recommend giving it a shot.

And say what you will about Suzune Magica, but it does have good art.

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Holdingsmall
joined Jan 15, 2020

Okay, so, something to say about Suzune's event, is that there is a part 2 to it, which introduces Matsuri as playable in MagiReco, it has a similar ending to part 1, but a very important twist: The memory manipulation at the very end is done by Kagari herself, and while she messes with everyone else, she herself keeps all memories of the event, while also hinting very strongly at a potential part 3, which would introduce Kagari as playable, and potential resolve/give an alternate ending to the story of Suzune Magica, with fewer or entirely no deaths, due to interference from the Kamihama characters, even Chisato is still well and fine after part 2, and I already went into how quickly she got axed in her original story.

But tying everything together is just a gacha game thing in general, FGO does the same with its in-franchise collabs, though at least I understand wanting to dismiss Magia Clash/Nanoha collab specially, at least the Monogatari girls(which we haven't got in NA but frankly I don't care about them) have the decency of being explicitly non-canon, I just skipped the story of Magia Clash myself since I never watched and never will watch Nanoha, the aesthetic style just doesn't do it for me.

And yes, the event predicting thing, I was just parroting a lot of things I discussed back and forth with a friend in private, I am still happy I was able to nail it down so well and on the nick of time, just the day before it got actually announced.

EDIT: Also this is completely random, but Nevri, I think I just fought you in Mirrors... I didn't even have time to process the name before clicking the button, but as the fight was loading, I had that "...wait, what?" moment to it and I had to check right after...

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Sakura Cartelet
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Speaking of FGO (another gacha game I play often) I think it'd be pretty interesting for them to do a collaboration event between that game and this one. I wonder how Mashu, Gudako, and depending on when it took place Romani would react to the magical girls and vise versa. What the Magius (or another group of magical girls or Homura) would do with the Holy Grail given it's wish granting machine properties.

On a somewhat related note, I could totally see Atalante being one of the Magius (Touka or Nemu's) servants given her love for children.

EvelineClariss
joined Feb 17, 2019

Unpopularly enough, i actually liked Suzune Magica's event(s) on MagiReco because it did the favor of improving a bit of my opinion on the lesser characters and the manga as a whole, like, it was a bunch of redundancy in the end, yeah, but at least it gave some more depth to Ms. First to be killed Chisato and her relationship with Arisa, as well as brainwashed Suzune, since we get to spend more time seeing things from her perspective, and not from the other girls' like in the manga.

I just skipped the story of Magia Clash myself since I never watched and never will watch Nanoha, the aesthetic style just doesn't do it for me.

Refusing the media from where the most legendary, canon-but-not-really couple in the history of yuri comes from requires a lot of bravery, i'll at least give you that.

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Sakura Cartelet
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Legendary? While I do agree the Nanoha franchise and in particular the NanoFate ship is quite popular I don't know if I'd necessarily call it Legendary compared to other older ships like Sailor Neptune/Sailor Uranus.

Also Hinano needs her cute Kouhai (Emiri/Emily) to take care of her for life.

Holdingsmall
joined Jan 15, 2020

Okay so, my thing with Nanoha, is that I have an immense distaste for the militaristic and armored design aesthetics, it also hits some of my most disliked magical girl tropes, including my absolute most hated trope in "age-up physical transformations"...

Keeping in mind that my very first magical girl show ever was Card Captor Sakura, and how it informed a lot of my preferences in magical girl shows, PMMM ended up being the magical girl series that appeals to me the most in my adulthood, including: frilly and fancy outfits, no physical transformations whatsoever(they only really happen to Madoka and Homura once they ascend to godhood, at which point it is far more justified), a pure mystical magic system(PMMM got pretty close of losing that with Kyubey being an alien, but ultimately that detail affects the narrative very little, the point is that the magic feels like actual magic, and not magiscience or plain science), explanations that expand upon said magic system's details, and so on.

With that out of the way... today I finally did Sayaka's personal story, the only one I was missing to do, and the one I was dreading the most... and can I just say... I absoutely hate Kyosuke... or at least that's what I want to say, but... that boy has historically done... so damn little... that I cannot muster the energy to properly hate him, but he is still the cause of just so many problems just by merely existing... can MagiReco Sayaka please get her stuff together and realize that Kyosuke ain't it? I know she still haven't by the time of the most recent stuff in JP, but still... I just had to go rewatch the start of Rebellion again as a pallet cleanser after doing her personal story, up to the Cake Song or so, Sayaka is just so much at her very best in Rebellion in general...

Popcorn
joined Jun 5, 2015

SuperText posted:

but unless you disregard the spinoffs on principle I'd recommend giving it a shot.

And say what you will about Suzune Magica, but it does have good art.

I read Suzune's manga, so I clearly have no issue with spinoffs and yea, it has good art.

Veya posted:

Okay, so, something to say about Suzune's event, is that there is a part 2 to it, which introduces Matsuri as playable in MagiReco, it has a similar ending to part 1, but a very important twist: The memory manipulation at the very end is done by Kagari herself, and while she messes with everyone else, she herself keeps all memories of the event, while also hinting very strongly at a potential part 3, which would introduce Kagari as playable, and potential resolve/give an alternate ending to the story of Suzune Magica, with fewer or entirely no deaths, due to interference from the Kamihama characters, even Chisato is still well and fine after part 2, and I already went into how quickly she got axed in her original story.

I honestly am not sure how I feel about it. If it's canon to the manga, what a cop-out. If it's not. I wish it was clearly stated that it's just a what if scenario or some kind of alternative take on events.

But tying everything together is just a gacha game thing in general

Honestly I think MR story in general would do much better with fans of OG series and newcomers if they just openly said it is just a different take on original story, because what imo hinders MR story the most right now is unclearness how canon exactly the story is and trying to tie it to everything else. Just have fun with different timelines/universes/whatever don't try to make everything make sense, because from what I saw so far, you're doing a poor job on it.

FGO does the same with its in-franchise collabs

FGO has the excuse that Fate franchise is a multiverse to begin with and it never made sense. It's build on contradictions, different outcomes and possibilities. So you can pretty much explain it with whatever jargon you want and it'll make sense in-universe. Madoka, for the most part, was very grounded. Sure it had timelines with Homura time traveling, but it was never said it's like multiple universes or something. It was clear Homura is living in 1, just repeats the same period over and over. What MR is doing is taking surprisingly simple and straightforward story about groundhog day month and makes it unnecessary complicated and bends over backwards to make it all make sense and tie together.

just the day before it got actually announced.

Yea that was pretty neat.

EDIT: Also this is completely random, but Nevri, I think I just fought you in Mirrors... I didn't even have time to process the name before clicking the button, but as the fight was loading, I had that "...wait, what?" moment to it and I had to check right after...

Oh yea xD I'm the same. I barely pay attention to names. Just looking for easy team to defeat. And yea, rank and leader of the team checks, though I use her first art. Do you remember what team composition it was? I use Homura, Yachiyo and Kyouko with Dark/Fire formation.

Sakura Cartelet posted:

Speaking of FGO (another gacha game I play often) I think it'd be pretty interesting for them to do a collaboration event between that game and this one. I wonder how Mashu, Gudako, and depending on when it took place Romani would react to the magical girls and vise versa. What the Magius (or another group of magical girls or Homura) would do with the Holy Grail given it's wish granting machine properties.

On a somewhat related note, I could totally see Atalante being one of the Magius (Touka or Nemu's) servants given her love for children.

Megucas as mages summoning servants? I can see that. And yea, especially since Roman was fan of virtual idol Magi☆Mari it'd be funny to see his reaction xD I'd need to think a bit more about what servants who could summon, but coming up with new servants, especially for setting like that, is fun too, but I get the main appeal would be seeing those characters interacting. Also Kyuubey would totally be a vessel for the grail.

Sakura Cartelet posted:

Legendary? While I do agree the Nanoha franchise and in particular the NanoFate ship is quite popular I don't know if I'd necessarily call it Legendary compared to other older ships like Sailor Neptune/Sailor Uranus.

I think they're legendary not in the sense of being a famous couple (whatever confirmed or not), but more like they're a go to example of lesbian married couple with a child. Sure they're not confirmed, but we don't have a confirmed example and they're pretty much subtext canon like Madoka girls etc. Heavily implied, but just never confirmed. At least that's my take on it.

Veya posted:

Okay so, my thing with Nanoha, is that I have an immense distaste for the militaristic and armored design aesthetics,

The funny thing is that they actually do not have armored designs like that in the original show. The armors they wear are only from third and forth movies (which the collab event is promoting, they use music from 4th movie) that unlike first and second that adapted first and second season of anime, are original content that is supposed to take place between season 2 and season 3 (I think, maybe they're just telling different story and taking plot into different direction altogether, I didn't watch them and I only read basic descriptions). Their normal designs are more typical Magical Girl kinds
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it also hits some of my most disliked magical girl tropes, including my absolute most hated trope in "age-up physical transformations"...

They don't actually use it. Only Nanoha's adopted daughter uses it and only in 4th season and in 5th all child characters use it. So you can safely watch first 3 seasons (which most people consider the best anyway, and there's even plenty of people who hate 3rd) and never see it. Well I guess she does transform into her older self at the end of season 3, but that's more because of villain fucking with her body rather than her using some kind of power up. He tried to turn her into perfect weapon.

a pure mystical magic system, explanations that expand upon said magic system's details, and so on.

Well Nanoha usually avoid going into details, but their magic is pure science rather than magic, so I guess that one won't work for you. It's in fact one of the reasons it really appeals to some people, but I guess different people have different tastes.

I personally love detailed, understandable magic systems, because it's fun seeing how different characters use and explore/exploit different aspects of it and also makes ass-pulls and unclear stakes much rarer, which is a common issue with abstract magic with no rules, that often simply becomes deus ex machina and what characters can and can't do depends solely on the plot. It's very hard to keep proper tension with those and situations like character barely managing to do something often don't feel earned, because of proper lack of understanding how much effort does it really take, especially when the line when they hit their limit and when they can still keep going, feel very arbitrary.

That being said, I have nothing against pure mystical magic and it can be fun too, if done right. I actually hate when some series start with premise of "how they do it? magic", but later try to explain it using science. Like in Naruto at first they just used chakra to do ninja magic and I was perfectly fine with that explanations. But near end of the series they started to try explaining it with logic and reason and it just took all the charm from it.

EvelineClariss
joined Feb 17, 2019

Well the very thing about MagiReco is that it is indeed a different universe, if the Homura and Ultimate Madoka events didn't make that clear enough, they outright say it with every word in the end of the story, and besides, the very existence of the anime discards the game as being possibly canon, so they have some more freedom to work on stuff like that.

[They] are original content that is supposed to take place between season 2 and season 3 (I think, maybe they're just telling different story and taking plot into different direction altogether

Regarding Nanoha, the movies are their own continuity and do not connect with the anime, they are pretty much a new canon that adds everything that worked on formerly separate media into one big thing (Rynith appearing, 3rd and 4th movies adapting the Gears of Destiny storyline instead of going straight for StrikerS, and the early addition of the technology and designs from Force, for example)

Also, i call NanoFate legendary because though it's not as old as Sailor Moon or Utena, it is one of the most famous couples from the previous generation of yuri, since it came around the same period as other classics of the genre like Maria-sama, Strawberry Panic or the Petals series, some of "the building blocks of yuri as we know it today", like i heard someone say one time, and it blew up just as much even though Nanoha wasn't a romance series like those.

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Popcorn
joined Jun 5, 2015

EvelineClariss posted:

Well the very thing about MagiReco is that it is indeed a different universe, if the Homura and Ultimate Madoka events didn't make that clear enough, they outright say it with every word in the end of the story

Yea, but it isn't clear when you start playing and especially when you watch anime. Also Homura's event is just recap of anime. I thought that's where they explain it, but they didn't and I was disappointed in event because of it. I believe you meant Madokami's and Homura's episode stories, as only they mention it. Also sucks to be you if you didn't drop either of them, because now you don't know it. I really don't like when vital information like that are part of something not everyone has access to. And the explanation is flimsy anyway. And they still try to tie it all together to OG series. What I meant is that they should just commit to it and say, it's different universe without any connection, here how story could go differently or something. No OG Homura's time traveling somehow caused this new universe to split of and live on it's own etc.

and besides, the very existence of the anime discards the game as being possibly canon, so they have some more freedom to work on stuff like that.

And that's my entire point. If it's not going to be canon anyway, stop trying to perfectly tie it to OG story and just do your own thing. Trying to tie everything together perfectly is only hurting it.

EvelineClariss
joined Feb 17, 2019

Your original complaint seems to be about the inclusion of the spin-off characters, but in that matter, isn't doing their own thing exactly what these stories are about? Like, they're all basically about how the existence of the Kamihama girls interferes with the way their stories are naturally supposed to go, i mean, even if it doesn't change the ending of their stories overall, (well, except Oriko) isn't that pretty much working with these characters in an original way?

Yeah, some changes are more slight, some are more drastic (like, time traveling through a cellphone, what the heck?), but it's just about integrating these characters we already know into this world as a nod to their own stories, and i don't really see the harm in that.

Holdingsmall
joined Jan 15, 2020

I honestly am not sure how I feel about it. If it's canon to the manga, what a cop-out. If it's not. I wish it was clearly stated that it's just a what if scenario or some kind of alternative take on events.

Oh, this is definitely an alternate take on the events, all of MagiReco is a separate universe from Cycles universe(AKA the original series universe) and that is made clearer through some story bits, I feel that I don't have nearly the same issues as you do with continuity because I am a bit more used to looser continuities that gachas have, my general rule for this is just: All events are canon to the continuity of the gacha, unless specifically noted, them being canon doesn't mean they are the latest chronologically as plenty of events tell stories that happened somewhere in the past(the same also applies to personal stories, though it is far more obvious there), seasonal events happen with a very healthy handing of Comicbook Time but this doesn't mean they are any less canon to those characters, the part 1 of main story in itself(for MagiReco specifically) happens within the six weeks of Homura's original time loop and ends at April 30th(or more accurately, on the morning of May 1st), as Walpurgis' involvement in the story pretty strongly locks down the date she appears on, well, Walpurgisnacht(the holiday, not the Witch).

For what is worth, it does make sense that all spinoffs would all exist at the same time in the world, and Madokami's personal story does adress the idea briefly by stating that the extremely unique situation in Kamihama, which said personal story also points out is unique to this one universe, is causing the threads of everyone's fates to be become intertwined and getting drawn to Kamihama, yes, this isn't something a newcomer would know, and I do agree it is a pretty important plot detail to lock behind a limited, if meta AF, SSR character, but at the same time, it is a complicated plot detail that you don't really need to know unless you are invested in the game and the franchise already, it would be horribly awkward and clunky to shove it at people's faces first and foremost when they start the game.

and besides, the very existence of the anime discards the game as being possibly canon, so they have some more freedom to work on stuff like that.

I wouldn't say that at all, if anything it is the inverse, the anime's season 2 is fated to end at the end of part 1, as there is simply not enough content in part 2 yet to make another anime season out of it, but the fact is that the game will keep going, I simply consider the game and the anime as separate canons, with the game taking priority over the anime due to seniority and due to being far more expansive, plus I feel that trying to dismiss the game in favor of the anime is akin to trying to dismiss a manga in favor of its anime, and try doing that to a Dragon Ball fan to see how well that ends for you...

And about Nanoha, I actually know... far more about that series than I should know, due to one friend of mine who is a little too much into it... to the point I avoid posting any NanoFate art that I come across at random at our Discord server out of fear of setting him off in yet another Nanoha rant... ultimately I know exactly what to expect and at which points to expect out of that series...

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Rabu2
joined Apr 22, 2019

SuperText posted:

but unless you disregard the spinoffs on principle I'd recommend giving it a shot.

And say what you will about Suzune Magica, but it does have good art.

I read Suzune's manga, so I clearly have no issue with spinoffs and yea, it has good art.

I know, mine was a generic "you"... But anyway.

I've not read Tart yet, but apparently there's some good yuri there..? Which is funny, considering the setting.

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