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Kuma The Bear Apr 17, 2020 10:55PM

Being meguca is suffering

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Lil-Dumpster-Rat Apr 17, 2020 11:14PM

If that's heaven then the sadness is even worse

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Kuma The Bear Apr 17, 2020 11:25PM

^now I'm sad

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Flanny Apr 18, 2020 3:11AM

I want this for the first ep of second cour. They need to be together ASAP-

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BV Apr 18, 2020 5:10AM

Whoever made a comment along these lines in the discord server, I hope you can forgive me for stealing it, but:

This gonna be them as soon as they reunite in season 2.

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EvelineClariss Apr 18, 2020 8:06AM

Since the anime failed miserably to give this scene justice, this is how i like to imagine how their reconciliation went in the game.

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Nevri Apr 18, 2020 8:19AM

@EvelineClariss

Pretty much. Man, I'm still mad at how anime fucked up.

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Sakura Cartelet Apr 18, 2020 8:26PM

While this is cute and a nice ship which I like. I still like Iroha/Sana and Yachiyo/Mifuyu better.

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Nevri Apr 18, 2020 8:36PM

Fair, but IroYachi has such great chemistry I just can't see them not together. They're pretty much canon in game.

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Sakura Cartelet Apr 18, 2020 10:17PM

Wait I think I've got it figured out then: polyamory. So if everyone involved formed the following romantic relationships: Sana/Iroha/Yachiyo and Iroha/Yachiyo/Mifuyu then it would be Sana/Iroha, Yachiyo/Iroha, and Yachiyo/Mifuyu then.

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EvelineClariss Apr 18, 2020 10:25PM

@Nevri I was gonna say that you shouldn't go as far as to make such a daring claim, but then i remembered Maid Iroha's outfit story and the entire YachiIro dual unit story and voice lines and realized that you're pretty much right.

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Sakura Cartelet Apr 18, 2020 10:51PM

There's also Sana wanting to save Iroha. Her acting as Iroha's shield. Iroha wanting to save Sana no matter what (same thing with Yachiyo and Mifuyu). As for the canon statement I think Yachiyo/Iroha (and pretty much any ship) will be like HomuMado from the OG anime- strongly hinted at but not "confirmed".

As for this picture, it kind of reminded me of this (untranslated) animated image I found on pixiv a while ago.

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EvelineClariss Apr 19, 2020 6:37AM

strongly hinted at but not "confirmed"

So all of those people angry at the Amane sisters being all over each other can chill, right?

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Veya Apr 19, 2020 6:49AM

^ My read on the Amanes has been that they are completely and absolutely meant to be a thing, but it is not a positive thing even in-universe that they are meant to be a thing, rather that their minds are warped by their wish, driving them to love each other a little too much, and it being a case where trying to pull them apart would do more harm than good at this point...

Just because... wishes causing problems is kind of a general theme for this franchise, and even the most inconspicious wishes can lead to some bizarre consequences.

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BV Apr 19, 2020 7:21AM

^ Why does it seem like you deleted a comment of yours mentioning a number of IroYachi hints? Or is it the same quantum physics bs that caused a comment of mine on a previous IroYachi image to misteriously disappear? Or did I officially go crazy?

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Nevri Apr 19, 2020 7:47AM

Well to be fair. Amane sisters got screwed up over by everyone else and they made a wish after realizing they can only rely on each other, so they were already incredible close. Add to that the fact they they did not grow up together (studies shows we do like our partner to resemble as a bit, so family living separate and meeting later do often fall for each other, then again they're twins and we don't like too close resemblance, but I digress) only helps in them creating even stronger bond between each other. Whatever that bond evolved into love you could argue, but they're definitely inseparable soulmates. Even their Dopples show they complete each other. They're 2 halves of 1 bubble that together create a whole.

As for IroYachi, entire game is just full of their interactions and in later chapters they pretty much act like married couple taking care of the house/family, so I can't really see them other way. Sana and Felicia are their children and Tsuruno is Yachiyo's little sister dropping by every now and then. I honestly think them and MadoHomu is as canon as you can get. Subtext Canon ? And even for MadoHomu I'm not so sure if it isn't just canon. In third movie they specifically said the reason Homura was able to pull Madoka back to earth was because she felt so much love. If that's not explicit, I'm not sure what is. Iroha pretty much already proposed to Yachiyo, saying she'll spend rest of her live together with her.

I made entire rant in anime thread, but here is relevant part

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EvelineClariss Apr 19, 2020 8:07AM

I find it kinda funny how every YachiIro image that gets uploaded ends up having discussions like this.

@ Nevri While there is truth to that, there are indeed things to worry about when you wish to change a part of yourself for the sake of someone else, Kirika being the textbook case.

Although the fact that the sisters can never hate each other doesn't necessarily translate directly into unconditional love for each other (which obviously they have), it does make you wonder how genuine their general relationship is if there is Magic involved in it.

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Veya Apr 19, 2020 8:11AM

Nevri absolutely laying it down with the family dynamics, hm? I honestly had not gone as far as think of Tsuruno as Yachiyo's little sister, though it does make sense, and I had reached the conclusion of thinking of Tsuruno as the "cool aunt" to Felicia... so it is a pretty similar conclusion, I suppose.

As for MadoHomu... oh come on, it is completely and utterly blatant that Homura is madly in love with Madoka even in the original series, and every piece of media after the original series just builds up more and more on it, Wraith Arc makes it very clear said feelings are mutual(specifically Homura's and Madoka's feelings for each other resonating to the point of crystalizing into a new Soul Gem, which granted Homura her new wish and the potential to become the Devil in first place), and then Homura very explicitly spells it out in Rebellion, the biggest thing you can say against MadoHomu is that they are not a couple, which is... technically true, due to circumstance there has never been a point where they were allowed to simply have a normal relationship, but that's not due to lack of love, but rather that their universe really sucks for everyone involved.

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While it is true that "never hate each other" doesn't translate to "always love each other", it is important to remember that one's personal interpretation of their wish is just as important as wording, see Felicia's wish for an example where her mental state warped her wish in a negative way, and I feel that in context, what they truly meant was "We want our relationship to always be perfect", as they viewed their resentment, thus "hate", for each other as the one thing keeping them from said perfection.

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BV Apr 19, 2020 8:19AM

I find it kinda funny how every YachiIro image that gets uploaded ends up having discussions like this.

And I'm thankful for that, because, due to such discussions, people who don't play the game, like myself, get a more expansive view of the story through the info provided by those who do, without themselves having to bother playing, lol.

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Sakura Cartelet Apr 19, 2020 1:32PM

For some reason I can't see Tsuruno as being Yachiyo's little sister. If anyone would be Yachiyo's little sister I would imagine it would more likely be Momoko given her "rebellious phase" she went through early in the game. Also Nevri what's your thoughts on Mifuyu and Yachiyo's relationship?

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Veya Apr 19, 2020 1:55PM

I don't know Nevri, but personally? I view Mifuyu as Yachiyo's ex, they were together for a long time and went through a lot together, but as they grew older and into maturity, they became too different to stay together, Yachiyo is fine with being a meguca for the rest of her life, even with the risks and complications, she knows it is the life she choose and it is the fate she has accepted, Mifuyu has for a long time now yearned for a way out, a way that she could just lead a normal life without having to risk herself fighting Witches just to stay alive.

Mifuyu as Yachiyo's ex also fits too well with that one sequence in early chapter 6(later half of episode 11 to anime-onlys, keeping in mind that in the game, Mifuyu went there unprompted) where Mifuyu goes to the villa primarily to taunt Iroha and to mess with Yachiyo, that was completely Mifuyu acting as a bitchy ex, and going out of her way to rub on Iroha's face that what she has with Yachiyo at that moment doesn't compare to what she had with Yachiyo in the past... no wonder that Iroha is driven to make that major declaration to Yachiyo later in the chapter, Mifuyu made her want to go a step further.

Also can I just say, that one scene drove me very close to hating Mifuyu, she redeemed herself more than enough in the following chapters, and the story makes it clear that that scene, bitchy and venomous as it was, was ultimately just an act and that she really isn't like that, but it shows Iroha has the patience of a saint that she didn't force Mifuyu out of the house at crossbowpoint, I know I would've.

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Nevri Apr 19, 2020 2:00PM

Yea, I can see Momoko like that, especially since Yachiyo used to take care of her and Momoko looked up to her. Then again, it feels like rebellious phase to us, but she did have good reason to be angry at Yachiyo, so I'd feel like she's more of a old friend Yachiyo had falling off with, but later reconciled?

With Tsuruno it's entirely based on just how game presents it. She's constantly dropping by, keeps in touch with family and acts kinda like aunt to Felicia and Sana, but isn't too far apart in age. So Yachiyo's little sister who constantly clings to her. Like with Momoko you could also go with old friend, but in her case they had falling off, but she never kept grudge against Yachiyo, so when they meet again, she went back to behaving like always.

For Yachiyo and Mifuyu, they're exes, but they drifted too far apart to ever get back together. Yachiyo of course still cares about Mifuyu, but now she has new gf to focus on.

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Lilliwyt Apr 19, 2020 2:08PM

I don't know, each time i read the headcanons on Magia Record, I feel like peoples view too far in of what it's suposs to be. It's at least the second time i heard about 2 peoples being treated as exs when there is nothing to back it up. I know there is a lot of lesbians vibes but I don't know. I like Yuri but it feel a bit too much.

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Nevri Apr 19, 2020 2:11PM

Oh no, I think Mifuyu 100% meant it. After Yachiyo decided to break up team because she was afraid her wish was killing everyone and she distanced herself from everyone, including Mifuyu, Mifuyu was devastated. That's why she says that it was Yachiyo who abandoned her, not the other way around. She went to invite everyone to the lecture, but when she saw that Yachiyo pretty much went back to living and behaving the way she used to before, she got pissed, because it meant Yachiyo disbanding their team and cutting ties with her was completely pointless. She was 100% jelly of Iroha in that scene and wanted to gloat how close she is with Yachiyo.

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Nevri Apr 19, 2020 2:13PM

@Lilliwyt

It's not headcanon. It's canon. If you didn't play game, you have no idea. That's how game portray their relationship. And Madoka frenchiase was always gay with MadoHomu, but Magia Record has a canon lesbian character who wished for her crush to love her back, so it's not like they'd never go there. As I said, IroYachi is pretty much canon, without ever confirming it, but you'd need to be blind to deny it.

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Nevri Apr 19, 2020 2:20PM

They made them as a duo unit in the game with art like this. Try telling me it's just people taking it too far.

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Lilliwyt Apr 19, 2020 2:23PM

That's not the part i consider as head canon, it's the " I view Mifuyu as Yachiyo's ex".I know that much there is a canon lesbian character and yada yada, there is enough talk about the gacha on the Dynasty Discord but when someone said "I view x as y''s ex" then it mean it's not canon because it's a personal intepretation of the relation, not how the actual relation is.

Edit : It's not that part i consider headcanon Nevri. I fully know the relation between this two.

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BV Apr 19, 2020 2:25PM

Please keep the paragraphs coming, I'm enjoying every moment of it (even if it comes at the cost of my younger brother being frustrated with me occupying the computer for longer than 30 seconds)

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EvelineClariss Apr 19, 2020 2:31PM

@Lilliwyt I feel that maybe it's because MagiReco has a ton of characters with lots of varying dynamics, the more yuri-y ones end up standing out more, but they can still be interpreted some other way if you choose to.

The example i like to use the most is Alina's obsession with Mifuyu's body, which most fans interpret as Alina having the hots for her, it's perfectly understandable why one would see it that way, considering how Alina's character is portrayed, but there is no problem at all if you don't, because it's also within her character to just be a bitch who does messed up stuff for the sake of her art

For me is a matter of the way things correlate from one to another, like, Iroha being Yachiyo's trusted partner in battle and special friend, seeing how they interact, is not beyond reason to equal that to "married couple", something most of the Japanese fandom agrees on. But if you want to see her as merely a close friend she gave shelter to (who cooks her her favorite breakfast, prepares her dinner and bath, carries her to bed, dressed up as a maid for her once and even feeds her occasionally), you absolutely can, too.

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Nevri Apr 19, 2020 2:32PM

Fine, Mifuyu and Yachiyo could be just friends, but since game already pretty much turned Mikazuki Villa into whole happy family with parents, children and aunty, we're just having fun with it. Sure Yachiyo and Mifuyu are only a childhood friends, who spend 7 years together fighting witches, then separate because of different opinions and later when Mifuyu disappeared, Yachiyo dropped everything and spend rest of time looking for her and when she thought she finally found he, but she turned out to be fake, she almost turned into witch from shock. I guess instead of girlfriends that broke up, they are only very close friends.

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Veya Apr 19, 2020 2:41PM

See, to me personally, the "Mifuyu is Yachiyo's ex" thing comes in huge part from the "bitchy ex" scene in chapter 6, before that point I was unsure what exactly the nature of Mifuyu and Yachiyo's relationship, but that scene just hits like a truck with that sense of "Oh, oh, oooh, so this is how it is, hm?" and everything just starts to slot into place really well... and it is one of the things that the anime keeps and does it really well, while the circumstances of the scene are changed with Mifuyu being indirectly invited there, but otherwise the context of the scene is the same and it is such a tense scene, cutting off the background music just to build up the tension, and even using Yachiyo's Doppel to show how much the situation affected her... they wanted to make sure to deliver the same context even in the different adaptation.

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Lilliwyt Apr 19, 2020 2:43PM

You want to make me feel bad to be the one who is saying is just friendship and not love. Fine, i know Madoka has a big lesbian vibe going for it but that doesn't mean friendship can't exist, especially when you're only two persons alone. I know it's a yuri site but come on, just because two girls stay a long time together, more so when they are fighting, doesn't .mean they're automatically gay for each other. Your last sentence sound like it's not possible that they're just close friends.

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Sakura Cartelet Apr 19, 2020 2:44PM

@Nevri By canon lesbian I assume you mean Rika right? I ship her and Ren (whose feeling are more ambiguous). Although even in the case of Rika she ends up regretting her wish because she feels the wish effectively brainwashed the other girl into loving her. She later confesses this to Hinano who doesn't think of her as being disgusting for the wish.

On an unrelated note, I'm still looking for a good partner for Ashley Taylor (NA exclusive magical girl) besides Riko Chiaki (11), Rika (already taken), and Emiri/Emily...

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Nevri Apr 19, 2020 2:53PM

@Lilliwyt I'm messing with you. I agree it can still be friendship, but it also is very easily shipable and the experience they had could easily lead to romantic feelings. If they were boy and girl instead of 2 girls, I bet everyone would say they dated and nobody would ever question it (man, I really hate that double standard). Especially considering the kind of live megucas live leads to them bonding more strong with other megucas over their shared experience/fate, Yachiyo and Mifuyu could easily develop feelings for each other, even if they'd never acknowledge them and just treat them as a matter of fact/thought it was still just friendship, but as you said, technically, nothing is confirmed.

@Sakura Cartelet Yes Rika and yes I know her whole deal. Ren was my favorite girl when I first started playing and I rolled her banner and I ship her hard with Rika and lucky for me game pretty much made her and Ren canon so. Also I'm not sure what you tried to imply with spoiler portion.

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EvelineClariss Apr 19, 2020 2:56PM

@Lilliwyt shipping is a mess, it's not uncommon in fandoms for characters to be shipped together because of the very little things, MagiReco is not different (looking at you, NanaHazu). I'd say that compared to other cases, there is some solid base for the "Mifuyu is her ex" headcanon, which is why most of the NA fanbase prefers YachiMifu as a "safe" option to YachiIro.

Holy cow this got really long, i hope the mods don't get angry

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Sakura Cartelet Apr 19, 2020 3:06PM

@Nevri The spoilered part was from Rika's side story which details her wish and how she reacted after finding out what it really did to her beloved (who was not Ren at the time). She also talks with Hinano about this and Hinano consoles her (like a good big or in her case "little sister" would). I don't have Ren in my party so I have no opinion on Ren's side story which according to the wiki is a continuation of Rika's.

@EvelineClariss I don't think the mods will get too mad since we're discussing Magia Record ships, characters relationships (whether they are romantic, sexual, or otherwise) and how they relate to this image. Maybe anyway?

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Nevri Apr 19, 2020 3:15PM

@Sakura Cartelet I know. I read it xD I just am not sure what you were trying to say by mentioning it. Also I don't really think telling backstories are spoilers. And we spoiled half of the main story from the game already.

Mods shouldn't get mad until we actually start insulting each other etc. Since we keep it civil, it should be fine, then again walls of text aren't really place in comments, but from experience I know it only happened because it's here. If we try taking it somewhere else, the discussion will die immediately.

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EvelineClariss Apr 19, 2020 3:15PM

@Sakura Cartelet the entirety of the Rika arc goes like this: Rika's Story -> Ren's story -> Rika's story on the second Valentine's event, which is not out on NA yet.

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Nevri Apr 19, 2020 3:17PM

There's also Ren's event which also shows Rika's and Ren's relationship.

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EvelineClariss Apr 19, 2020 3:19PM

Yeah, but i don't remember that one adressing Rika's issues directly, but since by the time of the events of the RikaRen dual unit, Rika seems to be dealing well with her Magic, i guess it's worth mentioning it as well

Our anime only friend @BV is probably lost right now...

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Veya Apr 19, 2020 3:20PM

Oh, something fun to mention, is that our friendly neighborhood adjuster Mitama actually ships certain pairings, including Rika & Ren(visible in Mitama's own personal training story), and Masara & Kokoro(outright calling the two of them out on being too dense to understand their own feelings at the end of Masara's personal story), and considering how Mitama's adjusting works, there is a good chance that she understands how these girls feel better than they do themselves.

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Veya Apr 19, 2020 3:26PM

Oh, oh, oh! Since we are talking RikaRen, while this doesn't progress their arcs in any particular way, there is a very touching scene in chapter 8 of the main story where, shortly after learning the truth about Witches, Rika is kinda freaking out(as are most girls), but Ren tells her that even knowing the truth and how harsh it is, she doesn't regret becoming a meguca one bit, because it led to her to meeting Rika in first place, which is just such a precious scene in general...

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Nevri Apr 19, 2020 3:33PM

Right! That was great. First it was Rika that helped Ren find something worth living for and then it was Ren's turn to give the same support to Rika when she was at her lowest point. That was indeed very beautiful scene! Also that line that they become megucas to find each other. I'd disagree with it not progressing, especially since I feel like that line is as close as we're going to get to officially confirming them. Outside of duo unit. I don't know what the christmas story is about, but I bet it's gay.

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BugDevil Apr 19, 2020 3:36PM

It's probably best if you move this discussion to the official thread https://dynasty-scans.com/forum/topics/15913-magia-record-puella-magi-madoka-magica-side-story-doujin-discussion

The mods around here aren't exceptionally patient. If they didn't do anything about this they would actually be downright hypocrites. So it's better to try and avoid it.

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Sakura Cartelet Apr 19, 2020 3:51PM

I'm taking further discussion to the linked page. Anyone who wants to keep discussing can find my comments there.

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OrangePekoe Apr 19, 2020 4:50PM

While this has basically been resolved on its own - and anyone who wants to continue should hop on to the discussion thread - I just wanted to clarify something.

If they didn't do anything about this they would actually be downright hypocrites.

This is probably more an issue of inconsistency rather than hypocrisy. Personally, as long as everyone is staying respectful and constructive, I don't see any issue. As Nevri said, it's entirely possible that moving the discussion kills it. We mods shouldn't be killing discussion without good reason, I'd hope.

I'm taking further discussion to the linked page. Anyone who wants to keep discussing can find my comments there.

And thank you! :)

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BV Apr 19, 2020 5:37PM

Our anime only friend @BV is probably lost right now...

The reason why I am lost rn is because I took the previous 3 hours to watch history documentaries, so I have 3 hours worth of comments to catch up to. Will navigate my way towards y'all eventually.

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BugDevil Apr 20, 2020 2:10AM

@OrangePekoe
You are just one of the more moderate mods. Long discussions on image sections (no matter its contents or tone) get nearly always deleted. The main reason apparently being that it clogs the image comments. This one got lucky.

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Xvnom Apr 20, 2020 2:49AM

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