Midnightgunner posted:

I mean no one is saying it's good or complex. It's fucked but that's why it's kinda fun?

Nah... Not really... It's just a mess.

For someone who dislikes this series, you sure comment a lot.

I mean no one is saying it's good or complex. It's fucked but that's why it's kinda fun?

You get it. Sometimes it's just fun to watch awful people do awful things.

And let's not pretend that 90% of the blame isn't on Yuni. If she was unsatisfied with their relationship, she should just COMMUNICATE it instead of cheating. There's nothing specail about any of this cheap drama. "Girlfriend with a victim complex doesn't communicate about her disatisfation with her girlfriend, cheats on her and refuses to take any accountability." It's just that simple... Nothing complex to it. Dunno why some people are making this unidimensional story more than it actually is...

Yuni was the one who chose to cheat and she should've been more open with her frustrations, but you can't deny that Nanase has been a pretty terrible girlfriend. It's not just being so focused on volleyball, the real problem is that Nanase is terrified of any display of affection that could possibly reveal their relationship. She won't hold hands, she won't let Yuni upload pictures of the two of them, and this all demonstrates that Nanase is unwilling to put as much passion into their relationship as Yuni is. And Yuni did tell her this at the festival, Nanase promised to do better and then went back to her old ways. Nanase missed their anniversary, apologized, promised to do better and then went back to her old ways.

Yuni didn't decide to just go and cheat out of the blue. She cheated because Fuuko exploited the emotional gap between them, offering her everything that Nanase refused to provide. Was Nanase planning on hiding their relationship forever?

Not justified ata all. Yuni should just break up with her if she was not satisfied with how things were going. You know... show a little bit of character. Yuni only thinks about herself and never stops to considers Nanane's position and why she feels unconfortable. She sees her as nothing more than an exposition piece to make her feel better with herself. Always forcing Nanase to "choose" between her and several things and never stops to think that she is not the only thing in her life. Don't you think this is far more toxic and unfair? What Yuni did and is doing now is a million times worse than whatever hseitation Nanase had. There is not comparation here.

If Yuni actually cared about Nanase, cheating wouldn't even cross her mind.

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I mean no one is saying it's good or complex. It's fucked but that's why it's kinda fun?

You get it. Sometimes it's just fun to watch awful people do awful things.

Not if it's written poorly...

Midnightgunner posted:

I mean no one is saying it's good or complex. It's fucked but that's why it's kinda fun?

Nah... Not really... It's just a mess.

For someone who dislikes this series, you sure comment a lot.

Yeah.... Because that's the purpose of a comment section here... To comment someone's opinion about the manga. Even if that's a criticism.

Or what? You thought I would post here how to bake blueberry cakes followed by 5 easy steps on how to hide a dismembered body? No, I will talk about the story.... And how bellow avarage it is...

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I'm losing it this is so goofy LOL
Just caught up and like, the frickin
The parfait and the cherries. I can't. my sides

Not justified ata all. Yuni should just break up with her if she was not satisfied with how things were going. You know... show a little bit of character. Yuni only thinks about herself and never stops to considers Nanane's position and why she feels unconfortable. She sees her as nothing more than an exposition piece to make her feel better with herself. Always forcing Nanase to "choose" between her and several things and never stops to think that she is not the only thing in someone esle's life. Don't you think this is far more toxic and unfair? What Yuni did and is doing now is a million times worse than whatever hseitation Nanase had. There is not comparation here.

But Yuni HAS been putting up with it. She's been continuously telling herself that Nanase's volleyball is important to her and trying to consider Nanase's feeling with the regards to not wanting to come out with their relationship. And I agree that at some point either Yuni or Nanase should've realized that their needs and goals aren't compatible and decide to go their separate ways. But it's not like Nanase missed one date and suddenly Yuni is throwing herself at other girls. There is a continual pattern of neglect and Nanase honestly taking Yuni for granted that drove her to cheat. Nanase is the least-malicious person in all of this but she's by no means blameless.

Morals? What morals? I root for Fuuko because she's hot as fuck. lol

♪
What is the moral?
Must be a moral!
Here is the moral, wrong or right:
Morals tomorrow,
Comedy comedy comedy comedy comedy comedy
To---night!!!
♫

Even Netsuzou Trap wasn't so silly.

Yeah, that's why Netsuzou Trap sucked.

comments about Natsume refusing to lie

She's probably autistic. They should just break up since they're not compatible, but this is a goofy NTR story and in any case, it's unrealistic (in an unentertaining way) for 16 year olds to recognize that.

comments about the story being NTR trash

It's so well executed though. Every chapter gets more and more ridiculous, and the way the panels and art are set up, and the visual metaphors beating you over the head? Absolutely glorious. I lost my shit when Fuuko poured the mocktail into the pool. Oh my god

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Not justified ata all. Yuni should just break up with her if she was not satisfied with how things were going. You know... show a little bit of character. Yuni only thinks about herself and never stops to considers Nanane's position and why she feels unconfortable. She sees her as nothing more than an exposition piece to make her feel better with herself. Always forcing Nanase to "choose" between her and several things and never stops to think that she is not the only thing in someone esle's life. Don't you think this is far more toxic and unfair? What Yuni did and is doing now is a million times worse than whatever hseitation Nanase had. There is not comparation here.

But Yuni HAS been putting up with it. She's been continuously telling herself that Nanase's volleyball is important to her and trying to consider Nanase's feeling with the regards to not wanting to come out with their relationship. And I agree that at some point either Yuni or Nanase should've realized that their needs and goals aren't compatible and decide to go their separate ways. But it's not like Nanase missed one date and suddenly Yuni is throwing herself at other girls. There is a continual pattern of neglect and Nanase honestly taking Yuni for granted that drove her to cheat. Nanase is the least-malicious person in all of this but she's by no means blameless.

Nanase was also trying her best whitin her limitations. And unlike Yuni, she didn't cheat while putting up with Yuni toxic behaviour of always making Nanase choose between her and other aspects of her life. Which is far worse than Nanase's hesitations. Nanase even acknowlages she needs to be better for her gf (even though Yuni doesn't deserve it) and takes accontability for her neglect. Again, unlike Yuni who takes no accontability and pushes all into Nanase.

Yes, Nanase is not blameless, but it still doesn't justify cheating. In a matter of who is the worst girlfriend, Nanase will be a sparkle while Yuni would be a godadam sun. Again, no comparation.

They are sixteen years old you are all so mad over sixteen year olds not knowing how to function in their first relationship. Buddy, I've seen people take 'til 25 and five or six relationships to get their heads on right. Just admit you don't appreciate how funny this is because you associate it with hetero rape porn or you're reading too much into it or something

Don't be Nanases to your Yunis people!

I am kidding, I just find the whole thing amusing as hell, ESH, but Fuuko is still the most entertaining of them all, I like this title, it is so over the top, I love the art and I love the comment section ,y'all get pretty worked up meow

Nanase was also trying her best whitin her limitations. And unlike Yuni, she didn't cheat while putting up with Yuni toxic behaviour of always making Nanase choose between her and other aspects of her life. Which is far worse than Nanase's hesitations. Nanase even acknowlages she needs to be better for her gf (even though Yuni doesn't deserve it) and takes accontability for her neglect. Again, unlike Yuni who takes no accontability and pushes all into Nanase.

Yes, Nanase is not blameless, but it still doesn't justify cheating. In a matter of who is the worst girlfriend, Nanase will be a sparkle while Yuni would be a godadam sun. Again, no comparation.

Was Nanase really trying her best? She couldn't even give Yuni a quick text or call on their anniversary. She constantly denies any of Yuni's desires for any kind of affection in public, and has forced her to put up with her own emotional constipation. Yuni never told Nanase "its volleyball or me" until the end of this chapter; when Nanase dumped the Osaka trip on her without even considering if a high school student who wasn't receiving free food, lodging and transportation could even afford it, Yuni was willing to basically sell herself to be there with Nanase. Instead, Nanase is the one who has always made Yuni put up with being second-fiddle to volleyball. And I don't think that acknowledging a problem and then proceeding to do nothing about it is "taking accountability."

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Anyone who hasn't yet, do read all the chapters, because otherwise 17 will seem utterly insane, instead of just crazy and Nanase having a brain seizure from overstimulation.

Right now chapters 10 and 11 aren't here, and those have a bunch of context to understand Fuuko and Yuni bit better.

context wont fix bad writing though?

This is pretty trashy but it's not particularly bad written. The pacing is good, the characters are consistent in their behavior, the tone is also pretty consistent in its silliness.

It's silly and trashy and the characters' behavior and reactions aren't realistic but fiction doesn't have to mirror real-life so this isn't a problem.

Nanase was also trying her best whitin her limitations. And unlike Yuni, she didn't cheat while putting up with Yuni toxic behaviour of always making Nanase choose between her and other aspects of her life. Which is far worse than Nanase's hesitations. Nanase even acknowlages she needs to be better for her gf (even though Yuni doesn't deserve it) and takes accontability for her neglect. Again, unlike Yuni who takes no accontability and pushes all into Nanase.

Yes, Nanase is not blameless, but it still doesn't justify cheating. In a matter of who is the worst girlfriend, Nanase will be a sparkle while Yuni would be a godadam sun. Again, no comparation.

Was Nanase really trying her best? She couldn't even give Yuni a quick text or call on their anniversary. She constantly denies any of Yuni's desires for any kind of affection in public, and has forced her to put up with her own emotional constipation. Yuni never told Nanase "its volleyball or me" until the end of this chapter; when Nanase dumped the Osaka trip on her without even considering if a high school student who wasn't receiving free food, lodging and transportation could even afford it, Yuni was willing to basically sell herself to be there with Nanase. Instead, Nanase is the one who has always made Yuni put up with being second-fiddle to volleyball. And I don't think that acknowledging a problem and then proceeding to do nothing about it is "taking accountability."

Comming out is not easy. Is not like Nanase could just go "Hey! I'm gay!" like it had no consequences. It's something far more serious than Yuni's unhealthy craves for attention. And in that very festival Nanase held her hand and let herself be kissed, let alone they were intimate several times in private and even hugging in public and at school. So is not like Yuni was completely deprived of her girlfriend's affection. Far from it. Yuni always had the mentality that she should be Nanase's number one priority since the festival and is not only between voleyball and herself... Yuni always had this mindset with basically everyone in Nanase's life. Her best friend, her colegues in her club. It's suffocating. In this case, I wouldn't be susprised if Nanase would actually WANT to put some space between them. Someone as toxic as Yuni demanding validation in this matter is a mental tool. I'm sure Nanase feels more at ease with her club members than with Yuni and I can't really blame her.

And, despite being really unconfortable with exposing their relationship, Nanase still came out to her best friend. This is doing something already. Nanase went to the pool with her, went to the festival with her, is intimate with her in private, but, no... to Yuni, if everything is not 100% PERFECT all the time, then is justifiable to go fuck the sociopath. No... I'll say again. No justification for cheating and no comparation. Nanase made her mistakes, Yuni is a 100 times worse.

I enjoy this because Nanase is trash and Fuuko is justice :D

Also I dont care much about cheating, never thought it was that big of a deal personnally so... shrug

Ahhh the ol' cheatin' and morals. The essays and quotations. I hope you put that much effort in school or work.

Stuff like this is like alcohol. It's bad for you but you'll like it more in every drink. Looking forward to the next chapter.

Comming out is not easy. Is not like Nanase could just go "Hey! I'm gay!" like it had no consequences. It's something far more serious than Yuni's unhealthy craves for attention. And in that very festival Nanase held her hand and let herself be kissed, let alone they were intimate several times in private and even hugging in public and at school. So is not like Yuni was completely deprived of her girlfriend's affection. Far from it. Yuni always had the mentality that she should be Nanase's number one priority since the festival and is not only between voleyball and herself... Yuni always had this mindset with basically everyone in Nanase's life. Her best friend, her colegues in her club. It's suffocating. In this case, I wouldn't be susprised if Nanase would actually WANT to put some space between them. Someone as toxic as Yuni demanding validation in this matter is a mental tool. I'm sure Nanase feels more at ease with her club members than with Yuni and I can't really blame her.

And, despite being really unconfortable with exposing their relationship, Nanase still came out to her best friend. This is doing something already. Nanase went to the pool with her, went to the festival with her, is intimate with her in private, but, no... to Yuni, if everything is not 100% PERFECT all the time, then is justifiable to go fuck the sociopath. No... I'll say again. No justification for cheating and no comparation. Nanase made her mistakes, Yuni is a 100 times worse.

It's not even about coming out. Nanase refuses to even hold hands with Yuni in public or to let her upload photos of the two of them to social media, despite her being willing to do that stuff with her friends. And Yuni put up with it for months, putting more effort and compromise into their relationship than Nanase ever did. Coming out to her best friend (who I'm 100% sure wants to get into Nanase's pants) is good personal growth for Nanase but too late to save her relationship with Yuni.

Midnightgunner posted:

I mean no one is saying it's good or complex. It's fucked but that's why it's kinda fun?

Nah... Not really... It's just a mess.

For someone who dislikes this series, you sure comment a lot.

That he does. Too bad he doesn't make much sense.

There must be a zillion movies and tv shows with a male lead who has a girlfriend and then, at some point, a rival character appears and comes on to the male lead's girl so artfully that she's seduced and starts wavering between the two. When this happens, the male lead is expected by EVERYONE to fight with everything he has to win back his girl! Because if he said "Oh so she's attracted to some other guy? How dare she? What a slut! He can have her!" all the other characters and the viewers would see him as an idiot and a loser. This is just common sense.

Somehow a new school of thought has developed lately—that claims that if you start dating someone then that person belongs to you and any display of attraction towards someone else is an unforgivable sin. I dunno how to call it, the dumb ass school? In opposition to the common sense school that says that if you want to keep somebody at your side your whole life then you'll have to keep working at it your whole life.

Midnightgunner posted:

I mean no one is saying it's good or complex. It's fucked but that's why it's kinda fun?

Nah... Not really... It's just a mess.

For someone who dislikes this series, you sure comment a lot.

That he does. Too bad he doesn't make much sense.

There must be a zillion movies and tv shows with a male lead who has a girlfriend and then, at some point, a rival character appears and comes on to the male lead's girl so artfully that she's seduced and starts wavering between the two. When this happens, the male lead is expected by EVERYONE to fight with everything he has to win back his girl! Because if he said "Oh so she's attracted to some other guy? How dare she? What a slut! He can have her!" all the other characters and the viewers would see him as an idiot and a loser. This is just common sense.

Somehow a new school of thought has developed lately—that claims that if you start dating someone then that person belongs to you and any display of attraction towards someone else is an unforgivable sin. I dunno how to call it, the dumb ass school? In opposition to the common sense school that says that if you want to keep somebody at your side your whole life then you'll have to keep working at it your whole life.

Am I not allowed to comment? To reply? Have a conversation in a COMMENT SECTION? Now that's what doesn't actually make sense. And no... This idea that you'll have too fight for the girl (or guy) unconditionally no matter what is plain idiotic. Fighting for someone who is not worth it and doesn't value you as much as you value them is not a sign of strenght or devotion and, let alone love. Is a sign of low self-steem, because someone who value themselves would not waste their energies on someone who dosen't deserve it. Any character who does that doesn't deserve respect. I'll say it again: You can't love anyone if you don't love yourself first. Relationships are a two way road. You must give as much as you receive. If only one person is "chasing after" then is not love, is simply obssession. And nothing good comes out of that unless in bad writting.

So I will actually love to see a cheated MC realizes they were cheated on and just went: "Well, you made your choice and since i deserve better than you, I'll make mine." Not an unidimensional "UuUr ShEs A sLuT! He CaN hAvE hEr!". Nope... Inside, they are hurting, yes, but outside, is just cold indiference. And this reaction susprises the cheaters to an unnerving degree. The MC will suffer, sure, but they'll priorize themselves and their feelings and then they'll actually find someone better, someone loyal. And the viewers will see the reactions of the others involved, specially the cheaters. (It'll actually be better if the cheaters are also complex with more than just the cheating act that defines them).

Unconditional love is such a trainwreck plot point. I would love to see a MC that will value their SO honestly, but is willing to drop them the moment they realize the feelings are not mutual. "You want me to fight for you? Fight for me as well.".

Now that's something unique. Not like these "A zillion stories" you mentioned and sure not like this NTR overused cliche here that I've had the displeasure of seeing many times before... If everyone expects the same as you said, it means the story is predictable and boring...

And that's all I had to say. This story sucks, but let see to what disapointing end this will take us. Till there, I'm out.

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Comming out is not easy. Is not like Nanase could just go "Hey! I'm gay!" like it had no consequences. It's something far more serious than Yuni's unhealthy craves for attention. And in that very festival Nanase held her hand and let herself be kissed, let alone they were intimate several times in private and even hugging in public and at school. So is not like Yuni was completely deprived of her girlfriend's affection. Far from it. Yuni always had the mentality that she should be Nanase's number one priority since the festival and is not only between voleyball and herself... Yuni always had this mindset with basically everyone in Nanase's life. Her best friend, her colegues in her club. It's suffocating. In this case, I wouldn't be susprised if Nanase would actually WANT to put some space between them. Someone as toxic as Yuni demanding validation in this matter is a mental tool. I'm sure Nanase feels more at ease with her club members than with Yuni and I can't really blame her.

And, despite being really unconfortable with exposing their relationship, Nanase still came out to her best friend. This is doing something already. Nanase went to the pool with her, went to the festival with her, is intimate with her in private, but, no... to Yuni, if everything is not 100% PERFECT all the time, then is justifiable to go fuck the sociopath. No... I'll say again. No justification for cheating and no comparation. Nanase made her mistakes, Yuni is a 100 times worse.

It's not even about coming out. Nanase refuses to even hold hands with Yuni in public or to let her upload photos of the two of them to social media, despite her being willing to do that stuff with her friends. And Yuni put up with it for months, putting more effort and compromise into their relationship than Nanase ever did. Coming out to her best friend (who I'm 100% sure wants to get into Nanase's pants) is good personal growth for Nanase but too late to save her relationship with Yuni.

Nanase only told her BFF. There's a difference between telling someone you trust and just being out there in the open. And that difference is massive. What if a family member sees those photos? Or see them embraced in public? Have you stopped to think of the serious implications this can cause? Japan is not as accepting of gay people as the western is... Comming out to FAMILY and SOCIETY is far harder....... And I doubt Yuni ever considered that. SHe just wants Nanase to be the perfect image of a girlfriend she envisioned in her head.

And any "effort" Yuni put in their relationship lost all value, significance and importance the moment she slept with Fuuko. I've told you, if she really valued Nanase, she would break up with her before cheating on her, because she would not want to cause the pain she is causing her now. The one who destroyed the relantionship was Yuni, plain and simple. Now sure as hell is too late to save the relantionship because Yuni cheated. But since this author lacks the basic talent as a writter, I'm sure they'll find a moronic and poorly executed way to "save" it.

I said my piece.... And made my views very clear. You can reply if you want, but I'm done for now.

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Nanase only told her BFF. There's a difference between telling someone you trust and just being out there in the open. And that difference is massive. What if a family member sees those photos? Or see them embraced in public? Have you stopped to think of the serious implications this can cause? Japan is not as accepting of gay people as the western is... Comming out to FAMILY and SOCIETY is far harder....... And I doubt Yuni ever considered that. SHe just wants Nanase to be the perfect image of a girlfriend she envisioned in her head.

Tbf she only denies that kind of skinship to yuni, she doesn't seem to have a problem doing it with her friends or the volleyball team. Yuni is not asking to be treated especially she just doesn't want to be treated like a stranger by her girlfriend

And that's all I had to say. This story sucks, but let see to what disapointing end this will take us. Till there, I'm out.

He said, and then wrote another huge wall of tl;dr... XD

Y’all cringe at in the comments

I love how polarized people are lol. You can't point out the mistakes a character made or the stupid decisions they made without someone else jumping at your neck for "justifying" the other one's actions

PSA: Saying how bad Nanase was as a girlfriend does not mean you're justifying Yuni's cheating
Saying how stupid Yuni is does not mean you're defending Nanase
Not everything is black and white in life, and especially not in this story lmao