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[...] I was just stating my view and if you feel offended, then I'll say the same thing you said, that's your problem.

Apologies if my text sounded aggressive, it wasn't supposed to. Actually, I was trying to explain why people may like it (why it's popular) despite the fact that you, and others, think it's not good. My disgust about the "objectively" good type of argument is that most of the time people use it to state their opinion as facts(1), to make their critics indisputable and, most of the time, to shit on a story they don't like for free.

The second paragraph isn't directed at you (at all) but was to address the "it's already been done 12986 billions of times everywhere else" critic that is used for basically almost every piece of work out there (not only Citrus). Ironically, I could have sounded a bit annoyed right there.

(1)Specifically, why is this chapter's writing objectively bad? The main complain I've seen is that it comes from nowhere but I can, and I did, write that this isn't the case. The context of Mei's family and country perfectly justifies the (strong) possibility of Mei getting engaged once again to a man if she chose to pursue her objective : becoming the new director of the school. We understand what is going on, we know the stakes and it holds within the context of the story : how can it be bad writing "objectively"?

I was going to talk more about objectivity, but it already has been done in here and didn't lead anywhere.


I think it's hilarious. They're probably that obvious to everyone but nobody paid any mind because it's very unlikely.

EDIT: From the looks of it, Harumin probably didn't hear it. She is more concerned about Matsuri rather than her outburst.

I was wondering if all their closest friends knew already but were like "let's pretend we didn't see anything so they can be happy". Shirapon figured it out last volume and apparently Eyebrow-san knows about it judging by her lack of reaction and Shirapon's explanation about her worries.

For Harumin.. There is the possibility she didn't really get the outburst. Though, she probably knows Yuzu the best, she knows Yuzu as a lover, I think Yuzu has basically confessed during vol5 that she met her lover in the school and she probably figured it out during the trip. I don't know if she is protecting Matsuri or Yuzu or both by taking Matsuri away. I wonder what they said afterwards, probably nothing.


But seriously, if it's just the plain "I love you" then why go through the effort of having it interrupted? What's the point? And of course, since this is a manga, they don't talk to each other for the rest of the night or continue it the next day. Because that's how conversations work. /s

She said "Me too" as well, I didn't remember it, but that's pretty definite. Translator-san, I need you, where, word for word, is Mei interrupted in Japanese?

As to why it was interrupted, coincidence? Dramatic effect? Lazy writing ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)? Mei already has acknowledged her feelings for Yuzu in vol4, this is just teasing I guess, I don't think it's that big of a deal story wise, it is just for Yuzu. Also, they could talk about something else, something less embarrassing. One of the issue they had since the beginning of the story is that Mei is bad at communicating. Not everybody has the strength to sit around a table a discuss calmly of every issue they have every days, though.

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joined Sep 18, 2014

I don't know if she is protecting Matsuri or Yuzu or both by taking Matsuri away.

Probably both. It's in her character.

I wonder what they said afterwards, probably nothing.

Probably in an omake, like all major HaruMatsu interactions.

last edited at Oct 23, 2017 11:11AM

Dark_Tzitzimine
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joined Dec 18, 2013

Ok, here's a look at the anime's staff

I wonder if Saburota is there?

And an amazing anon did a quick scan of the anthology book and shared it on the Citrus thread on /u/. The whole thing is pure gold but this was my favorite part

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joined Mar 29, 2017

So there are 4 direction at this fork.1 Mel has another guy lined up for her hand ends with him being turned down. 2 Mel has no suiter and this was all a troll. 3 Mel has a fiance and wrote it down herself but it's Yuzu. 4 some bullshit to add more drama.

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joined Dec 26, 2014

So there are 4 direction at this fork.1 Mel has another guy lined up for her hand ends with him being turned down. 2 Mel has no suiter and this was all a troll. 3 Mel has a fiance and wrote it down herself but it's Yuzu. 4 some bullshit to add more drama.

Mei*

Gt00pn-odpc
joined Sep 30, 2017

Oh, come on, man! Just let them happily fuck each other already!

Rin
joined Aug 4, 2017

Woof, that was a tough pill to swallow. I can let the fiance thing slip by since we're made aware that it happens in the beginning... But things probably would have rolled a lot smoother if we had seen arranged marriages happen throughout the manga for this moment, whether through background characters or even dialogue like "oh did you hear xxxx is getting married". That way if it was going to be important we wouldn't have forgotten it was a thing.

A shame the art is as rough as it gets. Looks like someone's been really busy with the anime and all the events going on. Hope to see it fixed for volume 9.

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joined Sep 25, 2013

Chapter 14 has been updated thanks to Chaosteam (pages 4, 6, 7 that were unfinished by SU were replaced with finished ones from volume).

Copy90_90_zpscf246422
joined Sep 18, 2014

This not even including the fact Sabou can't even finish her shit and just delivers half-assed sketches.

It's the exception, not the norm.

why do most of you insist the art is "good"?

It looks pretty. A strange cross between a shoujo style and a BL style.

Also, nice to finally know how Yuzu's mom and Mei's father met. So I guess Shou just married her for convenience.

last edited at Oct 24, 2017 12:16PM

Capture
joined Dec 12, 2016

Finally, the mystery of the parents marriage is solved. Yuzus mom never seemed like the type to marry for money so it was odd she would marry a man out of nowhere who was never going to be around.

last edited at Oct 24, 2017 12:19PM

67763073_p3
joined Dec 18, 2013

Man,both Ume and Shou are such fucking screw ups that make Yuzu and Mei's own issues seem normal. No wonder Mei is a total social retard and Yuzu has an almost pathological need to help people.

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joined Jun 28, 2017

So the mom and dad never get married??

Lalala Ñañaña
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joined Oct 6, 2015

So the mom and dad never get married??

I'm sure they did, otherwise Yuzu wouldn't be an Aihara.

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joined Apr 27, 2014

Ok, here's a look at the anime's staff

https://i.imgur.com/IJnXjoN.jpg

I wonder if Saburota is there?

And an amazing anon did a quick scan of the anthology book and shared it on the Citrus thread on /u/. The whole thing is pure gold but this was my favorite part

https://i.imgur.com/ELWt1sv.jpg

Meh I do love the art ... but what I want to know is what is this and what is going on??!!

I'd love to see a picture of Saburouta, see if she looks pleased making us suffer :3

last edited at Oct 24, 2017 10:53PM by Nezchan

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joined Jun 23, 2017

Love me some backstory. The author really does good bonus chapters. It's a bit retroactive, but that explains or enhances Ume's distress when Mei was taken away when she knew her only for weeks.

I'd like to see more of how Ume and Shou ended to love/appreciate each other. Because Ume seemed pretty fond of Shou in the first chapters, so I think there's more than the arrangement. To be honest, I'd like to see more of Ume period.

Hanging%20chito%20ava
joined Dec 18, 2016

(1)Specifically, why is this chapter's writing objectively bad? The main complain I've seen is that it comes from nowhere but I can, and I did, write that this isn't the case. The context of Mei's family and country perfectly justifies the (strong) possibility of Mei getting engaged once again to a man if she chose to pursue her objective : becoming the new director of the school. We understand what is going on, we know the stakes and it holds within the context of the story : how can it be bad writing "objectively"?

Here're my 2 cents on why most of us think that the writing in this chap is bad, assuming that Mei actually has a new fiancé she's been hiding the entire time. The fiancé drama is brought up in vol.1 & seemingly has been dealt with in that same volume since the issue is left in the backburner for 8 fucking volumes. Then it suddenly get brought up again here with no prior lead-up. Of course people are going to complain that the development is pulled straight out of the author's ass. This same development could've been acceptable if there were some sort of foreshadowing, like what was pointed out here:

But things probably would have rolled a lot smoother if we had seen arranged marriages happen throughout the manga for this moment, whether through background characters or even dialogue like "oh did you hear xxxx is getting married". That way if it was going to be important we wouldn't have forgotten it was a thing.

The bad writing here is pretty much in the execution. Hey, it could be a red herring, tho that would render this entire chap pointless, but we'll see.

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joined Jan 18, 2014

i didn't get the "i look like daddy" bit, could someone explain please?

Mog2
joined Jul 29, 2017

Yuzu has natural black hair. When her father died, she tried to lighten them and add blonde color like we see in the extra to cheer her mother. After that, she dyed her hair in blonde to keep a connection with her father and to honor his memory as it is said in chapter 17. Her father was blonde as Ume said in the same chapter.

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joined Jun 23, 2017

i didn't get the "i look like daddy" bit, could someone explain please?

It has to do with the colour of her hair, chestnut or something else depending on the translation (scan or official), you can see she painted the "tip" or strands of her hair (I'm missing some vocabulary here, didn't find a good translation from my own language).

Then it suddenly get brought up again here with no prior lead-up.

There is in the first chapters and if you stop to think about it (her situation, etc.), so it's not completely out of her ass. That the delivery seems like she did pull it out of her ass is a more valid point.

Even then, we're (mostly) following Yuzu's pov, so the fact that we didn't get any prior clue may have to do with the fact that Yuzu doesn't remember/don't care about that stuff and that Mei has been hiding it. I prefer to wait what it will be, to see why she didn't talk about it if she really is engaged again.

last edited at Oct 24, 2017 5:24PM

Dark_Tzitzimine
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joined Dec 18, 2013

Meh I do love the art ... but what I want to know is what is this and what is going on??!!

That is from one of the stories on the anthology where Mei and Yuzu switch bodies.

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joined Aug 16, 2014

Honest question, because I genuinely want to be able to understand this: why do most of you insist the art is "good"?

Looking at it from an unbiased view, the faces look pretty, the eyes/hair look OK most of the time. But objectively, what's up with the anatomy and consistently inconsistent sizes of people/objects and their respective angles, they look hideous. This not even including the fact Sabou can't even finish her shit and just delivers half-assed sketches.

Outside of the character design, I personally don't think the art is half good. This said, you're allowed to enjoy it, I'm just curious about the reasons why.

Looking at it objectively, art in yuri in general isn't really "good". It's functional. You read it, and it (usually) doesn't get in the way of your enjoyment. Sure, there're some artists with interesting styles, but we don't have a Hiroaki Samura (or to a lesser extent, a Kentaro Miura) in yuri.
Imo, Saburouta's art still is on the higher end among the genre.

last edited at Oct 24, 2017 6:53PM

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joined Jul 17, 2016

Honest question, because I genuinely want to be able to understand this: why do most of you insist the art is "good"?

Looking at it from an unbiased view, the faces look pretty, the eyes/hair look OK most of the time. But objectively, what's up with the anatomy and consistently inconsistent sizes of people/objects and their respective angles, they look hideous. This not even including the fact Sabou can't even finish her shit and just delivers half-assed sketches.

Outside of the character design, I personally don't think the art is half good. This said, you're allowed to enjoy it, I'm just curious about the reasons why.

If you don't like it don't read it, go and read some weekly Korean manhwa shit and tell me about that art.. saburouta s art is one of the best out there whether you like it or not and before you judge the half done pages try and understand why this happened. Maybe she was sick,busy, maybe she was forced to deliver before finishing it.

But Citrus's drama is pretty much similar to Korean manwhas' drama.
Saburouta's art is good. She is pretty good at drawing faces and emotions. That's it imo. She is not above average drawing bodies, sometimes she has even done some basic anatomy mistakes, but damn she is great with faces, eyes especially. So yeah, the art is the best thing about Citrus, writing is its weak point and characters are average tier. Harumin best girl too.

last edited at Oct 24, 2017 8:13PM

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joined Dec 29, 2016

The special chapter is nice, shows the story behind Yuzu's mom and Mei's dad, I want to see more of toddler Yuzu, she's so cute and positive even at an early age. I wonder what is Mei like when she's much younger.

Hanging%20chito%20ava
joined Dec 18, 2016

Then it suddenly get brought up again here with no prior lead-up.

There is in the first chapters and if you stop to think about it (her situation, etc.), so it's not completely out of her ass. That the delivery seems like she did pull it out of her ass is a more valid point.

Yes, the fiance drama fits the context of the story, which is why I think the development wouldn't have been perceived as "out of nowhere" if it had been better executed. A plot point that was adressed already suddenly getting addressed again after several volumes of no signs that it is still a relevant part of the story just doesn't come off as a natural development.

Even then, we're (mostly) following Yuzu's pov, so the fact that we didn't get any prior clue may have to do with the fact that Yuzu doesn't remember/don't care about that stuff and that Mei has been hiding it. I prefer to wait what it will be, to see why she didn't talk about it if she is really engaged again.

Whether we follow only Yuzu's POV or not, there are always opportunities to give hints to the story developments through visual cues and/or casual dialogues/interactions (even from BG characters). The characters don't have to be aware of their situations for the writer to forshadow them to the readers.

Capture
joined Dec 21, 2016

Whatever people think, but Saburo Uta sensei's art is the most beautiful art in Yuri mangas I used to read, beside Morinaga Miruku's art. XD

She drew facial expressions too detailed, hair, and the other things, too.

Well I love this art so much. Especially I love Yuzu's appearance. She is not only beautiful, but she is also gentle. XD

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