Yume probably missed it, but I really hope Chisaki at least thinks to ask why she has a card for a lesbian bar in Shinjuku and knows not to go there in school uniform. (⁠｡⁠•̀⁠ᴗ⁠-⁠)⁠✧

Of course, she can just say that she was dragged there by Aya, or that she knows someone working there. Entirely true in both cases, even.

this is super illicit highly illegal barred restricted stuff

Yume probably missed it, but I really hope Chisaki at least thinks to ask why she has a card for a lesbian bar in Shinjuku and knows not to go there in school uniform. (⁠｡⁠•̀⁠ᴗ⁠-⁠)⁠✧

Of course, she can just say that she was dragged there by Aya, or that she knows someone working there. Entirely true in both cases, even.

Chisaki: "And you just happened to have the business card at the ready, just on the off chance you'd meet some lesbians (that you only recently admitted exist) in need? Sure, pal, I believe you."

Good to see this manga again, thanks!

It lives? Super awesome!
The story looks really fun and intriguing!
Hope to see more in due time!

I just discovered this and I mostly like it so far but I like how the bartender woman is pretty much a self admitted pedophile through and through and everyone is fine with it because oh those wacky sex crazed predator lesbians be careful don’t get them riled up or they’ll pounce on you! Like why on earth would you write this when it betrays the whole point of the story and our man characters journey of self discovery ? Cmon man

Also this bartender owns a establishment that serves alcohol, allows minors where she can easily prey on said minors and has several beds set up where she lets said minors have sex in, this shit just gets worse the more I think about it lmao

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So glad this is still here. This got nuked in Mdex

With the hindsight of a year or two, that one part feels even more surreal. Most of volumes 1-2 conjure a pretty straight-forward smutty romance with a dubcon and "straight girl" conversion theme, but then... The reader is probably not supposed to think anything of what happened in chapter 8-9, and were it a random one-shot I wouldn't either, but the speed at which the story moves on and switches gear to romance and coming-of-age fluff turns it into an elephant in the room for me. I know I'm supposed to forget about it, but... I mean, it's right there.

This is not meant to be criticism exactly, I'm just processing. I find the decision to interrupt the lighthearted lesbian smut with unambiguous sex crimes, only to sweep them under the rug expeditiously, fascinating. It's exactly because the rest of the story is so cute that that part sticks out so much to me. Rather than 'unrealistic' its very randomness makes it feel more 'realistic', even though Teren Mikami, agent of chaos that they are, probably just thought it would be funny.

Ch 8, the 'rape' scene? I think it's mostly confusingly (poorly?) written. It's not just that the story moves past it or forgets about; right in that scene Marika switches from "no" to "let me pleasure you". And then right afterwards they're cuddling and Marika is asking "what do you really think of me?"

Rape, or Marika playing hard to get, or existing consensual non-consent? Aya probably thought it was the second or third. And even Marika's own thoughts don't really clarify her feelings: "if you really hate it that much, just push her away and go home."

In my limited experience with noncon smut, the receiving character's enjoyment of being subjected to non-consensual sex is not a bug but a feature a lot of the time. But what is depicted is still, you know, sexual activity without consent, which is why this kind of thing normally bumps up the darkness level of any long-form story. A random porn oneshot with the standard "no means yes" package has less need to concern itself with continuity or tone, but these girls started out having sex under some form of consensual agreement, then arrived at "no means yes", and finally went back to consensual sex again. It's not that I think Marika 'should' have been traumatized, but there is room between that and a total lack of any serious reflection. (Aya started stripping Marika and fingering her when the latter was having doubts about Aya's intentions. Aya kind of steamrolled her there, much more so than any time before.)

The reason why I also included chapter 9 in the surreal-sex-crime-whiplash is because that's where Marika, the protagonist, finds out that Aya and at least one other girl was sexually exploited by the owner of the lesbian bar where Aya works at. She even reacts with "that's... that's illegal". The story then swiftly turns up the fluff and moves on from this plot point as well like a funny anecdote.

This following up of the sudden, relatively dark plot points with fluffy sweet romance in ch. 10 and after, creates that strange and disorienting effect I mentioned. And yet, I'm not willing to write off the whole series because Mikami's writing has a charm to it, and the central relationship is otherwise pretty easy to like. I'm conflicted, hence the paragraphs.

Also this bartender owns a establishment that serves alcohol, allows minors where she can easily prey on said minors and has several beds set up where she lets said minors have sex in, this shit just gets worse the more I think about it lmao

Yeah, I wonder what Teren Mikami was cooking there. It's such a cheeky movement, and it's dropped in with little to no buildup or resolution.

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Okay, after rereading a bit, I think I understand the crux of my issue with chapter 8. Marika is feeling really vulnerable in that chapter because she had just seen Aya with another girl, while she's growing more conscious of her own feelings. She meets with Aya anyway, but for the first time she makes it clear that she's not in the mood for the usual stuff.

So I feel like this could have been the time where Aya backs off for once, and asks if Marika is okay. An awkward moment where Marika can't tell her anything without losing their bet then could have been followed by the encounter with Asta and so on. The explanation about Aya's relationship with Asta and Marika figuring out that Aya likes her happens in chapter 9 anyway, so I think their first time as a couple in chapter 10 could have had a bigger impact if their usual routine had been interrupted in chapter 8, leaving the girls and the reader hanging. If Aya, who had liked Marika for a long time, had shown a bit more sensitivity when it mattered.

An alternative is that chapter 8 proceeds the same, but then after the encounter with Asta, Marika could be a little bit more visibly hurt. I mean, right after she convinced herself that it was actually fine that Aya had her way with her as usual despite Marika feeling insecure and clearly saying she wasn't in the mood, a girl shows up calling herself Aya's sex friend. It makes sense that she still won't admit why exactly it hurts to see Aya with someone else, but not even a little choked up, no almost-cry?

Well, people can disagree, and maybe Teren Mikami knows something I don't. I do stand by my take that this plot point was not treated with enough weight, given that while yes, Marika technically protests through all of their previous encounters, the way she refuses in chapter 8 is more serious, so the end result feels like the narrative taking a brief dip into noncon at least.

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So I feel like this could have been the time where Aya backs off for once, and asks if Marika is okay. An awkward moment where Marika can't tell her anything without losing their bet then could have been followed by the encounter with Asta and so on. The explanation about Aya's relationship with Asta and Marika figuring out that Aya likes her happens in chapter 9 anyway, so I think their first time as a couple in chapter 10 could have had a bigger impact if their usual routine had been interrupted in chapter 8, leaving the girls and the reader hanging. If Aya, who had liked Marika for a long time, had shown a bit more sensitivity when it mattered.

Yeah...That pretty much just one of the few only gripes I had about this series (Plus Aya smug attitude at times and deceitful lying a few times to MC)...Everyone has their own tastes but you pretty much hit the nail on how I would preferred the story would be handled regarding that chapter/event...non-consensual roleplay is fine...as long as both parties know about it beforehand (Safety word!) but MC was not in the mood for SEGGS due to seeing her potential love interest seeing another girl in secret... (Pretty much one of her Ex kind-of partner involved in the former relationship with the owner bar as well...So technically Asta is not lying...).

But overall it's a decent series for most people...Not perfect one tho since it's irks me and some people due to some choices the author made for the story flow though.
Tho...Teren Mikami technically did a interrupted event in another series [there's no way i can have a lover unless] so could have gone that route too [MC would have gotten eaten too from being sweep up in the movement if her Sis didn't interrupt and MC got embarrassed enough to lash out]...but eh I guess author just felt like going that direction for this series...*Shrug* Eh, It's the author's story I guess?

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I'm not saying the chapter was handled well, but I don't think Aya was doing malicious rape. They're basically a couple of 16 year olds re-inventing power-exchange BDSM with no guidance and not enough communication. Aya thinks she's "bought" Marika (CNC) and they have no safeword. Ch 8 is why that's a bad idea. Fortunately Marika ends up more into it than hurt, but it could have turned out very badly.

LN spoilers: Aya finally introduces the idea of a 'safe word' 1/3 of the way into LN2

I'm not saying the chapter was handled well, but I don't think Aya was doing malicious rape. They're basically a couple of 16 year olds re-inventing power-exchange BDSM with no guidance and not enough communication. Aya thinks she's "bought" Marika (CNC) and they have no safeword.

Well, I'm not that invested in calling it that (notice how I've avoided the word so far). My criticism has been about how the scene interacts with the surrounding narrative, so I'm not here to prosecute Aya Fuwa.

Also, not to be too woke or anything, but wouldn't "malicious rape" imply the existence of "benign rape"? I assume you just meant Aya was not acting out of malice, which is fair enough, but that is quite the unfortunate phrasing...

Ch 8 is why that's a bad idea. Fortunately Marika ends up more into it than hurt, but it could have turned out very badly.

I don't think chapter 8 shows it to be a bad idea. Marika would have to be affected in some way, or the story would have to comment on it in some other way, in order to say something about it. ...Not that I would fault a lesbian bodice ripper (shout-out to Me-A Scans for planting "lesbian bodice ripper" in my brain) romcom for not being didactic about the dangers of bodice ripping.

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In the spirit of “problematic fave”…

I think it’s entirely possible to have good intentions, to misunderstand signals, and to screw up consent. This is why a lot of our ingrained culture around consent treats it as a huge deal and that there’s no room for nuance. It doesn’t help that they have had messed up boundaries including around “no” since chapter 6 and that in chapter 8 Marika’s internal thoughts seem legit conflicted and confused. Ultimately what someone considers a violation is often decided after the fact… this is a good real life reason to not mess with the boundary, as after the fact accusations do happen in dating and D/s. On the receiving end it’s super possible to be like “I’m ok with this” and then later be like “I was really not ok with that” - sort of the opposite of what Marika does here? If someone decides after the fact that they weren’t actually ok with it, then it is in fact not consensual at all. Only do D/s with people you really trust and communicate well with, full stop, and that definitely isn’t where Marika and Aya are at with each other…

In this case Marika decides to participate and eventually with some enthusiasm. I am not saying this is a good thing or that it’s good writing, but I don’t think it’s especially jarring or inconsistent. I like the characters and complexity and story a lot, but acknowledge it’s problematic and can normalize coercion if read uncritically.

wouldn't "malicious rape" imply the existence of "benign rape"

No, imply 'accidental' or 'unintentional' or 'miscommunication' rape. Like how we divide killing into deliberate murder, negligent manslaughter, and outright accidents, among other divisions. No need for a 'benign' level.

I would prefer either of Doctor_Hoot’s story beats, now that I really think about it. Liking something doesn’t mean is doesn’t have flaws.

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/a_yuri_story_about_a_girl_who_insists_its_impossible_for_two_girls_to_get_together_completely_falling_within_100_days_ch11#31

yes, yes it does

... So what are the usual terms in Japan then, if not "yuri"? Is it just "GL"? That feels so boring...

(And also doesn't come prepackaged with pretty flower imagery!)

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... So what are the usual terms in Japan then, if not "yuri"? Is it just "GL"? That feels so boring...

(And also doesn't come prepackaged with pretty flower imagery!)

I see mangaka use Yuri all the time on their social media, so I think it's a personal preference and mileage will vary thing

... So what are the usual terms in Japan then, if not "yuri"? Is it just "GL"? That feels so boring...

(And also doesn't come prepackaged with pretty flower imagery!)

Everything pretty much uses yuri (lilly), and it's also used for tags on most Japanese purchase websites that I use. I can't remember seeing anything else being used actually.

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