Oh, My God. No one dismissed anything. No one said all these supposedly judgemental things. Y'all are arguing with ghosts. This manga was getting pretty much nothing but praise. Nothing wrong with heady discussions. But when it's drench in this many baseless accusations to nobody and dripping in self importance it quickly becomes tedious.
Edit: I totally agree with you ninryu, including about the short hair.

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Clearly the solution to everything is more yuri. The more different types of stories are told, they more people can find things they prefer.

Clearly the solution to everything is more yuri. The more different types of stories are told, they more people can find things they prefer.

Amen to that.

I, for one, think Hanayo looks better with short hair. It's very cute and has a 30s style air to it.

I completely agree.

Oh, My God. No one dismissed anything. No one said all these supposedly judgemental things. Y'all are arguing with ghosts. This manga was getting pretty much nothing but praise. Nothing wrong with heady discussions. But when it's drench in this many baseless accusations to nobody and dripping in self importance it quickly becomes tedious.
Edit: I totally agree with you ninryu, including about the short hair.

I know this might sound random and possibly out of place, but I feel that Temp simply wanted to express their thoughts openly about the whole concept of S-class yuri, along with some related topics, in their essay. They probably feel content with what they said now, especially since it seems like they've asked to have their account deleted. I noticed this when I tried to click on their username to read their essay on this forum, and I also came across a comment from them on another forum requesting to delete their account. :)

I know this might sound random and possibly out of place, but I feel that Temp simply wanted to express their thoughts openly about the whole concept of S-class yuri, along with some related topics, in their essay. They probably feel content with what they said now, especially since it seems like they've asked to have their account deleted. I noticed this when I tried to click on their username to read their essay on this forum, and I also came across a comment from them on another forum requesting to delete their account. :)

Well, they chose to do it in a weird accusatory way. I hope my comments had nothing to do with them deleting because I don't want that. But you can't just show up, start acting all superior and arrogant. Aggressively push back against anyone who dares disagree, including a ton of straw men and insults. Then get surprised when people start getting frustrated.

I know this might sound random and possibly out of place, but I feel that Temp simply wanted to express their thoughts openly about the whole concept of S-class yuri, along with some related topics, in their essay. They probably feel content with what they said now, especially since it seems like they've asked to have their account deleted. I noticed this when I tried to click on their username to read their essay on this forum, and I also came across a comment from them on another forum requesting to delete their account. :)

Well, they chose to do it in a weird accusatory way. I hope my comments had nothing to do with them deleting because I don't want that. But you can't just show up, start acting all superior and arrogant. Aggressively push back against anyone who dares disagree, including a ton of straw men and insults. Then get surprised when people start getting frustrated.

Yeah, I understand what you're saying, the way they approached it definitely came off as confrontational. I doubt your comments were the reason they deleted, though.

I know this might sound random and possibly out of place, but I feel that Temp simply wanted to express their thoughts openly about the whole concept of S-class yuri, along with some related topics, in their essay. They probably feel content with what they said now, especially since it seems like they've asked to have their account deleted. I noticed this when I tried to click on their username to read their essay on this forum, and I also came across a comment from them on another forum requesting to delete their account. :)

Well, they chose to do it in a weird accusatory way. I hope my comments had nothing to do with them deleting because I don't want that. But you can't just show up, start acting all superior and arrogant. Aggressively push back against anyone who dares disagree, including a ton of straw men and insults. Then get surprised when people start getting frustrated.

Yeah, I understand what you're saying, the way they approached it definitely came off as confrontational. I doubt your comments were the reason they deleted, though.

As I mentioned earlier, I think pitching the whole original wall-o-text as primarily an intervention against an amorphous group of “wrong” (Western, aggressively LGBTQ, amateur) critics rather than focusing on the OP’s analytical take on the history of the Class-S genre and its contemporary manifestations, including Dear Flowers, was a rhetorical mistake, which led to a predictable series of pushbacks by commenters and then counterproductive counter-pushback by the OP.

In academia (the discourse of which the OP’s post at least emulated), if you’re going to take on a school of critics, the default strategy is to name names and quote or paraphrase the opponents’ specific arguments rather than making sweeping characterizations about past and present readers, bloggers, forum commenters, etc.

Ultimately the core of that analytical take made me think about the Class-S genre in new and, to me, interesting ways, and I’m sorry that the OP won’t be around to follow up on their ideas about that genre. (For instance, I would have welcomed hearing Temp’s take on my favorite hot-mess Class-S yuri series, Strawberry Panic! lol)

If they only wanted to talk about the importance of Class S they shouldn't have to attack "realistic yuri", that was a weird take, and them getting defensive and doubling down certainly doesn't make them look good. If you make a hot take you should be ready to a push back and criticism, otherwise it's better to mention it at all.

I am a nuanced and sophisticated academic.

Flees at minor criticism.

As I mentioned earlier, I think pitching the whole original wall-o-text as primarily an intervention against an amorphous group of “wrong” (Western, aggressively LGBTQ, amateur) critics rather than focusing on the OP’s analytical take on the history of the Class-S genre and its contemporary manifestations, including Dear Flowers, was a rhetorical mistake, which led to a predictable series of pushbacks by commenters and then counterproductive counter-pushback by the OP.

Basically. Like I agree with a lot of their points but opening their essay by framing the 'vulgar realist' as a mostly western chauvinism phenomenon and then writing

I think it should be possible to critique a way of thinking and speaking without making assumptions about a person's character or background or education or nationality, which is something that is all too often done as a way of discrediting arguments.

is just a little bit rich.

I'd pick a fight over it but they're not here anymore, so I guess I'll spare everyone the wall of text.

I liked their touching session c: Do it again.

This is my drug

The author is cooking something crazy. Thank you Noighd for having incredible taste in yuri and translating them with such care!!

God they are so fucking gay, jesus

Also did you fucks seriously bully temp off here? They were my favourite poster on this site, I loved reading their long winded lit theory posts, seriously. One of the only of people I've ever seen comment around here who actually had something valuable to say. I'm sad now.

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I said my piece in the credits so you're spared the wall of text today but here's some little touches I liked:
Kasumi unconsciously reaching to pull the ribbon loose, like ejecting from the roleplay. They did remain in character the whole time, even in Kasumi's thoughts.
It's a bit subtle but Haruyo immediately switches from kouhai to Onee-sama mode when she notices something is wrong with Kasumi. They're not always waiting for the ribbons.
If you want a hint on the "question", think between current goofy Paruyo and the very first letter.

This series is the bomb.

(Um, wait—do people actually say something is “the bomb” anymore? If not, whatever people now say instead of “the bomb,” this series is that.)

When she says "it turns me on" on page 8, is that really that explicit? Cause that language doesn't feel like part of the roleplay.

I can't read.

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The cover to chapter 6 was so adorable! I want to make it my phone wallpaper :)

just chiming in to say thanks so much for the in-depth notes on the translation/background details of the series! the care put into it is really on display (not that this is any less true of the translation itself!) and they're always very interesting to read

just chiming in to say thanks so much for the in-depth notes on the translation/background details of the series! the care put into it is really on display (not that this is any less true of the translation itself!) and they're always very interesting to read

I feel the same way. The translator's note for this are extremely helpful for understanding the nuance. It's like the translators are wanting us, the casual reader, to enjoy it as much as they do. Nice.

This series is the bomb.

(Um, wait—do people actually say something is “the bomb” anymore? If not, whatever people now say instead of “the bomb,” this series is that.)

I occasionally say "it's the bomb", but I'm way too old to be here.

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just chiming in to say thanks so much for the in-depth notes on the translation/background details of the series! the care put into it is really on display (not that this is any less true of the translation itself!) and they're always very interesting to read

I feel the same way. The translator's note for this are extremely helpful for understanding the nuance. It's like the translators are wanting us, the casual reader, to enjoy it as much as they do. Nice.

Totally agree. I’d think it would be hard enough for manga translators to decide standard problems like the “first-person pronoun,” “like/love,” and honorifics issues, but a story where the changing registers of Japanese speech are so central to the story itself must be a truly daunting project.

I really appreciate the stellar work being done on this very interesting and enjoyable series.

Thank you Blamey, thank you so much for struggling a whole day about the "like/love" then coming up with "I care so much for you" that single line almost made me bawling my eyes out

can they get anymore cuter holy shit, they are so wholesome together