Koga gotta stop being an accidental flirt

Oooooh are we going to see more of those kya kya girls once they learn who the person was?

You seem a little unclear on the meaning of the word "essence." Subtexts and stories whose themes are ambiguous or which can be read in multiple ways are the opposite of "essentially" trans stories.

By this argument, the Matrix isn't a trans story, which is extremely untrue, as confirmed by the creators. Y'know, two trans women

Was it "essentially" a trans story before the creator made the comment?

They are so adorable together.

Koga-san is such an effortless chad, and she doesn’t even know.

Could people STOP comparing this to being trans? No one is dealing with their gender identity.
Someone is confused about SOMEONE ELSE’S and shenanigans happens.

Thank you! Neither Handsome Girl nor this have anything remotely to do with trans issues, even ignoring the fact the author makes this clear.

Just because someone is a "tomboy" does not make them any less feminine or somehow automatically one questioning their gender. That's a gross oversimplification if a very complex issue. The comic is clearly tagged girls love/yuri and is not tagged Trans or LGBTQ+. Let's leave it at that and move on.

They are so adorable together.
Koga-san is such an effortless chad, and she doesn’t even know.

That's why we love them.

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MITSUKI, AYA, YOU USELESS LESBIANS

and so, begins the story arch of the Idiot couple.

I'm expecting every chapter after this to have the idiot couple tag now.

exactly!

also, I feel like Sumiko might use several love songs to put them into uncompromising situations.

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Could people STOP comparing this to being trans? No one is dealing with their gender identity.
Someone is confused about SOMEONE ELSE’S and shenanigans happens.

Thank you! Neither Handsome Girl nor this have anything remotely to do with trans issues, even ignoring the fact the author makes this clear.

Just because someone is a "tomboy" does not make them any less feminine or somehow automatically one questioning their gender. That's a gross oversimplification if a very complex issue. The comic is clearly tagged girls love/yuri and is not tagged LGBTQ+. Let's leave it at that and move on.

yes, there's no indication whatsoever that this is a trans story. the presence of shared thematic elements (i.e. queerness, not conforming to stereotypical appearance/behaviour of your bio sex) doesn't make it one, relatable as it might be

anyway, what a cute and good chapter.

I love Aya's back-of-the-hand almost caress in that next-to-last panel.

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/the_guy_she_was_interested_in_wasnt_a_guy_at_all_ch27#4

I'm more of a lurker on this site, but this chapter gave me the final avatar to use here, bless this chapter

I'm more of a lurker on this site, but this chapter gave me the final avatar to use here, bless this chapter

LOL THE PROFILE PICTURE!
I was going to use it but you beat me to it

jk we are now matching idc

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Being a 4-page manga, pacing is indeed an issue in this story, but I think that sometimes it is justified to just skip and give incomplete answers to the readers since the answers themselves are trivial. We know at the beginning of the chapter that they did not have a full conversation, because if they did, we’d get to see it. The author is simply skipping the boring parts and leaving it for flashbacks and assumptions which, given the format, is ok imo.

You can't seriously say that these answers are trivial.

The story is ignoring all the tension and conflict that had been building up for several chapters. Whatever conversation happened after Mitsuki asked the question would not only contain the answer to the question but also continuations to many other things: the fact that Mitsuki is a girl, the fact she pretended to be a guy, her reasons for doing so, the distance they kept from each other for a bit, why they care, etc. All of this was built up and none of it is resolved, addressed or developed simply by having us assume Aya said "yes".

Besides, even if we could make assumptions that answer all of these questions, why not show it? You came up with your own headcanon about what happened so even if we assume you're 100% right about the events, wouldn't you still want to see them? We've just been denied a major culmination of this story.

Imagine if in The Lion King, the story went from Simba looking uphill to see the wildebeest stampeding toward him to Simba having already left and we only learn through dialogue that Mufasa died and Scar took over.
This is what just happened in this story.

I don't think that's quite fair. Using the same analogy as the Lion King, last chapter was the death of Mufasa, since the most important point is that Mitsuki apologized and put herself out there for their relationship to be fully open now. What we didn't see was Simba pushing at Mufasa's limp body.

But that's a minor point. Your general problem is fair, but it's kind of the nature of this being only 4 pages a week. I think many of us would love this to be longer chapters, whether that be 30 pages or 15 pages, or even 9 pages a week, but that's not what we have. It seems kind of pointless to complain about the basic nature of the comic, and it's an inevitable aspect of this short length per chapter that some of the information will need to be inferred by the reader.

yes i need gay more gay we need gay
they are so cute

i am having heart palpitations!!!

god koga-san is such a hunk

I'm still following this, but I think it's impressive (not in a good way) that this story manages to feel really dragged out while being served only 4 pages at a time... and sometimes said 4 pages don't tell what is happening too clearly.

I want to like it, with cool art and all that, but it keeps falling short for me.

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I'm more of a lurker on this site, but this chapter gave me the final avatar to use here, bless this chapter

LOL THE PROFILE PICTURE!
I was going to use it but you beat me to it

jk we are now matching idc

we can be both thief mitsuki, dw dw, there is plenty for everyone

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Just because someone is a "tomboy" does not make them any less feminine or somehow automatically one questioning their gender.

Which is funny bc at the final ch of that series the Tomboy i dont remember her name XD actually wanted to use a wedding dress too and not suit so yeah not very trans at all

Someone is confused about SOMEONE ELSE’S [gender identity] and shenanigans happens.

This story in a nutshell.

And the statement that it's "essentially a trans story but without actual trans characters" seems like an obvious oxymoron--wouldn't the "essence" of a trans story be . . . the presence of actual trans characters?

Yeah.

There isn’t even anyone to reasonably head canon as such, and it wouldn’t be relevant, anyway.

Just because someone is a "tomboy" does not make them any less feminine or somehow automatically one questioning their gender.

Which is funny bc at the final ch of that series the Tomboy i dont remember her name XD actually wanted to use a wedding dress too and not suit so yeah not very trans at all

Bit of an oversimplification of gender…

Someone is confused about SOMEONE ELSE’S [gender identity] and shenanigans happens.

This story in a nutshell.

And the statement that it's "essentially a trans story but without actual trans characters" seems like an obvious oxymoron--wouldn't the "essence" of a trans story be . . . the presence of actual trans characters?

well no, because sometimes stories use metaphors or allegories or subtext or themes to engage with these subject matter without explicitly referencing them, and this is especially common with explorations of queerness.

This story is pretty grounded and clearly about what is actually happening.

I haven't really read up on the current conversation mind, I have no thoughts on that. But queer themes don't need to be, and are very often NOT, explicit. Especially considering how people treat trans people. I dunno if I personally would call this a trans story but I see nothing wrong with someone taking it that way, right?

By this logic Moby Dick is a trans story if someone wants to read it that way.

Authorial intent does matter. If you need to mangle the story to invent metaphors out of it, then it’s not worth doing.

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Iirc, author said it was a story about teens being troubled about their sexuality, NOT their gender.

There isn't a speck of evidence Mitsuki ever wished to be a guy. She's just not conforming to the standard of girls around her, be it what she wears or what music she likes, but that doesn't make her any less of a girl. People equating "dressing/acting like a guy" with "wanting to be a guy" are trying to erase butch lesbians from existence.

i appreciate Aya confirming without a doubt that Mitsuki is indeed still her crush~

tbf, I use "crush" because that's what Amarrez used in the beginning of the translation, so I kept it.

But in JP, she says "oshi" which is slightly different and hard to translate.

Aaaah so that's how it is! I get it now. I was puzzled by Aya saying "crush" when the story has been trying very hard to avoid going there.
"Oshi" is different of course. Makes sense now. Thanks for de explanation.

Yes. Oshi is different from crush. But those people writing that the manga is now officially yuri, did they fail to understand Kirin-kun's message?

Iirc, author said it was a story about teens being troubled about their sexuality, NOT their gender.

There isn't a speck of evidence Mitsuki ever wished to be a guy. She's just not conforming to the standard of girls around her, be it what she wears or what music she likes, but that doesn't make her any less of a girl. People equating "dressing/acting like a guy" with "wanting to be a guy" are trying to erase butch lesbians from existence.

THATS NOT WHAT I FUCKING MEANT, I NEVER INTENTED TO ERASE ANYONE

god, i shouldve just shut up

i celarly stated that i dont believe its a trans story, yet all of you fuckers twisted my words, for no fucking reason

i hope everyone of you is proud of themselves, cuz now i feel like crying

if this thread learns about butch trans women, he/him lesbians or bio queens it will probably explode

in terms of "oshi", i've usually heard it translated as "fave" but that's in the context of celebrities, and i guess that translation would be kind of an odd word to use for someone you know personally?