So what you're saying is there's still a chance that Tong Tong and Lin Luxi's moms are gonna get together

man i hope the rest of this manga isnt gonna be "luxi makes up with her past abusers instead of dumping their ungrateful asses in the dirt"

I'm kinda hoping Tongtong goes the fuck off on her. Not her mom, her mom's fine but the emotionally satisfying thing would be Tongtong loudly asserting "Lun Luxi is MINE, and if you actually cared about her even a fraction as much as I do you'd accept this most important aspect of her life!"

I think the mom is more upset that
1 she was lied to about this and her daughter couldn't trust her
2 the friend she thought she had was also lying to her and their own relationship was built on manipulating her .
I think she's more than likely gotten more accepting of her daughters queerness and is hurt shed hide it from her ( even though her daughter has no reason to trust her with it )
Clearly she was wrong about lin and tongtongs relationship effecting her hard work . I think she'll talk to tongtongs mom and come to a realization that she's no longer homophobic .

Such a heavy chapter, but I can't help but imagine the whiplash when they'll notice what the present was.

i love the drama
but the pacing is killing me
*looks at TGSWIIWAGAA*

LMAO the shade

I think the mom is more upset that
1 she was lied to about this and her daughter couldn't trust her
2 the friend she thought she had was also lying to her and their own relationship was built on manipulating her .
I think she's more than likely gotten more accepting of her daughters queerness and is hurt shed hide it from her ( even though her daughter has no reason to trust her with it )
Clearly she was wrong about lin and tongtongs relationship effecting her hard work . I think she'll talk to tongtongs mom and come to a realization that she's no longer homophobic .

Being lied to almost certainly the major part of what she's upset about.

Her past depictions were less abusive to me and more overworked and stressed, but while feeling like there was a reason for her to sacrifice that much. With her purpose gone so to speak and the years of her life never coming back, she has to figure out what to do with herself. She also has to live with the fallout of the social skills and network she didn't adequately developed. We know her marriage/romantic life didn't go well.

With the latest chapter, she took all this as a rejection: no one trusted her, no one appreciated her, and now that her daughter doesn't need her anymore her daughter is done with her. This will be a lot of motivation to come around on the gay stuff, especially when she sees her daughter doing better than she is (good grades, social network, etc in addition to a successful relationship). We also know Luxi does appreciate her, which is part of why this is hard for Luxi.

She really needs some time away from Luxi and to hear that she is appreciated. In the mean time, she has Tong Tong's mom to help her figure out what she enjoys and how to live more independently. Really fairly realistic without the mangaisms (the present, the phone calls, etc).

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Nah that mom was absolutely abusive, she threatened Luxi to force her to break up with Tongtong and repeatedly denied a core element of her daughter's identity, calling homosexuality a disease and unnatural and the result of bad influence. Luxi was 100% in the right to hide this part of herself from her mom, that's just rational self protection, and even in this moment when the mom finds out she's implicitly making yet another unreasonable toxic demand on Luxi by framing the situation as an exclusive choice between Tongtong or her mother. The problem is entirely in her and the shitty societal elements she's representing.

edit: worth drawing specific attention to one particular element: The thing Luxi's mom is reacting so badly to here is the mere presence of Tongtong. She didn't catch them making out this time, she freaked out over Tongtong answering her daughter's apartment door. She expected Luxi to cut Tongtong off and never see her again and that's obviously fucking dumb and she has nobody to blame but herself. Her initial ultimatum was for Luxi to choose between breaking up with her girlfriend or being sent away, and Luxi chose being sent away on a delayed, self-managed path: she waited to go away by her own volition to college, and kept her girlfriend. She has not actually lied to her mother or even contradicted her, she merely violated the spirit of her mother's demand, which was to magically become "normal". There's no excuse for Luxi's mom's behavior, no extenuating circumstances that make her worth sympathy in this moment. Her hard life as a single mother has nothing to do with her rank bigotry here. If nobody trust her that is because she is untrustworthy, and if her daughter is done with her that's nothing less than what she deserves. She has no paths forward from here except to fully surrender and beg forgiveness, or fuck off from her daughter's life forever like countless bigot parents before her.

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i just wanna say that I'm really loving all the different perspectives people are putting forward here, so please keep them coming!
(if i can rub together enough braincells, i might share my own perspectives (or trauma dump my own experience))

She has no paths forward from here except to fully surrender and beg forgiveness, or fuck off from her daughter's life forever like countless bigot parents before her.

IOW, “Paging TongTong’s Mom—homophobia cleanup on Aisle Luxi’s Mom.”

Everyone trying to defend the mom here is honestly...

Okay so, I understand and validate that the mom is mad and frustrated that her daughter and lied and didn't do trust her.
But what reason did the mom give to trust her at all?
She forced her daughter to stay in the closet for years, gave her no support despite expecting her to be top of her class, constantly fought with their partner in a place where their child could hear, and each time that the mother did find out about them dating, their only solice and happiness since the beginning of the story when the parents were yelling and she snuck out in the middle of the night to be together, her mother calls homosexuality a disease and demands they never see each other again or threatens to send her away.
This is classic abusive relationships 101.

She has no paths forward from here except to fully surrender and beg forgiveness, or fuck off from her daughter's life forever like countless bigot parents before her.

IOW, “Paging TongTong’s Mom—homophobia cleanup on Aisle Luxi’s Mom.”

That seems likely, although like I said early I'd really like it to be Tongtong herself. A few chapters back, before the start of the domme arc, Luxi's ex-friend was saying some shit at Tongtong's expense and Luxi stood up and unabashedly defending her, pointing out that Tongtong tested into the same college as the bully despite not liking to study. The framing for Tongtong was that this was a pretty major moment for her, getting defended in public against the same kinds of mean girls that had cut her off in high school, leaving her friendless. I'd love to see the turnabout of that, of Tongtong sticking up for Luxi from the source of her trauma in turn.

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Everyone trying to defend the mom here is honestly...

Okay so, I understand and validate that the mom is mad and frustrated that her daughter and lied and didn't do trust her.
But what reason did the mom give to trust her at all?
She forced her daughter to stay in the closet for years, gave her no support despite expecting her to be top of her class, constantly fought with their partner in a place where their child could hear, and each time that the mother did find out about them dating, their only solice and happiness since the beginning of the story when the parents were yelling and she snuck out in the middle of the night to be together, her mother calls homosexuality a disease and demands they never see each other again or threatens to send her away.
This is classic abusive relationships 101.

I was thinking the same thing when I was reading the comments supporting Luxi's mum. I was like, did we not read the same manhua? She has been probably the worst example of a mom that I've seen for a while in a Yuri manga/wa/ua. I guess I got spoiled but the better/supportive moms.

So what you're saying is there's still a chance that Tong Tong and Lin Luxi's moms are gonna get together

Who knows? Maybe Tong Tong’s mom will open Lin Luxi’s mom’s eyes, she definitely needs it.

Also, if the moms end up together, it kind of reminds me of Citrus, where the parents got together while Yuzu and Mei were step-sister lovers. But I have a feeling this series won’t last long enough for the mothers to get together. _(ツ)_/¯

well Yuzu and Mei met because their parents had met and married.

I also am up for differing perspectives, but I feel the need to clarify here. Luxi did not lie to her mom, nor did I say she did. Her mom thinks Luxi lied to her because she thinks Luxi was in on Tong Tong's mom lying to her. Luxi's mom came up with a narrative where everything is related in a way that confirms her worst fears about herself.

I also don't see thinking homosexuality is a disease as abusive, so much as ignorant and deeply harmful. I think she genuinely believed it was dangerous and that pursuing the gay stuff would be extremely bad for Luxi. It's the parent's job to step in when their child is about to make a major mistake, especially one that could ruin their life (eg alcohol addiction). The problem is that, when they don't check their biases, they can end up being the biggest source of harm, despite genuinely wanting to help.

It's like a parent denying their child life saving medicine because someone on social media convinced them that the medicine would kill their child. The effect is the same as if they were trying to harm the child (that is, as abuse), but it's a genuine attempt at good parenting. People define abuse in different ways, but for me it cannot be abuse when both the conscious and subconscious intent is to help someone.

If I'm right, realizing that Luxi is both successful and happier will make all the difference to her, along with finding out that Luxi never lied to her and still values her. Neither of these are information she yet has.

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well Yuzu and Mei met because their parents had met and married.

Didn't they meet at school first and before they knew their parents were getting married? Or was that because Yuzu started going to that school due to moving because of the marriage?

I also am up for differing perspectives, but I feel the need to clarify here. Luxi did not lie to her mom, nor did I say she did. Her mom thinks Luxi lied to her because she thinks Luxi was in on Tong Tong's mom lying to her. Luxi's mom came up with a narrative where everything is related in a way that confirms her worst fears about herself.

I also don't see thinking homosexuality is a disease as abusive, so much as ignorant and deeply harmful. I think she genuinely believed it was dangerous and that pursuing the gay stuff would be extremely bad for Luxi. It's the parent's job to step in when their child is about to make a major mistake, especially one that could ruin their life (eg alcohol addiction). The problem is that, when they don't check their biases, they can end up being the biggest source of harm, despite genuinely wanting to help.

It's like a parent denying their child life saving medicine because someone on social media convinced them that the medicine would kill their child. The effect is the same as if they were trying to harm the child (that is, as abuse), but it's a genuine attempt at good parenting. People define abuse in different ways, but for me it cannot be abuse when both the conscious and subconscious intent is to help someone.

If I'm right, realizing that Luxi is both successful and happier will make all the difference to her, along with finding out that Luxi never lied to her and still values her. Neither of these are information she yet has.

Child abuse does not require bad intentions. It's frequently done thinking it's the right thing to do, even, and that doesn't make it not abuse in any way. Abusers say "this is for your own good" all the time. Their supposed ends do not justify their means. Especially in cases like this where the desired "end" is forcing someone to deny their sexuality. Luxi's mother scarred her terribly and she'll never be able to make up for it or continue having a relationship with her daughter if she clings to her supposed good intentions, because it's not up to her.

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well Yuzu and Mei met because their parents had met and married.

Didn't they meet at school first and before they knew their parents were getting married? Or was that because Yuzu started going to that school due to moving because of the marriage?

Yes, in the series, Yuzu and Mei first met at school when Yuzu was reprimanded for not wearing her uniform correctly. Later, when Yuzu arrived home, she discovered that Mei was her stepsister, her mother had married Mei's father. I believe the move happened because of this new marriage, so while Yuzu was aware of the situation, she didn’t initially know that Mei would be her stepsister. (My memory is a bit fuzzy, I haven't read the main series in a while.) ^_^

Also, sorry for any confusion in bringing up Citrus. What I was trying to say is that if the mothers ended up together, the situation would be kind of similar Citrus. In Citrus, the parents got together first, and then Yuzu and Mei developed feelings for each other. However, in this case, Tong Tong and Lin Luxi got together first, and theres a possibility of their mothers also becoming a couple.

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Everyone trying to defend the mom here is honestly...

Okay so, I understand and validate that the mom is mad and frustrated that her daughter and lied and didn't do trust her.
But what reason did the mom give to trust her at all?
She forced her daughter to stay in the closet for years, gave her no support despite expecting her to be top of her class, constantly fought with their partner in a place where their child could hear, and each time that the mother did find out about them dating, their only solice and happiness since the beginning of the story when the parents were yelling and she snuck out in the middle of the night to be together, her mother calls homosexuality a disease and demands they never see each other again or threatens to send her away.
This is classic abusive relationships 101.

I don't think I was supporting her as much as just wanting to discuss what I thought would happen in the future . As someone from a Chinese family who never accepted my queerness I like the thought that lins mother could . Sometimes it feels like people forget their reading fiction. It would be nice to see a Chinese mother losing her homophobia for me personally .....

Sometimes it feels like people forget their reading fiction.

the great thing about fiction is that it enables us to build empathy with people who we otherwise might see as inhuman, and so when we meet such a person in real life, we might be more inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt that they might, indeed, be a human, just like us.

Child abuse does not require bad intentions. It's frequently done thinking it's the right thing to do, even, and that doesn't make it not abuse in any way. Abusers say "this is for your own good" all the time. Their supposed ends do not justify their means. Especially in cases like this where the desired "end" is forcing someone to deny their sexuality. Luxi's mother scarred her terribly and she'll never be able to make up for it or continue having a relationship with her daughter if she clings to her supposed good intentions, because it's not up to her.

It requires it as I'm using the word, which is relevant to the meaning in my posts.

People will also say their intentions are all sorts of things, sometimes even convincing themselves. How they respond when confronted with evidence that what they did isn't helping is much more revealing than what they say. There's a reason why I included subconscious intent.

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Folks here supposing the mothers could get together are severely on one. This comic has done excellent work in honoring the consequences of its setting and I doubt Xian Jun feels the need to pair off every onscreen female character, particularly "Het to 11" and "Self-Isolating Homophobe".

Folks here supposing the mothers could get together are severely on one. This comic has done excellent work in honoring the consequences of its setting and I doubt Xian Jun feels the need to pair off every onscreen female character, particularly "Het to 11" and "Self-Isolating Homophobe".

It's just based on what the author has said in the past. It wouldn't be pairing up every off screen character either, just these two. It also wouldn't be off screen since she said they're supposed to have their own arc, which I think we're still in. Could go either way but people aren't pulling this out of nowhere.

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Folks here supposing the mothers could get together are severely on one. This comic has done excellent work in honoring the consequences of its setting and I doubt Xian Jun feels the need to pair off every onscreen female character, particularly "Het to 11" and "Self-Isolating Homophobe".

I personally don’t invest much energy in the Plot Prediction Sweepstakes, but as a couple of pieces of possible counterevidence (or just counter-possibility):

• It doesn’t take much for “Het to 11” to tip over into “Open to Anything.” (I’ve especially liked the way this series has depicted TongTong’s mom as open-minded and sexually adventurous without being personally reckless about it and while being considerate and responsible to her daughter.)

• TongTong’s mom also has been shown to be something of a force of nature in regard to Luxi’s uptight mom, and if not an absolutely irresistible one, she’s at least able to wear down her resistance over time.

I wouldn’t say that the series has laid much if any specific groundwork for getting the moms together so far, but I can see glimpses of how the story might get there.

(A general discussion, for example, of sexuality leading to Luxi’s mom’s confession that she’s never had an orgasm leading to TongTong’s mom . . . I’m sure everyone here can fill in the blanks from there.)