Incest is bad, incest is weird, incest shouldn't exist even if is one side secret attraction for your sister.
Let's not have this debate, please.

Someone saying they are bored of hearing the same couple of sentences repeated over and over, month after month, is not the same as disagreeing with the content of the sentences. If someone started to spam this thread with "vaccines work" and "5g is harmless", I would find it annoying, but not because I don't believe in vaccines or because I'm a 5G truther. In the same manner, commenting on the sheer volume of complaints that Miki Is A Disgusting Siscon, does not constitute an attempt at defending 'incest', or an invitation to debate. I hope I managed to clarify that for you.

Ah, and of course saying that Miki deserves love and kindness also does not constitute a defense of 'incest'. She has not committed any crime, and there is no reason to assume her inappropriate feelings for her sister (which she wants to get over) make her any more dangerous to Aya than the average girl from their school is.

Actually I'm kind of glad people are skipping this arc and are being vocal about not wanting incest on their favorite fictional stories when is so unnecessary and it shouldn't be normalized compare incest with same sex attraction as this endless speech about all kinds of love/attraction being valid or being similar experiences. Incest is very harmful even if Miki is not acting on it...Aya was unrealistic compressive about all that fiasco, and yeah, she's going to fix Miki...or I hope so.

Well at the end Miki's attraction/love for her sister served no purpose to her development as character or the story an was so far from the main characters to even matter, she didn't get over it or acted on it to cause some drama (even if was so against it).

I'm not arguing more about this, this is not an GRR Martin book to be speaking about incest this much xc.

Ah, and of course saying that Miki deserves love and kindness also does not constitute a defense of 'incest'. She has not committed any crime, and there is no reason to assume her inappropriate feelings for her sister (which she wants to get over) make her any more dangerous to Aya than the average girl from their school is.

Exactly this.

I'm tired of seeing incest as a trope in manga/anime in general. I can't tell if it's always just for melodrama, or if authors/editors feel like it's a necessary addition to some stories. I don't care if it's Miki or some other character I'm just sick and tired of seeing it. It only tanks my opinion of a character/author/series.

As someone who is also a Fate fan this feels funny to read with your profile icon. Especially when a lot of the incest elements in Fate come from really old European mythology and stories. A lot of historical fiction has incest because incest is a huge part of real human history. It comes up in various media across the world because humans are so complicated and messy no matter where you are.

Actually I'm kind of glad people are skipping this arc and are being vocal about not wanting incest on their favorite fictional stories when is so unnecessary and it shouldn't be normalized compare incest with same sex attraction as this endless speech about all kinds of love/attraction being valid or being similar experiences. Incest is very harmful even if Miki is not acting on it...Aya was unrealistic compressive about all that fiasco, and yeah, she's going to fix Miki...or I hope so.

Well at the end Miki's attraction/love for her sister served no purpose to her development as character or the story an was so far from the main characters to even matter, she didn't get over it or acted on it to cause some drama (even if was so against it).

I'm not arguing more about this, this is not an GRR Martin book to be speaking about incest this much xc.

I don't think anyone was arguing with you about it, and yet you're still throwing Miki under the bus. Anyways, I believe Hoot was saying that they're tired of hearing the same "X thing is bad" statements repeated over and over. Another example of this is every time I open up a piece of art or a story where a character is smoking I see so many "smoking is bad" comments. Yeah we know, and yet people smoke, there's portrayals of people smoking in media, we don't need to be reminded constantly that smoking is bad lol

Ah, and of course saying that Miki deserves love and kindness also does not constitute a defense of 'incest'. She has not committed any crime, and there is no reason to assume her inappropriate feelings for her sister (which she wants to get over) make her any more dangerous to Aya than the average girl from their school is.

Exactly this.

I'm tired of seeing incest as a trope in manga/anime in general. I can't tell if it's always just for melodrama, or if authors/editors feel like it's a necessary addition to some stories. I don't care if it's Miki or some other character I'm just sick and tired of seeing it. It only tanks my opinion of a character/author/series.

As someone who is also a Fate fan this feels funny to read with your profile icon. Especially when a lot of the incest elements in Fate come from really old European mythology and stories. A lot of historical fiction has incest because incest is a huge part of real human history. It comes up in various media across the world because humans are so complicated and messy no matter where you are.

Actually I'm kind of glad people are skipping this arc and are being vocal about not wanting incest on their favorite fictional stories when is so unnecessary and it shouldn't be normalized compare incest with same sex attraction as this endless speech about all kinds of love/attraction being valid or being similar experiences. Incest is very harmful even if Miki is not acting on it...Aya was unrealistic compressive about all that fiasco, and yeah, she's going to fix Miki...or I hope so.

Well at the end Miki's attraction/love for her sister served no purpose to her development as character or the story an was so far from the main characters to even matter, she didn't get over it or acted on it to cause some drama (even if was so against it).

I'm not arguing more about this, this is not an GRR Martin book to be speaking about incest this much xc.

I don't think anyone was arguing with you about it, and yet you're still throwing Miki under the bus. Anyways, I believe Hoot was saying that they're tired of hearing the same "X thing is bad" statements repeated over and over. Another example of this is every time I open up a piece of art or a story where a character is smoking I see so many "smoking is bad" comments. Yeah we know, and yet people smoke, there's portrayals of people smoking in media, we don't need to be reminded constantly that smoking is bad lol

Well someone has to throw Miki under the bus xD... author clearly did it and girl needs to get over her sister.
Like I get it at some extent. It was pretty annoying when people were saying that Shiho was acting like an inceI, and I understand the feeling about not wanting to see that under every chapter, but nah, please no more incest trope in my sasakoi. Idc if I'm having double standards about fictional pixels here.

Also, there's so many mangas/animes that portraits incest as a valid love that I think people should be vocal about not wanting to see that on sasakoi. Just that...smoke is bad, yeah, but they keep selling cigarettes because a lot of people like smoking and buys it regardless a lot of people complaining. Like seriously I saw some disturbing incest ships and is way too normalized in all kind of fandoms....this could b my ‘that friend that's too woke moment’ xD.

And yeah that's an argument in my books, even if in my original comment I just wanted to make a joke but Hoot took it in the wrong side. sorry that I can't express myself better or with less words, because english is not my language.

Well someone has to throw Miki under the bus xD... author clearly did it and girl needs to get over her sister.
Like I get it at some extent. It was pretty annoying when people were saying that Shiho was acting like an inceI, and I understand the feeling about not wanting to see that under every chapter, but nah, please no more incest trope in my sasakoi. Idc if I'm having double standards about fictional pixels here.

Also, there's so many mangas/animes that portraits incest as a valid love that I think people should be vocal about not wanting to see that on sasakoi. Just that...smoke is bad, yeah, but they keep selling cigarettes because a lot of people like smoking and buys it regardless a lot of people complaining. Like seriously I saw some disturbing incest ships and is way too normalized in all kind of fandoms....this could b my ‘that friend that's too woke moment’ xD.

And yeah that's an argument in my books, even if in my original comment I just wanted to make a joke but Hoot took it in the wrong side. sorry that I can't express myself better or with less words, because english is not my language.

I think we're very different in mindset ultimately, and that's fine. It sounds like you mostly want your media to be very pure and clean, free of messy elements of humanity. Fair enough and there's a lot of people like yourself. For me though there's various taboo elements in media that I think can be interesting additions to a story. I know how to separate reality and fiction as an additional factor. Plus I think there's far bigger things in life to worry about than incest in a fictional story, or judging people for incest shipping fictional characters.

Ultimately I think this arc was messy, but the incest element to me was simply one of those complicated feelings some people experience. I thought despite the messiness it was interesting to read about Miki's struggles with her feelings, and that's not going to change no matter how much people tell me that incest is bad. The people that hate incest and other taboo elements being included in media will continue to hate them regardless of my input as well. So there's not really anything else to say here, we've reached the conclusion.

So that's why I say it's okay to agree to disagree, I wish you well and a pleasant rest of your day/night.

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Well someone has to throw Miki under the bus xD... author clearly did it and girl needs to get over her sister.
Like I get it at some extent. It was pretty annoying when people were saying that Shiho was acting like an inceI, and I understand the feeling about not wanting to see that under every chapter, but nah, please no more incest trope in my sasakoi. Idc if I'm having double standards about fictional pixels here.

Also, there's so many mangas/animes that portraits incest as a valid love that I think people should be vocal about not wanting to see that on sasakoi. Just that...smoke is bad, yeah, but they keep selling cigarettes because a lot of people like smoking and buys it regardless a lot of people complaining. Like seriously I saw some disturbing incest ships and is way too normalized in all kind of fandoms....this could b my ‘that friend that's too woke moment’ xD.

And yeah that's an argument in my books, even if in my original comment I just wanted to make a joke but Hoot took it in the wrong side. sorry that I can't express myself better or with less words, because english is not my language.

I think we're very different in mindset ultimately, and that's fine. It sounds like you mostly want your media to be very pure and clean, free of messy elements of humanity. Fair enough and there's a lot of people like yourself. Where as there's various taboo elements in media that I don't mind, and find interesting. I know how to separate reality and fiction as an additional factor. Plus I think there's far bigger things in life to worry about than incest in a fictional story, or judging people for incest shipping.

Ultimately I think this arc was messy, but the incest in the story didn't really bother me. That's not going to change no matter how much people tell me that incest is bad. The people that hate incest and other taboo elements being included in media will continue to hate them regardless of my input as well. So there's not really anything else to say here, we've reached the conclusion.

So that's why I say it's okay to agree to disagree, I wish you well and a pleasant rest of your day/night.

What? Been repeating myself that the incest was so unnecessary to the story and that they did nothing with it for you to get to that conclusion about my comments, I even was joking about it Jsjsjsjsjsjsjsjs.

Ok...be safe ( this is real, be safe), you don't know when the anti incest people in sasakoi will attack you and remember incest and smoking is bad xc.

Good day/ night to you as well :)

Good day/ night to you as well :)

I think people should be vocal about not wanting to see that on sasakoi.

Why should they be vocal? It won't accomplish anything. The author isn't reading the comments. The author won't change the story for you. Other mangaka in Japan aren't reading these comments and won't be influenced by them.

I think people should be vocal about not wanting to see that on sasakoi.

Why should they be vocal? It won't accomplish anything. The author isn't reading the comments. The author won't change the story for you. Other mangaka in Japan aren't reading these comments and won't be influenced by them.

Yeah they aren't reading any comments from dynasty or any other sites that have unofficial translations, lol, pretty obvious. But actually Eku is pretty active in social media... specially on her twitter account at least. And it was sad how excited she was about the anime adaptation to be posting daily about it to trying to erased it from existence :(

Well, point is that after the disastrous anime adaptation, the end of the best selling arc in sasakoi, AkiShiho's popularity and one of her mangas being adapted announcement...this arc came, just after all that... people were pretty vocal about the the incest thing, sasakoi kind of lost part of it relevance on social media after being so popular. So yeah, probably they are not reading people being vocal on here, but there's people being vocal or were vocal in other sites or just weren't talking about it in general because of that.

Don't know how it went in sales, editors happens all the time to magakas, but they ended the arc pretty quick and with at least 2 “filter” chapters and we'll deserved moths to rest. I think they chopped the arc and moved on...they listened to complains? Idk, but they definitely were aware of the lack of people being interested in this arc. And I don't even blaming this arc in specific, you can't put yorihima and akishiho in all the chapters and the anime adaptation is an important factor. Also not telling that sasakoi is doomed because this arc.

This came much longer that intended, sorry.

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Don't know how it went in sales, editors happens all the time to magakas, but they ended the arc pretty quick and with at least 2 “filter” chapters and we'll deserved moths to rest. I think they chopped the arc and moved on...they listened to complains? Idk, but they definitely were aware of the lack of people being interested in this arc.

This is all just assumptions. We don't even have evidence that a lack of people were interested in this arc, before we can begin to discuss sales. Social media doesn't mean anything, especially western social media for a Japanese series. We might not like the direction but that doesn't mean anything else.

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Don't know how it went in sales, editors happens all the time to magakas, but they ended the arc pretty quick and with at least 2 “filter” chapters and we'll deserved moths to rest. I think they chopped the arc and moved on...they listened to complains? Idk, but they definitely were aware of the lack of people being interested in this arc.

This is all just assumptions. We don't even have evidence that a lack of people were interested in this arc, before we can begin to discuss sales. Social media doesn't mean anything, especially western social media for a Japanese series. We might not like the direction but that doesn't mean anything else.

Actually you can see it in this site, specifically in the comment section not as a fact but as an indicator.

Social media doesn't mean anything? The Green yuri is the most popular yuri right now and is for free on twitter and in here is one of the most commented yuris. Months ago love bullet was literally saved because of a twitter post of the author saying that it was going to b canceled and to please support them, and western yuri enjoyers, as you said, literally saved it from being axed and thankfully is getting the love that both the author and the manga deserves and more...and sasakoi has an official translation for western people jaja. Like why assume that to magakas social wouldn't mean anything? Eku I'm even interacts with people from all the places on her twitter.

It could be assumptions but it doesn't comes from the nothing and social media IS important.

Bye. This is getting tiresome.

There is more reason to assume that the disaster of the anime adaptation hold back sales more than anything. Anime are more than often just a mean to boost sells of the manga/LN and if the adaptation is bad, it automatically gonna be reflected on the sales.

The thought of people harassing the mangaka on social media about this arc pisses me off. I've seen so many cases over the years where people will claim that they're morally superior because they harassed a real human being for writing a fictional story or drawing art with taboo elements. It's one of the most toxic and disgusting things about social media that I hate the most.

There is more reason to assume that the disaster of the anime adaptation hold back sales more than anything.

That's definitely more reasonable. In that case there wouldn't be an expected bump but I don't see anything to suggest that it's sales have dipped in any way. It's not nearly the first very successful series to have this kind of plot development.

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This forum is so weird sometimes.

Why are people so incapable of being about normal about fiction? Something appearing in a story isn't an endorsement of it happening in real life, not every piece of fiction is a morality play.
Like, this isn't some kind of manual on how to behave properly, please learn to read fiction like an adult.
It's even more true in this case, because it's not like this suddenly became an incest fetish manga or something. Despite all the uproar about incest, no incest has actually happened yet, and it's not going to either. Miki is never going to do anything incestual with her sister. This arc is specifically about how she deals with and starts to get over developing feelings for someone she can never be with. Authors are allowed to discuss or include taboo topics like this in their works, just because the subject matter makes you uncomfortable does not make it "bad writing". You enjoying the story before this doesn't give you any say in how Eki-sensei writes it going forward, this manga is not yours. If you don't like the direction she decided to take it, you can stop reading.

And because I keep hearing people say this was "character assassination" or whatever, Miki has been heavily implied to be a siscon nearly every time she's appeared, going back to the very first chapter. The only surprise here was how deep her feelings actually went. This development didn't come out of nowhere, you just missed all the signs cause you weren't paying attention.

I really need to stop reading the comments for this manga, I just get so annoyed every time...

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for crying out loud, at least were moving on to a new arc soon enough. also im liking the development as anticipating whats been foreshadowed for quite a while.

in other news, volume 11 is set to be released a month from now, 06/27. its special edition will have 49 stickers total.

and melonbooks has a cute akishiho acrylic stand as a limited-time bonus item but you will have to pay more for that https://www.melonbooks.co.jp/detail/detail.php?product_id=2989999

afaik melonbooks has another bonus item aside from the acrylic stand and other bookstores' bonuses is yet to be revealed.

thats all.

Found this video on the CBR Discord a few days ago, watched it the next day, sent it to the Dynasty Discord later the day I watched it, and now while rewatching it remembered "Oh yeah, I could send it to the relevant forum on Dynasty the site too" so here we are. Link