ForumMy First Love Was a Beautiful "Girl" discussion

joined Jul 26, 2018

I don't know about this one, I thought It seemed interesting but then after the crossdressing guy found his friend is still in love with him he keep making fun at him, that's so scummy, you don't just make fun of someone who is heartbroken.
Makes me not want to read anymore, maybe this just rubbed me the wrong way...

Wait this is the same author from Nanashi no Asterism, yeah I think I'm dropping this one if it doesn't improve soon, not gonna go through the same clusterfuck again.

I don't know If I'm imagining this, but this smile could express sadness somehow.
If the author decides to put some drama in this manga, It would start right there...

I hope this is the case, if he's putting a front to hide some past trauma then his attitude could be understandable.

Yuu
joined Mar 28, 2015

This is so predictable, it's painful.

Utenaanthy01
joined Aug 4, 2018

What's with this author and the color yellow? I've seen several stories by Kobayashi Kina where the pages are normal black-and-white pages except that seemingly random spots in seemingly random panels are colored yellow...

I find it weird, too.

Utenaanthy01
joined Aug 4, 2018

Wait this is the same author from Nanashi no Asterism, yeah I think I'm dropping this one if it doesn't improve soon, not gonna go through the same clusterfuck again.

Rotflmao.
That's how most people feel about NnA all right. Remember the "classification of love triangles" meme? I don't need to remind you which one of the six basic triangles NnA is, do I?

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joined Feb 7, 2014

Love is love

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joined May 1, 2018

AND THEY WERE ROOMATES!!

joined Jul 31, 2018

I had a stroke trying to understand the title.
Otherwise, this is interesting

joined Aug 11, 2014

sigh another "I'm just a cross-dressing guy, totally not trans" story. I've never really heard of a man staying in drag in their public life just because its a fun hobby they enjoy. It's just not something that really happens. Sure there are people who like to do the whole drag queen and drag king thing as a hobby, but the only time someone's gonna go through the effort to present like that throughout their daily life is if they're trans. I don't get why writers (of already gay material) need to bend backwards to portray this trope instead of just writing the story as it would occur in real life, which would be with a trans character.

Yeah, like... I'm still into yaoi with crossdressing, because characters that fuck with gender like that are great, but this whole trope of "I dress like a girl at all times, I take pride in how good I look as a girl, and I get really fulfilled and happy when people see me as a girl, but I'm still totes a guy in the end" really just feels like trans het romance for cowards, sometimes. Like, I'm sure you can find real life guys who would be like that, it just feels a bit... stale, I guess? It's kind of frustrating that these stories always seem to come with the subtext of "it's all funny and cute if it's just crossdressing, but if they actually sincerely think of themselves as a girl, then it's not fun anymore".

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joined Sep 16, 2013

While this site sure is more yuri focused, please keep non yuri work on here. Really Dynasty Reader has my favorite online manga reader UI by far I just love reading anything on here.

Also this is real funny I’m excited about it.

it really is a super nice reader and that sort of doesn't get said enough

Nuku_nuku_13
joined Aug 27, 2013

This would only work for me if Ren was secretly in love with Tougo for all these years as well. Otherwise the jokes get really old...
Plus: It isn't gay if one or both parties are dressed like a girl!

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joined Feb 9, 2015

I​ like​ both​ yuri​ and​ yaoi.​ When​ a​ girl​ pair​s​ with​ a​ girl, it​ I​s​ better​ to​ pair​ guys​ together.​ Win-win​ situation

Jhkjhk
joined Jan 7, 2014

Sad how someone with such a nice, simple art style is so fucking awful at writing.

52722-l
joined Nov 8, 2017

I usually don't read yaoi, but this is cute. =3=

Me either (in my defense, I'm a straight guy lol), but this looks like a good read.

Popcorn
joined Jun 5, 2015

I never found funny the "you look and act like a perfect girl I'd totally date, but you're a guy so you're out of question" joke, doubly so when person in question is a actual trans woman, but it was played for laughs so many times, at this point it is just such boring cliche, I wish it died already.

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Ump9
joined Nov 11, 2018

I never found funny the "you look and act like a perfect girl I'd totally date, but you're a guy so you're out of question" joke, doubly so when person in question is a actual trans woman, but it was played for laughs so many times, at this point it is just such boring cliche, I wish it died already.

I'm in agreement. The heteronormativity that inhibits this archetypal conflict is extremely stale.

"But I can't be with a ///guy///!!!!1"
Like yeah you could mate if you weren't such a fucking coward

On a side note it's pretty exhausting that these stories so rarely have any genuine concept of the trans experience. And even if we validate the cliche of characters rejecting the idea of romance with cisgendered crossdressers like their tendencies are just a deviant hobby, translations could stand to stop using "drag" as though it has the same connotation.

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Maxresdefault
joined Feb 28, 2015

Being trap is not being trans or wanting to be trans. This is just an another manga troupe.It might be boring but I don't think they make this to offense trans people.

Popcorn
joined Jun 5, 2015

oguzhan96 posted:

Being trap is not being trans or wanting to be trans. This is just an another manga troupe.It might be boring but I don't think they make this to offense trans people.

I totally agree. It is pretty homophobic though. Also not in this case, but they do sometime use it even if character is specifically trans though. And well, I just never found it funny regardless.

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joined Jun 20, 2017

sigh another "I'm just a cross-dressing guy, totally not trans" story. I've never really heard of a man staying in drag in their public life just because its a fun hobby they enjoy. It's just not something that really happens. Sure there are people who like to do the whole drag queen and drag king thing as a hobby, but the only time someone's gonna go through the effort to present like that throughout their daily life is if they're trans. I don't get why writers (of already gay material) need to bend backwards to portray this trope instead of just writing the story as it would occur in real life, which would be with a trans character.

Well, I've actually seen people who fit the "stays in drag in daily life but actually indentifies as male" thing. But I agree with you, the fact that this is kinda of an estabilished trope while the trans experience keeps being pretty much ignored feels really, really wrong to say the least

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joined Sep 25, 2015

I love yuri and hate yaoi but if one of the guys or both if them are cute traps then I'm okay with it. I though Prunus Girl was nice.

1441805673401
joined Sep 25, 2015

sigh another "I'm just a cross-dressing guy, totally not trans" story. I've never really heard of a man staying in drag in their public life just because its a fun hobby they enjoy. It's just not something that really happens. Sure there are people who like to do the whole drag queen and drag king thing as a hobby, but the only time someone's gonna go through the effort to present like that throughout their daily life is if they're trans. I don't get why writers (of already gay material) need to bend backwards to portray this trope instead of just writing the story as it would occur in real life, which would be with a trans character.

Can you shut the fuck up about your bullshit agenda? People are just here to read a cute and funny trap story.

Torako-okay4
joined Oct 17, 2017

this feels like a mariaholic BL doujin or something

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joined Jan 5, 2015

I get a mariaholic vibe a bit. Like if they took main girl from mariaholic and made her a boy for some reason

Pod7 I had totally not read your comment when I posted mine. That said I agree 100%

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joined May 19, 2017

sigh another "I'm just a cross-dressing guy, totally not trans" story. I've never really heard of a man staying in drag in their public life just because its a fun hobby they enjoy. It's just not something that really happens. Sure there are people who like to do the whole drag queen and drag king thing as a hobby, but the only time someone's gonna go through the effort to present like that throughout their daily life is if they're trans. I don't get why writers (of already gay material) need to bend backwards to portray this trope instead of just writing the story as it would occur in real life, which would be with a trans character.

Can you shut the fuck up about your bullshit agenda? People are just here to read a cute and funny trap story.

No one is trying to take away your cute trap story, they where simply using free speech to express their opinion on the story. I know you right wing types have a hard time understanding this but discussing issues with something is not the same thing as wanting to destroy it.

last edited at Dec 8, 2018 5:09PM

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joined Aug 10, 2011

sigh another "I'm just a cross-dressing guy, totally not trans" story. I've never really heard of a man staying in drag in their public life just because its a fun hobby they enjoy. It's just not something that really happens. Sure there are people who like to do the whole drag queen and drag king thing as a hobby, but the only time someone's gonna go through the effort to present like that throughout their daily life is if they're trans. I don't get why writers (of already gay material) need to bend backwards to portray this trope instead of just writing the story as it would occur in real life, which would be with a trans character.

Can you shut the fuck up about your bullshit agenda? People are just here to read a cute and funny trap story.

No one is trying to take away your cute trap story, they where simply using free speech to express their opinion on the story. I know you right wing types have a hard time understanding this but discussing issues with something is not the same thing as wanting to destroy it.

Yes, marginalizing an entire group of people, like say crossdressers, and saying that stories about them should not exist so that the authors of those stories instead write about a group of people you'd like to see glorified is a very 'left wing' thing to do. Not that crossdressing homosexuals make up an entire culture whose message you're asking be appropriated to fit some other narrative. It's not like saying "as it would occur in real life, which would be with a trans character" is some sort of attempt to delegitimize and erase a real group of marginalized people simply because from your cultural perspective you don't have contact with such people and thus don't understand the appeal of stories from that point of view.

Almost like drawing battle lines demanding depiction is easier than aiming for representation of all cultural viewpoints and allows it to be a narrative of us versus them instead of taking what exists and having a more enriched understanding of it through the lens of the culture it's written in. As we all know if you're in favor of casting persons of color in movies you can't also be guilty of whitewashing or even racism towards other groups, since being on the right side for inclusion and diversity is about waving the flag of one or two groups and not about wanting the full range of cultures to be able to tell their own stories from their own view points.

The fact that someone so willing to trample on a work written from another perspective simply to win the "I'm the most underrepresented" prize would call someone else a "right wing type" shows a complete lack of human empathy. You certainly may "not want to destroy" this (although given the above quote "not something that really happens" that seems a bit disingenuous) , but that doesn't mean you have some high ground to demand it be changed to fit your experiences instead of the experiences of crossdressing homosexuals, and it certainly puts you on the level of everyone who was upset that the cast of the new Lion King was black instead of the original cast.

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joined Aug 11, 2014

Yes, marginalizing an entire group of people, like say crossdressers, and saying that stories about them should not exist

...There is so much manga about crossdressing gay dudes. So much. Not all of it is good, or even respectful, but there's unquestionably an abundance of it. I can think of maybe a handful of manga that even have trans characters in them, let alone being a major part of the story. I know you clearly spent a long time on your post, but it really comes off as so much empty bluster when you're acting like people wishing for something other than the thousandth "I swear I'm not gay but he looks really good in a skirt" story is secretly an attempt trying to erase the concept of crossdressing.

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